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"I'm not stuck in this office working for you, you're stuck in this office working for me!"
With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
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"I'm not stuck in this office working for you, you're stuck in this office working for me!"
Chaoswind
Lord of nonsense
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- Latin America
Guardian clone has been around for over a decade, so Grayven has nothing to worry about.
Empiricist2
Let's play doctor!
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- Baton Rouge
So, does DC US law have some method of defining non-humans as people? The Director lady didn't raise any objection or comment to Grayven employing a tiger, but I would imagine that normal tigers aren't included.
Much more importantly, could Grayven attempt to get a normal tortoise elected? Put a speaker in its mouth, have some G-nome puppet it so that it acts intelligently, then put its name up for election. If it's born on American soil, and old enough, it might qualify legally.
(I was sad to learn that IRL American law does actually define "person" as a member of the human species, so this could not work IRL)
Much more importantly, could Grayven attempt to get a normal tortoise elected? Put a speaker in its mouth, have some G-nome puppet it so that it acts intelligently, then put its name up for election. If it's born on American soil, and old enough, it might qualify legally.
(I was sad to learn that IRL American law does actually define "person" as a member of the human species, so this could not work IRL)
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Wrong reference entirely, but
"Grayven, have you ever fired two guns whilst jumping through the air?"
(probably)
(the small town cop thing'll be good for him, especially if he tries to introduce Americans to British policing)
"Grayven, have you ever fired two guns whilst jumping through the air?"
(probably)
(the small town cop thing'll be good for him, especially if he tries to introduce Americans to British policing)
I dunno, how well while on the edge of danger, weaving around elder god blasts with daredevil steering while FTL jammers, anti-air guns, and an advancing volcano all attempt to keep them from bringing in their perp, can the police chief drive terrifyingly?
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Oh goodness, I didn't know that either. I just looked it up and it specifically calls out Homo sapiens in the text of the law.
More surprisingly, it has actually come up in court in the state of California, where a Dog was stated to be incapable of being culpable of crime because it was not a person.
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Thank you, updated.
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It occurs to me in comics-verse that this would be a very strong reason to avoid classifying people as Homo magi or Homo superior.
Empiricist2
Let's play doctor!
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Well, also because there's no biological basis for the distinction. Unless I'm mistaken, Mutants and Mages produce viable offspring with normal humans, and neither are genetically isolated from normal humans. They seem to both be the result of fairly mundane mutations that somehow result in massive phenotypical changes. If their differences aren't from genes at all, then there is no basis whatsoever to have them be a subspecies of Homo sapiens.
Atlanteans have a case for being genetically isolated, but I believe that their abilities stem from inheritable magic rather than genes.
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They certainly aren't distinct species, but I would argue there's reasonable grounds to label them as a subspecies (Homo sapiens magi / Homo sapiens superior) based on the officially recognized definition of subspecies. After all, the various kinds of tiger are all capable of interbreeding but they're distinct enough to warrant a subspecies classification.
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- Earth Prime
Generally, US law tends to assume the owner is responsible for animals' actions, unless it can be shown the owner took all reasonable precautions and the animal acted out in a way the owner cannot reasonably be expected to have predicted. In any case, it usually ends with the destruction of the animal if the animal caused ANY harm to a human being who wants to press charges.
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Sure, but it was interesting to see it actually go to court with someone trying to explicitly say the animal was legally responsible. That argument got shot down because dogs aren't Homo sapiens and are therefore not natural persons.
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- Earth, 3rd rock from the Sun
This is something that may already be happening. People physically going to Hades and talking with dead people is a thing that has occurred. And charging people with necromancy for doing that did not happen. Going to hell to talk with the Demons or the Damned might be prosecuted as Diabolism. But honestly, ignoring what is going on there is even more wrong. Physical travel sounds more like it would be covered by legislation on foreign travel.
Achilles, Dante, Orpheus, and OL say no.
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I can see that being interesting, yeah. Personally, I would have leaned on the dog being non compos mentis. It isn't capable of understanding what it's done. It not being homo sapiens just denies it protections from the sad fate of being put down if it caused harm to a specimen homo sapiens.
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- Oblivion
That second one isn't very reassuring given the circumstances. :lol
In fact if I was him I would be automatically assuming at this point that any information gained from Farther Box was either A) False or B) Left out important parts so Darkseid could better manipulate and control me.
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Or C) absolutely complete and correct because it furthers Darkseid's will for me to know it.
Of course I suppose that's a special case of B) because the important part left out is "Darkseid wants this to happen".
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- The Outer Plane Of Munchkinry.
That could actually be debated rather nicely; Hell isn't "officially" a institution founded by demons, so it could be argued that it is actually a act of christianism.
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You take that back! Father Box was nothing but helpful!
Self=Darkseid
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<Archangel_Micheal> Look, Hell was a perfectly nice place when we sent Lucifer and the others there. I mean, not as nice as Heaven, but what is? It wasn't any worse than the Earth that mankind inhabits. Man took Earth, and made it better and better over many generations. Hard work, cooperation, learning to love one another enough to use resources well on a macroscopic scale, and just generally being decent. Demons took Hell, and...well, made hell out of it. Lazy, self-righteous, and more interested in hurting others than bettering themselves, they tore everything apart and what building has been done is built on suffering.
So, sure, we "founded" it. We "founded" Earth, too. But I won't take credit for what Man has done to make Earth better. I also won't take blame for what Demons have done to make Hell worse.
The best kind of double-agent is the one that is utterly loyal to the enemy cause...but feeds information to you. Hard to root out, and often becoming so indispensable that even successfully doing so is a blow to those who did it.
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In that sense, "Homo Magi" and Mutants aren't subspecies any more than people with Dwarfism or Albinism are; They're just people with a certain gene or trait passed on genetically. You couldn't even call either of them an ethnic group, given that the former isn't distinct from the general population and latter can come from any part of the population with a dormant X-Gene.
Atlanteans, however, could be classified as a distinct subspecies, but I'd imagine that it would be unwise to do so, given the racial politics from both the surface and underwater worlds.
Well yeah, we know Sphere framed him.
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In DC, the only wizard type ever showed to be genetically different, barring demigods and cambions and the like, is Tim Hunter, the Merlin, embodiment of magic, whose DNA spells out the word magic in the language of the universe. So fortunately for Tim magic in that language is spelled only with four letters- A, C, G, T.
Magic seem to be a spiritual inheritance, as evidenced by Jade, Amethyst, and Obsidian, who all inherited magic from things possessing their fathers.
As for homo superior, they don't even qualify as a subspecies because human subspecies have been mutants. Thanos is an Eternal mutant, there was an atlantean mutant at Xavier's as well.
So taxonomically, mutants are nothing, since there is nothing below subspecies that I'm aware of.
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- The Outer Plane Of Munchkinry.
This is actually rather nicely put, but that was rather a tangent for what i was talking about; i mean that because whether of not it was ever officially stoped being a storage space for demons and started being a independent "nation", for a lack of a better word, it has a interesting enough legal status that it might be able to reopen some cases that people who are of a less then mutualistic motivation would really not want reopened.
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- Earth, 3rd rock from the Sun
Irrelevant.
In this case, I mean Diabolism as the act of trafficking with demons. Religion need not be involved. And even if Hell is part of God Co.™ I don't think that automatically allows Christians to travel there against the wishes of a government.
Relevant real world similar situation. Muslims have a religious obligation to take a pilgrimage to Mecca at least one in their lives if able. Government's still have things like passports, no fly lists, etc. that could prevent you from going there.
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shepsquared
Erratic Aussie
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- Melbourne, Australia
Themyscira has different laws than Atlantis - the priestess of Hades said she could temporarily call upon her deceased sisters if the temple was threatened because Hades allows her to, but that would probably be illegal necromancy in Atlantis.
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