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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

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Must....fight...it.


Kind of feel for OL here. I wouldn't have expected someone supposedly filled with compassion to seemingly leave a rescuer to die either. But we'll have to wait and see.
 
Buggy said:
Don't Indigos use a staff instead of a ring? Not a rhetorical question, I honestly don't know. I remember that... Indaul? Inaul. had a staff and I don't remember a ring being mentioned, but I don't remember if the absence of a ring was mentioned either.
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Indigos have rings, but they also carry staves as their substitute for lanterns.
 
BrambleThorn said:
Is... OL suddenly an idiot?


Why isn't it supposed to work?


I do not understand this as all. What is keeping his eyes from being healed, and what was the purpose of preventing the healing?


What is the staff helping with?
And what is with the entire 'whole' part of the conversation?


How did he even use the staff or teleport at all at this point? His ring was destroyed (or so he says), and the staff is glowing orange.
Why is he still all indigo. Is the indigo sigil on his forehead a brand like the brands OL can make, but for compassion instead of want?
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Yeah, that whole situation seems like it needs to be clarified there; i sort of feel like the fuzzy bastard was sort of just saying things without even knowing what the conversation was about.
 
Marcus.D.Basterd said:
Yeah, that whole situation seems like it needs to be clarified there; i sort of feel like the fuzzy bastard was sort of just saying things without even knowing what the conversation was about.
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I feel like he was using terms that Paul is not familiar with, so we as readers do not understand them either. It was a rushed situation so he couldn't ask for clarification either. Still reads funny though
 
lefthandturnsign said:
I feel like he was using terms that Paul is not familiar with, so we as readers do not understand them either. It was a rushed situation so he couldn't ask for clarification either. Still reads funny though
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Sure it was, but if it doesn't connect with the context enough it just starts looking like the template of a joke rather then a joke itself.
 
BrambleThorn said:
Is... OL suddenly an idiot?


Why isn't it supposed to work?


I do not understand this as all. What is keeping his eyes from being healed, and what was the purpose of preventing the healing?


What is the staff helping with?
And what is with the entire 'whole' part of the conversation?


How did he even use the staff or teleport at all at this point? His ring was destroyed (or so he says), and the staff is glowing orange.
Why is he still all indigo. Is the indigo sigil on his forehead a brand like the brands OL can make, but for compassion instead of want?
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Not sure what you're talking about in the first bit, since the SI isn't talking. He's walking up to the Beaver to heal him.

The Beaver believes that it isn't possible to heal other people by using the orange light.

The presence of the indigo light seems to be interfering with orange constructs. But he's not actively interfering, it's just a function of what he is.

The 'whole' line is a somewhat cryptic way of saying that the SI doesn't believe in the supremacy of any one emotional light, and that he doesn't want to fight Lanterns of other colors. He's saying this because the Beaver is confused as to why an OL would help an Indigo.

Indigo staffs seem to be able to do more than ordinary personal lanterns can, which apparently includes teleportation. The special power of the indigo light is that it has a limited ability to channel the lights of other colors, which includes recharging. (This is mentioned in the FAQ. Well, not the recharging bit) The staff wasn't converted to orange, it was just set to channel the orange light, so it's still usable for an indigo lantern. We don't have any information about the indigo sigil on his forehead. It might be the equivalent of orange sigil eyes, or it could be a fashion choice.
 
BrambleThorn said:
Is... OL suddenly an idiot?
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No? Not sure why you're asking.

Just to check: you have noticed that those speech marks aren't orange, yes?
Why isn't it supposed to work?

I do not understand this as all. What is keeping his eyes from being healed, and what was the purpose of preventing the healing?
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Based on what the SI knows:
In the comics, Indigo Lanterns were often criminals whose minds were altered by their rings. As such, they might all be called 'penitents'.
The SI does not recognise Ub'x. However, he is still glowing indigo with no ring. Thus, the SI might reasonably assume that he is a willing convert.
'Consumed by avarice' could mean various things. He could have been a crazy Orange Lantern. He could have been a Construct Lantern (though that seems unlikely). Alternately, he could simply have been very avaricious. Since comic Indigos tended to be serious criminals, that would appear to fit.
Why would he be worried about the staff being used against him? That isn't clear. Certainly, a very avaricious individual would be capable of using the orange light, and making Ub'x resistant to it would make sense if that was a worry. That resistance might also make it harder for a friendly Orange Lantern to help, but knowledge of the existence of non-crazy Orange Lanterns isn't widespread yet.
What is the staff helping with?
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The Berrith Alphas.
And what is with the entire 'whole' part of the conversation?
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The idea has come up before.

This, basically.
How did he even use the staff or teleport at all at this point? His ring was destroyed (or so he says), and the staff is glowing orange.
Why is he still all indigo. Is the indigo sigil on his forehead a brand like the brands OL can make, but for compassion instead of want?
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The SI doesn't know.
Buggy said:
Also, maybe I'm a idiot, but why is so much of his speech blue? This is hope. THIS is compassion.
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Because the colour you're using for indigo doesn't show up very well.

This is hope.

This is compassion.
Maxx Crowley said:
Kind of feel for OL here. I wouldn't have expected someone supposedly filled with compassion to seemingly leave a rescuer to die either. But we'll have to wait and see.
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To be fair, three Orange Lanterns had just nailed him to a wall and gouged out his eyes.
 
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ThrawnCA said:
Nylor Truggs?
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I had a very busy weekend and I'm just now getting around to this.

With some rehabilitation this might not be a completely terrible idea.

Breadnaugt said:
Highly advanced Plane of Avarice Teleport.
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Transition works the same way (shunts your physical form into the Plane of Avarice and then dumps you out on the other end), which is why it requires more charge reserve to use it than it actually consumes. Paul has figured out how to transition without using the ring.

Pinklestia said:
Sure the bad people will suffer in hell but in doing so, won't their soul pay for their sins and eventually go to heaven anyway?
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This is explicitly false for Hell 16. That's why OL made such a point about how much better the Greek afterlife was -- "finite punishment for sinners".

Mr Zoat said:
knowledge of the existence of non-crazy Orange Lanterns isn't widespread yet
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To be fair, the existence of non-crazy Orange Lanterns isn't widespread yet either.
 
Coda said:
Transition works the same way (shunts your physical form into the Plane of Avarice and then dumps you out on the other end), which is why it requires more charge reserve to use it than it actually consumes. Paul has figured out how to transition without using the ring.
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Transitioning only transfers most of you to the Plane of Avarice. There's still an observable line in the sky, it isn't all that fast over stellar distances and it's relatively simple to jam. Plus, you're not consciously aware of time passing.

The SI now has a system without those weaknesses.
To be fair, the existence of non-crazy Orange Lanterns isn't widespread yet either.
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True.
 
Mr Zoat said:
Transitioning only transfers most of you to the Plane of Avarice. There's still an observable line in the sky, it isn't all that fast over stellar distances and it's relatively simple to jam. Plus, you're not consciously aware of time passing.

The SI now has a system without those weaknesses.
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Didn't you make jamming so common because combat teleport made the SI OP as hell?
 
frommerman said:
"Nylor Truggs. You left your home, which was ruined by the Reach, because you wanted to save the world from them. I want you to help me fight them, to save every world from them. Take your ring, and welcome to the Orange Lantern Corps."
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That said, OL not including him out of spite could be hilarious. "So, I created a Lantern Corps to fight the Reach. How you and the Light doing?" "...we drew them here on purpose?"
 
Empiricist2 said:
The 'whole' line is a somewhat cryptic way of saying that the SI doesn't believe in the supremacy of any one emotional light, and that he doesn't want to fight Lanterns of other colors. He's saying this because the Beaver is confused as to why an OL would help an Indigo.
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I read that as being an Orange expression of compassion.
 
Mr Zoat said:
Because the colour you're using for indigo doesn't show up very well.

This is hope.

This is compassion.
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Oh, wow. I wish you'd reconsider that. I'm red-green color-blind, and I can't see a difference here at all. The other colors haven't given me this issue so far, and maybe it's unavoidable, but jeeze. Hopefully those particular lights never appear at the same time. A lighter blue going forward might work, but I imagine you want consistency.

At least you're really good at making it clear what's going on via context.
 
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The_Letter_K said:
Oh, wow. I wish you'd reconsider that. I'm red-green color-blind, and I can't see a difference here at all. The other colors haven't given me this issue so far, and maybe it's unavoidable, but jeeze. Hopefully those particular lights never appear at the same time. A lighter blue going forward might work, but I imagine you want consistency.
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You might consider a userscript to detect <span style="color: #3f33cc"> and replace it with something else.
 
frommerman said:
"Nylor Truggs. You left your home, which was ruined by the Reach, because you wanted to save the world from them. I want you to help me fight them, to save every world from them. Take your ring, and welcome to the Orange Lantern Corps."
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Noooooooooooooooooooo

More like. "Nylor Truggs. You left your home, which was ruined by the Reach, because you wanted to save the world from them. However, you're a smarmy, smug little shit. You threatened my life, threatened my friends, threatened that which is mine. You've broken into my home, defied it, and stolen my property. You're a bloody little pounce and have annoyed me far more than you should have. Here, take this rail gun round to the skull and trouble me no more."
 
Maxx Crowley said:
More like. "Nylor Truggs. You left your home, which was ruined by the Reach, because you wanted to save the world from them. However, you're a smarmy, smug little shit. You threatened my life, threatened my friends, threatened that which is mine. You've broken into my home, defied it, and stolen my property. You're a bloody little pounce and have annoyed me far more than you should have. Here, take this rail gun round to the skull and trouble me no more."
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Amusing, but totally out of character. OL is all about rehabilitating villains when possible. He's been shown to have respect for Truggs at some level -- obviously he doesn't LIKE him but he thinks he's "an intelligent and well motivated man."
 
I don't particularly get the infatuation with recruiting villains. Sure, Nylor Truggs may make a decent Lantern to fight the Reach, because he hates them a lot and is fairly resourceful and intelligent. You know who else has that personality set? About a billion other people in the galaxy, and a vast majority of those aren't narcissistic super villains. Similar reasoning applies to most other villains, like Lex Luthor.

The mad science types, including Kalmin, are different because they have skill sets that are actually rather rare, and useful enough to offset the personality problems. Do you think the SI would have bothered recruiting someone who worships the Anti Monitor if he could find a more reasonable person who could do the same job? Would he have spent any time at all on Leonard Snart if there was some other wise ordinary professor in Germany who could make the same type of technology? No, almost certainly not.
 
RichardWhereat said:
Tucker Max levels of lube.
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I don't...exactly know who that is or just how much that is but...well there isn't exactly such a thing as too much.

Coda said:
Amusing, but totally out of character. OL is all about rehabilitating villains when possible. He's been shown to have respect for Truggs at some level -- obviously he doesn't LIKE him but he thinks he's "an intelligent and well motivated man."
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I dunno. OL did seem pretty pissed after Truggs' last little jaunt. Where they broke into OL's home, trashed the place, and stole all his shit. Then monologue at him. Then there is the whole allied with Hell thing. Plus the matter of his stealing of Paul's ring so he could assimilate a person or two.

Frankly...Truggs is utterly unworthy of ringship. Paul would have to be some sort of fool to actually trust the man. Truggs gets a ring and the countdown of when he tries to usurp leadership begins.

I may have missed it but...I haven't gotten respect from OL in regards to Truggs. More like exasperated irritation.

Also, I can't really argue that Truggs isn't motivated, I will question his intelligence. But if we go along that line of thinking then Truggs in an intelligent and well motivated man that has managed to do a sum of good measured in the amount of jack shit. Much like the rest of the Light, perhaps sans Luthor, who HAS done a few good things for Earth, if only for monetary gain.
 
Coda said:
Amusing, but totally out of character. OL is all about rehabilitating villains when possible. He's been shown to have respect for Truggs at some level -- obviously he doesn't LIKE him but he thinks he's "an intelligent and well motivated man."
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He also shows an eager willingness to use techniques that Paul finds morally reprehensible.

An argument could be made regarding Ragnar and Kalmin being similarly 'bad' people. However Truggs will assimilate random people for their knowledge, kill an old lady for no good reason, work willingly with people like Klarion with barely a blip of conscience.

He understands what Kalmin and Ragnar want, and how they operate. It's something like acceptable to a military that is aiming to destroy the reach. Truggs is like a competent Joker in this story. He is not the kind of person Paul want's running about with an orange ring.

And I'm honestly not convinced he really wants to defeat the reach. I feel like that's on his long list well behind 'have fun dicking around in the past'
 
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