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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

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For Circe, this is a huge risk - but it also carries a potentially great reward.
She became too paranoid to interact with others for fear that her youth - or rather, not even her youth but her protection from senility and constant pain - could be taken from her at any moment.

She has certainly become much different over time if she is openly considering giving it up now... But then, this is in many ways her greatest wish - a method to transfer to a non-tortuous life which will not rely upon an external actor's prophesied-temporary aid.
 
Mr Zoat said:
"That power you derive from Hecate would be gone. However-" I tap Mother Box. "-it is within my power to alter the structures of your soul to allow for unlimited growth. I have tested the method, and it works quite well. You would be able to attain godhood through your own labours somewhat more easily than most mortal mages, though clearly you would be weaker in the interim. The important thing-" I lean forwards. "-is that you would no longer be beholden to the prophecy." "Grasp the power that lies before you!"
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Is Motherbox actually willing to do that for him? o_O
 
I like Grayven's approach here. He's establishing himself as being fundamentally different from the key people in her past that screwed her over or left her at their mercy indefinitely. He makes a logical argument as to why she can trust him--that he has nothing to gain by harming her (after all, it's not like she's any interference with his affairs unless he prompts her to leave her own self-imposed isolation, and he gains nothing from hurting her)--and he tells her that she would not be beholden to him. She can refuse the offer now and accept later, if she wants to, and she'll owe him nothing.

And him unhesitatingly sharing with her what his angle is, what he wants most, what he needs, and why he's doing all of this...helps his cause for sure.

I definitely like this side of Grayven--and Paul. How do you win people over? By giving them what they want. Rather than recruiting people through threats/coercion, or appealing to something shallow--like power, influence, or wealth--he drives to the heart of the matter: what do you really want, more than anything else? And why?

I find it amusing, as well, how Paul and Grayven demonstrate just how powerful and influential being the Lord of Gifts makes you, and how they kind of inadvertently show Sauron how he was a total idiot. When you freely (or at least easily) give people of great power/influence/potential something extremely valuable, they are beholden to you--out of gratitude, respect, appreciation, and loyalty. Sauron gave his gifts for a sinister purpose--to assert total control himself afterwards. But Paul and Grayven show that the whole "personally take control over everything" is unnecessary.
 
SaltyWaffles said:
I like Grayven's approach here. He's establishing himself as being fundamentally different from the key people in her past that screwed her over or left her at their mercy indefinitely. He makes a logical argument as to why she can trust him--that he has nothing to gain by harming her (after all, it's not like she's any interference with his affairs unless he prompts her to leave her own self-imposed isolation, and he gains nothing from hurting her)--and he tells her that she would not be beholden to him. She can refuse the offer now and accept later, if she wants to, and she'll owe him nothing.

And him unhesitatingly sharing with her what his angle is, what he wants most, what he needs, and why he's doing all of this...helps his cause for sure.

I definitely like this side of Grayven--and Paul. How do you win people over? By giving them what they want. Rather than recruiting people through threats/coercion, or appealing to something shallow--like power, influence, or wealth--he drives to the heart of the matter: what do you really want, more than anything else? And why?

I find it amusing, as well, how Paul and Grayven demonstrate just how powerful and influential being the Lord of Gifts makes you, and how they kind of inadvertently show Sauron how he was a total idiot. When you freely (or at least easily) give people of great power/influence/potential something extremely valuable, they are beholden to you--out of gratitude, respect, appreciation, and loyalty. Sauron gave his gifts for a sinister purpose--to assert total control himself afterwards. But Paul and Grayven show that the whole "personally take control over everything" is unnecessary.
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There's a reason why "What do you want?" Are very dangerous dangerous words. Why the Shadows use them, and the Vorlons abhor them.
 
IslandHopper said:
There's a reason why "What do you want?" Are very dangerous dangerous words. Why the Shadows use them, and the Vorlons abhor them.
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As if "Who are you" isn't also a question that can cause problems if you get someone to truly think about it at the wrong time.

Edit: Because someone in the wrong state of mind might not react well to realizing who they aren't.
 
I find myself wondering what Captain Comet is up to in the Paragon's universe, and if he'll be making his way to Earth any time in the future. He certainly seems like a powerhouse.
 
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I find myself wondering what Captain Comet is up to in the Paragon's universe, and if he'll be making his way to Earth any time in the future. He certainly seems like a powerhouse.
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Yeah, I'm wondering if Paul will just do the whole step out thing and just show back up on earth, or if he'll bring a grab bag of allies and people he's met on the way.

I know there was that shadowlands associated chick who wanted to check out earth specifically. Off the top of my head I don't know of any others who would be interested in a quick visit.
 
You know, I kind of want one of the nu!Light members to be at least somewhat difficult to deal with just so Lex can snark at Grayven's choice of members too. :p
 
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