Ganurath
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Let me check.
It seems that-
-almost everyone cares about this, with myself being in the majority in that respect.
With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
- Thread starter Mr Zoat
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Okay, question: I have absolutely no idea what's going on, specifically who Clea is. Is this because I've forgotten some chapters from a while back in the story (reasonable, I read through them really fast and like a year ago), or because this is some random part of comic book lore?
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Queen Clea is the ruler of Venturia, which is one of the Atlantean city-states. In comic lore terms, she's been one of Wonder Woman's enemies since the earliest Wonder Woman comics. In this particular story, Grayven's been dealing with her, since he wants access to Atlantean magic, but his Renegade disposition made it difficult for him to get that kind of thing from more heroic sources.
Forgotten chapters.
But here's a summary!
Atlantis has a number of city-states that make it up. King Orin - Aquaman - is the ruler of all of them, more or less.
That 'more or less' is important, though, because while most of the city-states are happy to give him authority, Queen Clea specifically doesn't like it. She wants to be allied but independent. And Orin's court has mostly successfully been steamrolling her on the issue - in part because she doesn't really have many other allies on this issue, and in part because she's kind of a jerk.
Grayven is helping her out because, essentially, she's willing to do new things so long as she gets to have her independence and traditions.
King Orin would reduce her power, probably increase the personal liberties of the people she rules, and try to absorb them into a broader Atlantean culture.
That's not to say that Orin is against modernization - but he isn't in the sort of weak and slightly desperate position where he's willing to accept Grayven's way of doing things, and he's too tied to the Justice League's status quo to do it on his own. Queen Clea is so very much not tied to the Justice League's status quo that she allied with the Nazis at one point.
EDIT: As said above, in comic book lore she appears as a supervillain. In this story, she's more moderate than that but definitely not on the Justice League side of things.
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Well, not just an a prank.
"Don't you mean running a count-"
"NO!"
I certainly do. The uplift and networking is the part of the story I'm most interested in, regardless of whether it's SI or renegade. In fact, since renegade has made much less progress and is in a worse situation, it's especially interesting.
Fluffy
Destroyer of.......most worlds
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is this more of an outraged "She wants to what?" or more of a slightly confused "She wants to what?".
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I think it's the latter. Orin has been butting heads with the Atlanthean council over the issue of broadening contact with the Surfice World for quite some time, and here goes his political adversary, proposing just the thing he wants... for a favour.
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I'm rather surprised that they have import tariffs. Trade hasn't exactly been much of a thing for them.
The fact that it is Renegade is irrelevant.
The fact that it is Progress! is what makes it worth reading.
The worldbuilding also helps.
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If you shoot Riddler, he'll die. If shoot Tommy or Tuppance...all you've done is annoy them.
He's also completely irrelevant on a global level. Anything Riddler can do, the police could do themselves. If Boomtubes start opening up, parademons pouring out...just what is the Riddler going to do?
Well...Batman IS insane himself.
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I don't. But a big part of that is because Grayven bores the hell out of me. I only find him annoying whenever he interrupts Paul when Paul is being really interesting. You never seem to see Grayven after an episode of Paul playing a video game after all.
As a matter of fact, every time it happens, it makes a Pup very sad.
Look how happy he is. Why must Grayven come and make the Pupper sad?
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lordchaos99
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...What is the police going to do in that scenario?
Riddler has the skills to be the best investigative detective ever, if only he could be rehabilitated.
He was even a relatively successful PI when he rehabbed temporarily despite a Theme Villain past.
Any precinct that gets Detective Riddler assigned will have a substantial spike in arrests and major drop in cold cases. And his prior experience in Theming could let him track Theme Villains immediately, improving catch time for Hero teams allowing them to catch more criminals
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My point was that Riddler vs Terror twins, the Twins can punch higher in situations where the police can't.
lordchaos99
(I have left SV)
Why would you make that dichotomy?
Why not rehab both of them.
Also, we have a lot of Bricks already, we need a SuperDetective that doesn't wear a batclan symbol.
Why not rehab both of them.
Also, we have a lot of Bricks already, we need a SuperDetective that doesn't wear a batclan symbol.
zhuull
SB still lying to protect Racists what else is new
As a general rule of thumb, wherever you feel the need to ask this, the answer is usually "Stop being an asshole."
In other words, yes many of us are quite interested in the political intrigue of Atlantis.
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Because the person I was replying to brought them up?
Secondly, OL hasn't run into the Riddler yet. His only alternative is then to seek Nygma out and...well Paul has better things to be doing. Riddler isn't a person, who on his own, can do an incredible amount of good. Can he be useful? Maybe, he's certainly intelligent. But he's not someone like Teth Adom.
I believe Paul's interest in the Terror's began because either he, or Wonder Woman, or both I guess, were/was the one to arrest them. He probably would not have sought them out. But once brought to his attention, he started his first of a few rehabs.
Same thing with Abra. Paul ran into him at the Tower of Fate.
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That actually could be something FASCINATING to see discussed/debated civilly in-universe- the potential constructive applications of extremely carefully-regulated necromancy, depending on the particulars of how it functions- I.e being able to call the desceased to provide testimony/ respectfully questioning someone,if a summoning doesnt cause metaphysical pain/suffering, the possibilities for historical research....
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zhuull
SB still lying to protect Racists what else is new
Why?
Ptra is very much a victim in this situation no matter how her inheritance works out. Her father was murdered then she was kidnapped and raised to think her mother was "probably" responsible for his death and is a violent crazy.
A good argument could be made that she's basically a royal version of Patti Hearst.
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The SI was the one captured Mr Nigma after he absconded from Belle Reve. He didn't exactly impress.
Because the SI has a finite amout of time and any number of projects he could pursue.
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He was so unimpressive that I completely forgot about that.
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And depite himself, Aquaman will like that because he really really hates politics. If he can solve something in weeks instead of months because Grayven is being blunt and rude he will tolerate it.
And again, Luthor, ego bigger than a planet who is supposed to be only about the Ego and being called that.
Not being friendly with Luthor and Luthor hating Grayven is not a mark against him.
Damian Wayne doesn't have issues, he has suscriptions.
Oh and the fact she killed Damian and replaced him with a clone that was even more messed up?
Being a jackass is awesome.
I read it as Pauldragon.
How come that not even in those canon elseworlds is Paul a dragon?
Paragon Paul is basically running in an alien mindset only he still looks human. Grayven i the most human of the two but also an alien God.
Would the Middle Path Paul be a Dragon?
Like mostly Grayven but ALWAYS using british politeness and sometimes taking a few choices like Paul did.
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This doesn't seem to be the best comparison.A good argument could be made that she's basically a royal version of Patti Hearst.
You Americans have some really messed up shit in your history.Wikipedia article said:
She's more like Theon Greyjoy to me, taken from home as a hostage but having been treated well. And this is presuming her mother really didn't kill the husband.
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Now I'm just wondering what Bizarro Paul would be. I guess he could create...whatever he doesn't want?
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Chaoswind
Lord of nonsense
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You did the sensible thing and skipped renegade segments. They appeared to be little more than what IF omakes at the beginning and only became slightly interesting when Justice Lord Batman makes Grayven do a cross over episode.
The only thing you can do now is either go back and read the renegade parts, or take a break for a week because this is a renegade episode, meaning most of the daily updates belong to his parallel.
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