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Depends on if you're going to gush about a butcher or not.
Ah yes, I thought the name look familiar. I shall direct you to all my previous posts supporting OL's actions as I've already said everything I feel I needed to.

Besides, OL is an Ophidian, not a Butcher. One is a snake, and one a giant bull-man with a cleaver. A rookie mistake if I ever saw one.
 
Huh, TIL that the Mohawk hairstyle has the name of a different Native American tribe in British English than in American English. Was putting in a citation for a correction and checked the disambiguation page.
 
Ah yes, I thought the name look familiar. I shall direct you to all my previous posts supporting OL's actions as I've already said everything I feel I needed to.

Besides, OL is an Ophidian, not a Butcher. One is a snake, and one a giant bull-man with a cleaver. A rookie mistake if I ever saw one.
I suppose expecting a valid defense would be too much to ask.

OL has something alien and amoral under his thrall. He's also a butcher with the low cunning to get away with it and the lack of basic humanity not to go through with it.
 
I suppose expecting a valid defense would be too much to ask.
We LITERALLY already went through this when it happened. You want to read the argument again, be my guest. But having the exact same argument again strikes me a bit like spam. I could go quote all my messages to YOU from back then, but again, seems like spam.

All I'm seeing here is that, yet again, England is attempting to perfect death ray technology. Silly England...you'll never get enough sun for that.
 
I don't think Paul is a Gary Stu off the fact that he's constantly having to work for most of his current abilities, what he can't scan he has to figure out a work around, and he's still pretty terrible at magic in general by being a less power Constantine before becoming a Lord of Chaos/Order/Harmony/etc.. And chances are while he can take on most of the various villains of the DC universe the question is will Paul actually fight them and is he properly prepared to deal with them?

But it would be funny that one of the Guardians, probably Ganthet since he seems like the most laidback or less strict guardian, that would notice and understand Paul snarky references since one of the links Mr. Zoat posted lead the story of Green Arrow and Green Lantern (Jordan) went on a cross country trip with one the Guardians. And comment that they have more than one Smurffette or none of them have the facial hair to be Papa Smurf, and makes an even more obscure for Paul to look up later since Paul from England and the guardian spent time in America so there's and obvious gap in media at the time.
 
I suppose expecting a valid defense would be too much to ask.

OL has something alien and amoral under his thrall. He's also a butcher with the low cunning to get away with it and the lack of basic humanity not to go through with it.

We LITERALLY already went through this when it happened. You want to read the argument again, be my guest. But having the exact same argument again strikes me a bit like spam. I could go quote all my messages to YOU from back then, but again, seems like spam.
Pretty much this. People responding "asked and answered" with reference to where you can find the older askings and answers does not constitute a failure to give reasoned response, unless you go and read the answers and can point out how they fall short in ways that have not already been hashed to death.

Pretending that bringing up an old argument with nothing new (even the snide being stale) constitutes a point people need give credence just because you brought it up again is, at the most generous reading, bull-headed folly.
 
I think Paul seems like a Marty Stu because he's a progressive protagonist in an episodic setting, but without the attendant stupidity to charge into situations he's not prepared for.

Part of the fun of running a SI is that you can take those tropes that only exist to keep the story running, whether or not a person would actually fall for them, and say "fuck those in particular".
 
The site rules don't appear to define 'spoiler', so I doubt that mentioning the name of a character who has been trailered for months is of any significance.

Forum PTSD?

@Mr Zoat Paul remembers about Jaime bonding with blue bettle in the comics and not being one of the bad guys, shouldn't that make him reconsider Kajit destruction (i like the little dude)? It wouldn't be the first time ancient earth people manage to subvert alien equipment that was being used against them only for the equipment to land later on the hands of a hero (Alan), also i wonder if you could use Adom in that part as he is giving ISIS empowerment to that woman he loves and as far i remember ISIS was the one that cleansed the original ancient blue bettle.

Second if Earth is the fifth world, and new genesis/apocalypse are the split fourth, and all the worlds are the resting place of the life entity does that mean the first is Maltus?


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Lets be honest for a second here, Paul is a munchkin on a setting known for sub optimization for the sake of plot and editorial mandatory grimderpness, of course he is going to look like a Gary Stu by comparison, but that is part of the appeal of the fic, many of the readers don't know about the things that happened in the comics or consider them silly and retarded, thus we are hardly bothered when Paul gets the easy win against that he should be getting an easy win from be them baseline humans with standard weapons or experienced green lanterns.

Remember that at this point Paul is pretty much a super orange lantern that could take on entire fleets of warships and win, the only reason he didn't stomp Kilowog is because he didn't want to stomp him and only the other super lanterns and the Maltusians are a real threat when he fights seriously.
 
You know... For a minute there? I genuinely forgot about the events that led to my coming here.
@Mr Zoat Paul remembers about Jaime bonding with blue beetle in the comics and not being one of the bad guys, shouldn't that make him reconsider Kajit destruction (i like the little dude)?
When comic memories appear to be contradicted by in-universe learning, in-universe learning wins out.
It wouldn't be the first time ancient earth people manage to subvert alien equipment that was being used against them only for the equipment to land later on the hands of a hero (Alan), also i wonder if you could use Adom in that part as he is giving ISIS empowerment to that woman he loves and as far i remember ISIS was the one that cleansed the original ancient blue beetle.
Isis. ISIS is the terrorist group, Isis is the goddess.

At the moment I don't think anyone in the setting knows how the blue Scarab got scrambled. If Ms Tomas actually goes through with it then she might remember, but the SI wouldn't have any particular reason to draw it to her attention.
Second if Earth is the fifth world, and new genesis/apocalypse are the split fourth, and all the worlds are the resting place of the life entity does that mean the first is Maltus?
Not necessarily.
Remember that at this point Paul is pretty much a super orange lantern that could take on entire fleets of warships and win, the only reason he didn't stomp Kilowog is because he didn't want to stomp him and only the other super lanterns and the Maltusians are a real threat when he fights seriously.
Kilowog isn't all that creative, but he is powerful. Given that the SI isn't especially motivated, he needed to avoid the confrontation turning into a slugging match.
 
Pretty much this. People responding "asked and answered" with reference to where you can find the older askings and answers does not constitute a failure to give reasoned response, unless you go and read the answers and can point out how they fall short in ways that have not already been hashed to death.

Pretending that bringing up an old argument with nothing new (even the snide being stale) constitutes a point people need give credence just because you brought it up again is, at the most generous reading, bull-headed folly.
There was nothing credible said by anyone in OL's defense last time that would have explained away cold-blooded, blatantly unnecessary mass murder...so trying to hide behind that previous failure doesn't actually work as a reply.

OL's still the same butcher with good publicity he was the last time that no workable arguments in his defense were presented.
 
Isis. ISIS is the terrorist group, Isis is the goddess.

At the moment I don't think anyone in the setting knows how the blue Scarab got scrambled. If Ms Tomas actually goes through with it then she might remember, but the SI wouldn't have any particular reason to draw it to her attention.


I thought Paul visiting Adom and talking about his extra solar exploits could count, if Kajit was cleansed by Isis then it was among the first missions he did as a champion (when she was alive), all you need is Paul mentioning the infiltration scarabs as standard Reach infiltration procedures and then Adom remembering that time Isis felt the trapped soul struggling inside Kajit and how she cleansed it and the scarab ended up serving as a true hero of not Egypt for a while, until the scarab was lost during battle or something.

Heck the ancient hero could have given it up when Isis was Murdered.
 
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There was nothing credible said by anyone in OL's defense last time that would have explained away cold-blooded, blatantly unnecessary mass murder...so trying to hide behind that previous failure doesn't actually work as a reply.

OL's still the same butcher with good publicity he was the last time that no workable arguments in his defense were presented.
By which of course you mean nothing that you would accept.

I mean, I'm sure that you're the high lord god of fictional morality and all, but all in all? You're kind of a cranky ass. Based upon your reaction and adamant declarations I can only assume that I'm supposed to hop on a plane, jet across the pond, hold up Zoat's avatar to one of those dudes in the big hats, and when I arrive at the destination pointed like...suplex Zoat on his head a dozen or so times.

Beyond that, rather than rehash the same crap I already said. I'd ask what is your point? I mean your point in whining about said event again and again, and AGAIN? I mean what are we supposed to do? "Well fuck, Ugolino isn't happy. Okay guys! Pack it in! Time to go read stuff Ugolino approves of!"

Stepping out of fiction land finally. It's a story. It's FICTION. Climb down off the cross, use the wood to build a bridge, and GET OVER IT.
 
There was nothing credible said by anyone in OL's defense last time that would have explained away cold-blooded, blatantly unnecessary mass murder...so trying to hide behind that previous failure doesn't actually work as a reply.

OL's still the same butcher with good publicity he was the last time that no workable arguments in his defense were presented.

At the risk of agreeing with Maxx (*shudder*), he's right. In that little debate I was apparently on your side (*second shudder* is it cold in here or something?) but that little debate is over. He said his piece, you said yours, I said mine, everyone else said everyone else's. Everyone who would be convinced either way has been. All that's left is to agree to disagree and please, please, please, please, drop it.


... I was out. I hadn't listened to that in weeks. But just when I get out THEY PULL ME BACK IN!
 
Generally speaking, why does there even need to be one?
Well, there doesn't? I know I'm quite happy with the current state of affairs. That's simply an observation, but going by the squawking in response to said observation, there seems to be a desire for a rebuttal without one actually being made.

By which of course you mean nothing that you would accept.

I mean, I'm sure that you're the high lord god of fictional morality and all, but all in all? You're kind of a cranky ass. Based upon your reaction and adamant declarations I can only assume that I'm supposed to hop on a plane, jet across the pond, hold up Zoat's avatar to one of those dudes in the big hats, and when I arrive at the destination pointed like...suplex Zoat on his head a dozen or so times.

Beyond that, rather than rehash the same crap I already said. I'd ask what is your point? I mean your point in whining about said event again and again, and AGAIN? I mean what are we supposed to do? "Well fuck, Ugolino isn't happy. Okay guys! Pack it in! Time to go read stuff Ugolino approves of!"

Stepping out of fiction land finally. It's a story. It's FICTION. Climb down off the cross, use the wood to build a bridge, and GET OVER IT.
You seem to be laboring under various misconceptions without actually getting to a point, but I think my favorite has to be telling someone to "get over it" for commenting about a story...while being a reader and commentator on said story.

I'm happy to read about Paul's continued misadventures and see where Zoat takes him, while at the same time considering both takes on him morally on par with the usual sort of detritus superheroes are supposed to sweep up. I can entirely enjoy WTR while considering a theoretical ending with Paul's ignominious death or defeat to be a happy one, and I'm not sure why you're so clearly upset by that perspective.

I'm quite happy to enjoy WTR, and I'm sorry you apparently are having problems doing so going by the wall of text you've posted. I hope you can find a way to enjoy fiction again rather than getting over it.
 
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At the risk of agreeing with Maxx
Oi! What'd I ever do to you? :lol

You seem to be laboring under various misconceptions without actually getting to a point, but I think my favorite has to be telling someone to "get over it" for commenting about a story...while being a reader and commentator on said story.

I'm happy to read about Paul's continued misadventures and see where Zoat takes him, while at the same time considering both takes on him morally on par with the usual sort of detritus superheroes are supposed to sweep up. I can entirely enjoy WTR while considering a theoretical ending with Paul's ignominious death or defeat to be a happy one, and I'm not sure why you're so clearly upset by that perspective.

I'm quite happy to enjoy WTR, and I'm sorry you apparently are having problems doing so going by the wall of text you've posted. I hope you can find a way to enjoy fiction again rather than getting over it.
Ok. Well you enjoy your little superiority games then. I should have guessed.


ANYWAY. On to actually interesting topics.

So did OL use his ring to manipulate the gut matter? Or is this an ability he naturally has now? I'm rather interested in how the rest of the team might have grown now that I think about it. Always a nice thing about time skips. The crew meeting up and showing their new talents.

Unless it's Naruto. Then it just sucks more.
 
You seem to be laboring under various misconceptions without actually getting to a point, but I think my favorite has to be telling someone to "get over it" for commenting about a story...while being a reader and commentator on said story.
My favorite misconception in this is your bizarre insistence that Citadelians are sophonts rather than wetware VIs.
 
My favorite misconception in this is your bizarre insistence that Citadelians are sophonts rather than wetware VIs.

Not to continue this argument because perhaps my memory is faulty, but if they were just VIs, then Paul's whole "give them a decision" thing at the end before he gunned them down was pointless.

I thought they were more along the lines of Kaminoan clones than just mass-producing advanced Siri's piloting meatbags. I don't think they were as advanced as the CW clones, but like, how advanced do they have to be to be considered sophonts?
 
Not to continue this argument because perhaps my memory is faulty, but if they were just VIs, then Paul's whole "give them a decision" thing at the end before he gunned them down was pointless.
A VI with a defective murder-boner has functional value to a third party client that would normally be a subject of interest for the aforementioned murder-boner. The "give them a decision" thing was a means of identifying these outliers and eliminating the baseline units in the same process.
 
Not to continue this argument because perhaps my memory is faulty, but if they were just VIs, then Paul's whole "give them a decision" thing at the end before he gunned them down was pointless.

I thought they were more along the lines of Kaminoan clones than just mass-producing advanced Siri's piloting meatbags. I don't think they were as advanced as the CW clones, but like, how advanced do they have to be to be considered sophonts?

Think of it like the Geth. At the start, they definitely weren't. By the end, they definitely were. Somewhere in between those two states you would have had various amalgamations of runtimes that qualified, and others that didn't, and a very fuzzy grey area between the two.
 
A VI with a defective murder-boner has functional value to a third party client that would normally be a subject of interest for the aforementioned murder-boner. The "give them a decision" thing was a means of identifying these outliers and eliminating the baseline units in the same process.

All of the following is hypothetical, of course, but I wonder, sometimes, if the more moral thing to do would be to set them up with no space age infrastructure on some remote world, frequently visit them after studying their physiology, and then see what can be done to modify their brains to not have murder boner tendencies. If it requires direct modification, that is.

If it can't be done with an orange ring or by Paul himself, then maybe leave them isolated for a while until he can jumpstart the blue light or the indigo light and get those lights involved in the action. The healing hax of blue light is ridiculous, and while genetic modification might not be something explicitly possible to do under the blue light, it's at least speculatively possible. At the very least, some form of genetic modification technology could be attempted, and then maybe blue light could be used to fill in the cracks or remove any potential side effects. Themiscyra's purple healing ray may be useful for this purpose too.

The indigo light might be the fastest way. While they tend to have other moral issues, their rehab program may be enough to force their psyches to feel compassion. Would that be enough to save them from their nature, even after exposure to indigo light is removed? Unclear. But I'm imagining that at least some success might be possible, and perhaps arguably more successful at keeping some or them alive and sane later than Paul's situation solved.

Paul is limited by how much he cares, and I'm sure that he doesn't really care about their fate. It was a more expedient solution. But if he cared more about the thing, then I could see a lot of interesting outcomes. Instead, we get "justifiable" genocide.
 
If nothing else nice to see that Kilowog took being put in medical facility well.

His response is to basically swearing to find a find to combat Paul's trick and once he knows he will teach it to other lanters thus improving Corps as a whole.

Also love how Paul complained about how the Greenies already have a guy that trains people by subjecting them to their fears and in the past when he suggested it Hal got upset about it.
 
His response is to basically swearing to find a find to combat Paul's trick and once he knows he will teach it to other lanters thus improving Corps as a whole.
That's pretty much the attitude you have to have in martial arts. Someone beats you, or hits you with a technique that you don't understand, and you get all pissy. Just singles you out as unworthy. You hear a lot of "That's cheating." Or "That's not real fighting." from such a crowd.

We had a guy who would come into the my judo club. Claimed to be a boxer. Oh he'd talk the whole time about how great he was, and how he couldn't get on the mats because he'd just kill all of us. Finally he came in...about 4 seconds later he gets taken down and starts screaming, and I do mean SCREAMING, "Get the fuck off me!!"

Was the damndest thing I'd ever witnessed.
 
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