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Tell that to the Qwardians.
Which rhymes with Guardians for no reason at all.
With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
- Thread starter Mr Zoat
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Tell that to the Qwardians.
Which rhymes with Guardians for no reason at all.
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I'm actually disappointed that Ragnar didn't just get killed. I would have liked to see him flat out lose.
After this BS? Why would he deserve one?
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To quote one of my current favourite shows, "He can certainly try."
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Zoat name dropped the Syndicate Rules storyline, and that one delved into the antimatter society, human not Qwardian but perhaps it applies there as well.
Namely, that the basis of society is favors owed. You pay out, period.
So it's society by the Godfather.
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Er, because he's proven himself to be a more than competent fighter without a power ring? Against an opponent that had better equipment and likely more training than he did? He obviously needs some training in self-restraint and avoiding unnecessary fights but why would you throw away a potentially useful recruit whose already shown he can use the ring without losing his mind?
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No, he's shown himself to be a single minded battle hungry moron who just got himself mangled and drew attention that I myself, would not want. In addition to causing us to get captured which (Unless that was what OL wanted) is going to force me to use resources and abilities that I might not want to use around fucking QWARDIANS to get free.
Why would I throw away this (In my opinion) failure of a recruit? Well, other than the failure part, he has also made the tragic recruitment mistake of pissing me off. Finally, there are trillions and trillions of lifeforms in the universe. I can find another, better recruit easily.
So Ragnar the dunce gets kicked out of the Red Lantern corps (I can't claim to be Orange) minus one arm and plus the ass kicking I'd give him just for pulling this shit.
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Are you referring to Hope Paul? Because that one has a major difference. Ultraman would have the Quardian commander killed for what he just did. Reneging on a deal that's offered to everyone who steps on planet is just bad business. Doing so by killing plenty of paying customers is brain dead stupid. It's a case of either the commander overstepped his authority, or these situations are rare enough that they can cover them up.
Mr Zoat mentioned that he's toning down their evil to something that allows a functional society, like he did the Syndicate.
The commander was pissed that Ragnar managed to put up a good fight, much less won. It's probably vanishingly rare that something like this happens. This was supposed to be a one-sided stomp to show off Qwardian badassery, not a real fight.
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I have to wonder how often that ring even gets challengers given that the Thunderers (on paper) have an undefeated record.
I have to imagine the payouts are real good on paper both for the competitor and gamblers. It's just most of the time the equivalent of thinking the Generals are due to beat the Globetrotters any day now.
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You know, the really funny part is no matter how much we argue about if the commander was authorized to nuke the area or not, the Quardian's really f***ed up by snatching those three. Even discounting the avatars, Paul and Guy are fully capable of taking on the planet. The plan just involved recon first.
Well OL did want to infiltrate the Qwardian's underground city. as stated several chapters back
The Qwardian officer is unknowingly bringing 2 experienced and capable Lanterns (and Ragnar) past their primary defences, one of whom is quite capable lethal measures.
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Error in multiquoting. My apologies.
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Thank you, corrected.
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If that's the case then you would expect the Thunderers to sandbag in the arena at least a LITTLE from time to time. Not enough to show any serious weakness, but if you want to look strong then you want to play up how strong the things you're beating down are so that the fact that you defeated them is more impressive.
Empiricist2
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Mostly this:
To add on: Ragnar has shown himself to be a competent sword fighter, and at least decent in maintaining mental stability while wearing the orange ring. But impulsiveness, putting short term reward at the expense of the mission or other larger objectives, is quite a big problem with an orange ring. I'm also unsure how well the skills involved in sword fighting would translate to Lantern combat, and my first response would be "not very well". Everything else being equal, I'd prefer to recruit people used to ranged weapons, fighting in 3 dimensions, and experience in small group tactics over someone mechanically skilled with melee weapons and used to a dueling environment. Some skills would be relevant, such as situational awareness and using an environment to your advantage, but a lot wouldn't.
I'm not advocating for taking Ragnar's ring away, and I think he could make a good Lantern if some sense is shoved into his head, I don't think the SI should recruit similar people in the future. Skills can be trained, personality flaws are much harder to correct.
No, they're not. The GLC sends disgraced veterans there to die in battle, and it was mentioned that it's surprising that Sinestro managed to both survive and get something out of the whole ordeal. Unless Guy and Paul are both the best Lantern fighters to ever exist, there is no chance of them being a meaningful threat to the entire planet. The SI didn't think he could solo the Gordanian fleet, and the Gordanians are not that advanced compared to the only other species capable of making power rings.
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Really they've already accomplished the hardest part. Which is get to the planet without being blown to pieces. Can they take them all on? Probably not. Could Paul singularity the planet? Probably, but Guy wouldn't let him.
Do I really think they're going to fight the whole planet? Not really. Fighting should always be the last resort. Not because diplomacy is better or anything like that, but because destroying lighly defended infrastructure is always the better option. Remember, asymmetric warfare is your friend.
Well, Paul IS the best Orange Lantern fighter to ever exist. And he's unscryable. And has lots of ways of being invisible and undetectable. And can brand / assimilate people / beings. And has an exponentially growing demon horde. Assuming he can last a day or so of active combat, he most likely could take the planet.
Assuming they can get away and aren't found instantly, a combination of exponentially growing demonic hordes, branded thunderers, etc might carry the day.
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While I think it's obvious that I'm not going to change your mind I think you're looking at it the wrong way. While yes, he has shown himself willing to throw himself into fights without thinking that's something that can be trained out of him. How he acted once in that fight is more important to me. During the time that Paul was busy getting to the level of the arena with the Qwardians Ragnar obviously realized that his opponent had better equipment that he did and was adept in using said equipment. Faced with those facts he kept his head both literally and metaphorically, worked out how to deal with his foe's advantages, looked for chances to strike, and then took advantage of one in a big way.
What's important to me is that he showed he's 1) capable of keeping a clear head in the midst of combat, 2) capable of adapting to battlefield situations that are very much not in his favor, and 3) he knows how to create/capitalize on weaknesses shown by his enemy. Those all seem pretty useful for a lantern corps that's being made to pick fights with the Reach.
I think adding in his loss of an arm as some sort of failure of his is reaching a bit; if he'd known about the Qwardians' apparently homicidal reaction to people touching their weapons he likely wouldn't have even grabbed the sword. Because he didn't know about that, because no one bothered to tell him, he did as he would likely do in the fights back on his home planet—kill the enemy, claim a prize, and then mug for the crowd. Also, what? Was he supposed to realize that the Qwardian captain was gonna flip his shit and attack him from left field?
I also think that saying that he's forcing OL to show more than he intended to the Qwardians is a bit silly since his plan is apparently to just start blowing shit up on Qward soon anyway.
Finally, the idea that because there are trillions of people in the universe you can just throw away ring capable candidates seems a bit odd; like sure he can use his memory of the DCU to try to poach folks who might be a fit or go through the ranks of the Controllers' forces for the same but there's no guarantee that they'd actually work—he can make his best (empathy vision enhanced) guess as to whether one person or not will actually be able to use it but it's still a guess.
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Well obviously they'd need to flee to somewhere the Thunderers would never follow.
ThrawnCA
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TheLastOne
Person of impeccable tastes (for destruction)
You know for a species that's supposed to be the evil mirror of the Guardians, I think there may be more non-evil Qwardians then Guardians.
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His WILLFUL STUPIDITY also got a large number of bystanders "collateral damage-d" >.<
Look, he's a great WARRIOR, but a shitty soldier-
No Disscipline or judgement.
I genuinely question how he survived long enough to find the bloody ring, let alone survive his childhood with this complete and utter lack of impulse control!
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