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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

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I think people are to used to Paul dealing with reasonable people, lanterns, and lantern candidates. Now that there is someone who doesn't plan out every little action is pissing them off or ruining their expectations that every possible orange lantern is going to be like Paul or similar, and at the very least he isn't like Grayven who kind of spiraled out of control until reality decided it had enough of his shit and made a variety of his choices comeback and screw him over.

I like that there someone who is very proactive even if he isn't as competent as Paul, especially if at the end of the episode he learns to be a bit more methodical in his planning and execution of dealing with other who can and will kill you regardless of what kind of power or skill you have at your disposal. Imagine him being a bit hot headed like Guy or Jordan but wants to be great like Sinestro with Paul there to help guide him to better harness his avarice, especially since he's likely to fight on the front lines against the Reach.
 
LazySloth13 said:
I think people are to used to Paul dealing with reasonable people, lanterns, and lantern candidates. Now that there is someone who doesn't plan out every little action is pissing them off or ruining their expectations that every possible orange lantern is going to be like Paul or similar, and at the very least he isn't like Grayven who kind of spiraled out of control until reality decided it had enough of his shit and made a variety of his choices comeback and screw him over.

I like that there someone who is very proactive even if he isn't as competent as Paul, especially if at the end of the episode he learns to be a bit more methodical in his planning and execution of dealing with other who can and will kill you regardless of what kind of power or skill you have at your disposal. Imagine him being a bit hot headed like Guy or Jordan but wants to be great like Sinestro with Paul there to help guide him to better harness his avarice, especially since he's likely to fight on the front lines against the Reach.
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I suppose there is a point there. But for me it is less "Doesn't plan out every little action" and more....hard to explain but, Ragnar's such a....comic book character. In a bad way. After Zoat has already spent I don't know how many pages crafting a world and setting where that shit just doesn't fly

Also, because I've had to train, or work with, people like Ragnar before. Or at least who act as single minded as he has been. I also can't see him even remotely being worthy of a ring.
 
Maxx Crowley said:
And I'll hold firm to the idea that keeping raging fuck ups in my organization just because I'm not sure when I might find someone better is monstrously stupid. Your idea sounds a whole lot like the old "Hey, this guy is incompetent. Do we fire him?" "Nah, that'll cause an issue. Lets just promote him." Again, trillions and trillions and TRILLIONS of lifeforms exist in the universe. Ragnar is neither important, nor special.
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"Keep your friends close and your enemies closer." This isn't saying to promote the incompetent guy; this is saying to keep the screwup guy around where you can minimize and/or mitigate the damage he can do. He has the potential to become more useful if he can get some training through his skull, but even if he doesn't we don't want to cut him loose and have him turn into an antagonist.
 
Coda said:
"Keep your friends close and your enemies closer." This isn't saying to promote the incompetent guy; this is saying to keep the screwup guy around where you can minimize and/or mitigate the damage he can do. He has the potential to become more useful if he can get some training through his skull, but even if he doesn't we don't want to cut him loose and have him turn into an antagonist.
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Then snap his neck and be done with it. Everything else is a waste of valuable time.
 
Coda said:
That works for a red lantern, as you say, but OL doesn't believe incompetence is a capital crime.

I mean, seriously, not doing that is on the Evil Overlord's List for a reason.
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Yeah, killing people for incompetence builds a certain rep I don't think OL wants, and I don't think Guy would go along with it anyway.
 
Coda said:
That works for a red lantern, as you say, but OL doesn't believe incompetence is a capital crime.

I mean, seriously, not doing that is on the Evil Overlord's List for a reason.
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Not for incompetence.

You said I had to keep him around, and babysit him until he became a worthwhile lantern, or risk him becoming a villain if I booted him and it is for choice number two that I suggest snapping his neck. Otherwise just kick him back to his planet. Because choice one? That reminds me of nearly every person of authority on The Wire.
 
"You want to what?"
"Well, Ragnar is too reckless to keep around. But I can't just take his ring, that's a villain origin story in the making! The only choice left is to kill him."
"So you want to kill him... because he might, at some point in the future, become a villain?"
"Yes..."
"I seem to remember when a certain orange someone came around, asking to buy a lantern off a retired superhero."
"That's not-"
"And at the time, we all thought for sure he was gonna turn out to be a baddie. So are you saying, we should've killed him?"
"Well..."
Guy's eyes start glowing green, and he forms a giant green fist.
"We hope that your answer is not a 'yes'."
 
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"You want to what?"
"Well, Ragnar is too reckless to keep around. But I can't just take his ring, that's a villain origin story in the making! The only choice left is to kill him."
"So you want to kill him... because he might, at some point in the future, become a villain?"
"Yes..."
"I seem to remember when a certain orange someone came around, asking to buy a lantern off a retired superhero."
"That's not-"
"And at the time, we all thought for sure he was gonna turn out to be a baddie. So are you saying, we should've killed him?"
"Well..."
Guy's eyes start glowing green, and he forms a giant green fist.
"We hope that your answer is not a 'yes'."
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"Cute. We hope that that green fist is sour apple. Because we're gonna make you eat it."

Besides, not my first choice. I'd just send him home because I'm certainly not going to babysit someone in my organization to "minimize the damage they can do" But...
Coda said:
but even if he doesn't we don't want to cut him loose and have him turn into an antagonist.
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So if he's THAT much of a risk. Then I'll eliminate the risk.

I'm not keeping him, so he goes home. If you want to make a point that he'll turn evil if I do then it's snap crackle pop time.
 
Crimson Doom said:
Am I the only one thinking that if Ragnar actually had a plan, his complete failure to communicate it is stupid as all get out?
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Exactly. A perfectly valid reaction from the SI seeing a rookie seeming to be impulsive and putting himself in danger would be to blow cover immediately to prevent him from dying to a sword he has no ability to block.

Really, even if Ragnar intended for these exact events to have occurred, picking that fight immediately didn't further their goals over scouting and gathering information for an hour or so and then starting a fight.
Maxx Crowley said:
I can only dream, that one day, I too can be quoted in a signature. *wipes tear*
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Well then I have some good news for you.
 
Empiricist2 said:
Exactly. A perfectly valid reaction from the SI seeing a rookie seeming to be impulsive and putting himself in danger would be to blow cover immediately to prevent him from dying to a sword he has no ability to block.
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I should point out that their cover is not technically blown at this point. The Qwardians have no idea that they're Lanterns.
 
Mr Zoat said:
I should point out that their cover is not technically blown at this point. The Qwardians have no idea that they're Lanterns.
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Ah, may not have been clear. I'm saying that a possible reaction the SI may have had to seeing his newest recruit charge in head first at a Thunderer would be to take out his ring and lethally subdue said Thunderer and all his friends. Because the price of losing a rookie is more important than blowing stealth.
 
I wouldn't say Paul would immediately break cover if one of his teammates, or potential lantern, was injured unless there was no other option and stealth had already been lost. He has been doing black op mission for about a year on Earth, many of which revolved around dealing with the machination of murderous super villains, and he has done some undercover work such as when impersonating Bialayan soldiers to save the president of Qurac's daughter. Plus his experience as a combat medic, or a healer in general, means he could resore Ragnar's arm either during combat or at least heal it enough when he can properly concentrate long enough to avoid any errors.

Plus it's likely that once they can get as close as possible to proper Qward then it's likely they'll shed their disguises and start using their rings.
 
Mr Zoat said:
a local caterers
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a local caterer

Mr Zoat said:
a few time
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a few times

Mr Zoat said:
him dangling at one removed from my construct bindings
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This doesn't seem right, but I'm not sure what's intended.

Mr Zoat said:
give them all quick wave
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give them all a quick wave

Mr Zoat said:
more vines explodes
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more vines explode
 
sockmonkey said:
Yeah, Australia is pretty odd.
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Because it's nearly the size of the USA, but most of the interior is desert so it has less than 10% of the population? Doesn't seem all that odd.

Different set of native wildlife to most places, yes, but again: mostly desert.

Culturally, just remember that it was originally settled with the British poorest of the poor and it makes sense.
 
ThrawnCA said:
"Criminals" and "poorest of the poor" have a pretty big overlap for that point in Britain's history. Many of the offences were along the lines of "stole a loaf of bread."
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I mean, the country as a whole was in a pretty rough state financially. The whole reason they were exiling people to Australia is BECAUSE they couldn't afford to house them in local prisons.
 
Coda said:
I mean, the country as a whole was in a pretty rough state financially. The whole reason they were exiling people to Australia is BECAUSE they couldn't afford to house them in local prisons.
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Turns out that jailing and mistreating the poor causes issues fora country. This isn't a politics thread, so that's all I'll say....

So, Ragnar's down an arm and is going against a better fighter with worse weapons. My bet is that they let him get his ass kicked until either he puts on his ring, or is about to be killed. So, next update is the commander "winning," until the cliffhanger where he realizes just how much trouble he's in.
 
EmperorArthur said:
Yeah, but they're under guard. So at the least they're going to have to fight a few guys, even if they run.
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On the other hand, I think that having three Lanterns effectively just appear without warning in front of them isn't going to be a very good tactical situation for the Thunderers.

Reminds me of the animated episode where the supervillainess Inque took a "bystander" hostage who turned out to be Superman in civvies. Whoops.
 
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