GilliamYaeger
M'crazy.
Ouch, Theo took a Sword of the Fallen directly to the soul. Yeah, he's not recovering from THAT anytime soon.
With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
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That's kind of been the running theme throughout the fic.
And not in that moronic "When a good man goes to war" crappy way either.
Grayven wrecks a lot of things and can be pretty unpleasant all the way around. But he's also a lot more...unsure of his actions at times (at least thats how I take it) He does a lot of instant gratification and death things.
Paul on the other hand tends to be rather kind, overly polite, pose with you for a picture....right until he decides you need to go. Then he's full hilt, want the ends, want the means, level of total destruction. Plus, once he gets what he wants, his Orange mindset feedbacks that because he got exactly what he wanted, his actions therefore, must have been perfectly correct. Sure, maaaybe he could have done something different, but in the end...he's happy with it.
That's a hell of a lot more frightening then a big, gray bully-god.
Grayven will kill you sure. Paul will smash your entire race so hard, you never even existed in the first place.
That's why I prefer Paul. It's such a interesting outlook/procession of events.
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Considering how hopeful he is, he literally has a Blue and Orange Morality. Even if it's a relatable one.
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In Paragons timeline the Gods extracted him entirely, not left him in place like unexploded ordnance waiting to go off later.
For shame, Circe! And to think you call yourself a Goddess.
From what I remember Paragon side, Shazam succumbed to baseless paranoia, then betrayed and killed a friend for a crime he did not actually do.
Then, because the seven gods who he treated with to empower Shazam might find out there was a deranged walking WMD that needed to be put down, only to conclude that person was Shazam himself and not Toth, bound his soul from the afterlife.
And then, because of that, the power of those seven gods was used to horrible murder a whole lot of people.
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Shazam isolated himself at the Rock of Eternity, turned it into an Echo Chamber of Me, Myself, and I, 'convinced' himself of nonexistent 'facts' on flimsy evidence, went all Hard Man Making Hard Choices and straight up committed murder, then perverted the cycle of life and death because other people who were not Shazam might find out, disagree (because he was out of his gourd), and do something about it.
I wouldn't exactly call bringing a fucker to justice for Murder and Necromancy Most Foul™ a negative consequence.
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He tends to blindside people that way. Like how Blackfire commented about how she'd thought he was "too soft", until she found out his plans for the Citadelians. He was helpful and polite to her, because he decided she was potentially useful and redeemable. He decided the Citadelians weren't...and blew up their fleet, then dropped their headquarters on their main cloning facility. Quick, efficient and overwhelming.
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I've enjoyed all the subversion of all the old, really annoying comic tropes.
One thing I really can't stand in fiction, and I see it so very much, is the whole...juggernaut villain thing. (Not the character)
You know it. When villains are just these unstoppable forces of nature that plow through everything thrown at them, who never can be defeated until the 11th hour asspull. Who even if they seemed to lose before, they actually still won in the end. The ones who are just so clever that their plans go off without a hitch, and somehow they are just so "intelligent" that they've somehow planned for literally everything, and even if they are somehow found out, they are just so well protected and "intelligent" that the heroes can only stand by impotently.
I enjoy the knowledge that if someone like Luthor pulled any of his normal comic book shit that OL could, and would, just grab him without anyone seeing, haul his ass off to like...Pluto, and then just let him pop. Destroy the remains and fuck you with your uber villain bullshit.
Telling that Paul talked things out, leading Teth to winning his own fight, while Greyven goes in gordian knot style.
Although I am somewhat concerned that Theodore is merely contained rather than obliterated. Seems like a potential weak point.
Pretty sure Greyven was just using his daiklave.
Or rather a mental copy of it.
ThrawnCA
Carbon-based biped
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Yeah, different and much larger magic sword.
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To be fair, IIRC he didn't specifically INTEND to do that, it just happened.
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No, that was the governor. Circe ignored him.
That wasn't the Sword of the Fallen. That was a spiritual representation of Grayven's capacity for violence.
To be fair, we've only heard Adom's version of events.
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Extra space.
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Thank you, corrected.
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Aren't you glad three words is enough to not trigger the "this is probably spam" message?
Prince Charon
Just zis guy, you know?
Is that more or less lethal?
(Yes, I'm mostly joking, as I'm 99% certain that the Sword of the Fallen would be worse, but the spiritual representation of the God of Conquest's capacity for violence is naturally going to be a pretty scary weapon in it's own right.)
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I think so.
Prince Charon
Just zis guy, you know?
I think I've been enjoying the Grayven parts a bit more for a while, now, partly because he's more relatable, and arguably less evil.
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This word in particular is especially true, if the contents of the discussion thread are any indication.
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Constantine's specialty is being full of shit, Blood's specialty is knowing everything there is to know about the occult.
So even disregarding that, as for qualifications, Blood grew his own soul. Merlin made him a soulless simulacrum of a man to be a person shaped can for Etrigran. Some when between 6th century and 21st century he grew a soul from scratch. In NE, in Vertigo he was apparently Merlin's childhood friend, and post flashpoint he was a druid.
As for hiring him, Blood has been hotel California for Etrigan since the 6th century. He wants free of him, or barring that, control over him.
As for keeping quiet, why would he risk getting what he's wanted for 15 centuries?
Blood walked away from his daughter because he was a danger to her.
shepsquared
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He didn't exactly do that on purpose though.
Maybe. You should probably bear Shazam's side of the story before passing judgment. Because as Adom put it, it isn't too hard to see it as him abusing the favour of the gods to set himself up as a tyrant working with other tyrants to conquer more (especially the atlantean queen he was working with, who somehow pulled Atlantis to the surface).
QUESTIONS: Since Teth Adom had divine blessings for centuries, would an imprint or echo of those blessings be part of his soul/spirit? You can't be touched by such potent magic and not be forever changed in some way.
How strong does a God's divinity or "metaphysique" need to need in order to bless or empower someone?
Earthlings awakened into New Gods:
=Grayven [conquest]
=Lynn [conquest? Telepathy?]
=Miss Amane [death?]
=Michael Tawney [tigers? hunting?]
=Zatanna [magic]
=Robin
=Aqualad [water and oceans]
=Kid Flash [speed and motion]
=Celestial Archer [archery]
Am I missing anyone?
Captain Marvel: "SHAZAM!"
Teth Adom: "GLAM!"
Captain Marvel:
"Glam?"Teth Adom: "I am now endowed with the ___ of Grayven, the ___ of Lynn, the speed of Amane, and the ____ of Michael Tawney!"
I am curious what Shazam's account of things is, although it would have to be a heck of a good reason to warrant binding Adom's soul to his corpse for thousands of years (which is both horrifying and a safety hazard given someone could take it and gain the power needed to challenge the mighty Wisconsin National Guard! God, Black Adam was lame in this version.) Also curious what Shazam thinks of the actions of Paragon-verse Adom since being freed who's been... mostly under control?
Thinking about it, maybe it does. OL pointed out that the Light had an advantage over the Justice League in that it was full of mastermind types, not "Face Punchers". But Grayven demonstrated that the Light had the opposite problem; when he went after them outside of Mordru it was a one sided walkover. A superhero/villain-centric setting invites a decapitation strike if your leaders aren't personally powerful.
Circe, the Shade and Teth Adom are all very tough opponents in a fight, besides anything else they bring to the table. A Light composed of people like them wouldn't be a walkover if somebody skips the cannon fodder and goes for the leaders.
Chaoswind
Lord of nonsense
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Well two of Adoms league of super friends ended up being evil, when you take that into account Adom version of events are probably not the whole picture.
If you are Shazam and your chosen champion has become friends with a pair of super villains after refusing being empowered by you (your half demon daughter empowered him instead) then you have to start to wonder if Adom has been subverted into the side of evil.
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Going to have to disagree here.
Back when Adom being freed was the current Arc, someone compared the group Adom gathered back then and what they were doing to what the Justice League does today. If Lex Luthor came to the decision Superman needed to be stopped for the good of the world, and ended up killing him while doing so, I wouldn't really be interested in his reasoning. I'd be pissed he felt entitled to make that decision for everyone else on the planet, because I don't recall anyone electing him Emperor of the World.
Shazam ended up being the Lex Luthor here. If his complaint was they were Tyrants imposing their will on everyone else, and his answer was to go all Tyrant 2: Tyrant harder, I just can't find him a credible witness.
shepsquared
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One the other hand his compatriots included an alien who married into the local royalty (Khufu & Chay-Ara), another alien who believed himself an angel (the Anointed One), and going off the comics and potential time period it could include a berserker who only lived for the thrill of battle (Sela), a shaman who thought nothing of murder and ressurection based on someone is 'good' or not (Manitou Raven), a monk from some pre-aztek civilisation (Tezumak), a literal madman (Whaler), Nabu (who's flaws have been more than covered in this story) and a pair of incredibly powerful sorcerers who cared only for their homeland, one of whom became known as the greatest tyrant in Atlantis' history (Gamemnae and Rama Khan).
Every single one of them fought for Gamemnae as she sought greater power. If that got resolved without the Justice League travelling back in time, Shazam killed and imprisoned a powerful supervillain before something happened to take out the rest.
Adom is far from an unbiased source on this, twisted as he is by his millennia of anger and not knowing the whole story himself. And if Lex Luthor murdered Superman while the entire Justice League was being tricked and/or mind controlled into conquering the Earth for someone, he'd be a hero.
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