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Paragon Dox will stick around. I suspect Renegade Dox will eventually decide to move on to other pastures (quite likely with a chunk of Grayven's force choosing to leave with Dox)
 
1) Light alignment thing Maltusians do seems vaguely related to Lord-of-X ascension, but the latter might be usable for any species, essentially potentially allowing one to bypass the need for lanterns completely, giving "younger races" inherent glow manipulation abilities, turning lanterns into Lords-of-Color-X, and living lanterns. That could be a big upgrade for, say, OL honor guard. Hell, potentially it could even be an upgrade for Maltusians themselves.

Not even close to being similar, Zoat is going with the midiclorians explanation of Maltusian abilities coming from symbionts native to Maltus.

And if they were interested in giving out abilities to other races they've had about 10 billion years to genetically alter some symbionts so they can take new hosts.

DC, probably forgetting about symbionts five minutes after the story was written, has had non Maltusian guardians as a thing.

Stewart, going completely mad/enlightened, ate his ring and was declared a guardian in Mosaic.

Krona, sharing the majority opinion that the Guardians suck, planned on killing the Guardians and using Maltusian healing bandages to evolve Guy and Hal into new guardians.

And after Millennium the South African Genomorph style artificial mutants who were destined to replace the Guardians got slaughtered by Krona while he was working for Nekron if memory serves.
 
I saw a recent complaint in another thread about how often para-Paul dismisses the input of others. If his Dox tried to seriously dissuade Paul from turning the Orange Corps into a military organization, do you think Paul would have considered it? Or would he have tactfully dismissed and gone back to hiring Dox to his Corp? Food for thought.


I think that this chapter shows that that trait in Grayven has grown like a tumor. Dox just became Grayven's word-manipulating genie. Paul is an angelic saint of desire while Grayven is hiding and denying his inner demon or archfiend of the sin named greed. Just look at how painful Grayven is making it for Dox to follow his desires.

I suspect P!Paul would just say "It's a good idea, but it's not what's needed right now. I'll tell you what: You can make arrangements and organization along those lines, since we'll need something to transition to once we've dealt with the Reach; the Controllers, who in theory are my bosses (and soon to be yours, as well) are prioritizing dealing with the Reach, though, so we really need to focus on that."

Or something like that, anyway.

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If his Dox tried to seriously dissuade Paul from turning the Orange Corps into a military organization, do you think Paul would have considered it? Or would he have tactfully dismissed and gone back to hiring Dox to his Corp?
He'd have to have had a very good argument, and it was pretty unlikely that he would have tried. And if he had, the problem wouldn't have been as much the SI rejecting him as the Controllers and Darkstars doing so.
Typo, should be G-Gnomes
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I think dox could work well with someone he hates. However, I don't think graven will be able to work with someone who's both abrasive and has no interest in giving way to anything but honest persuasion.
 
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More polite than Greyven usually is, but not nearly as friendly as he acts with people he cares about.

Considering Dox's history I suspect the prospect of working under someone who feels they can order him about before he even accepts their authority would be unappealing.

Prime Minister of Tamaran
Just to remind everyone that Greyven is Tamaran's conqueror, not its ally.
Odd that he says prime minister rather than governor. Seems a more honest title for imposed authority.

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And the G-Trolls have already installed boom tube jammer.
Need an 'a' or 'the' or a plural on jammer(s).

Many Genomorphs, Karnans, Karaltinians owe you their lives
Second comma should be an 'and'.
 
More polite than Greyven usually is, but not nearly as friendly as he acts with people he cares about.

Considering Dox's history I suspect the prospect of working under someone who feels they can order him about before he even accepts their authority would be unappealing.

Just to remind everyone that Greyven is Tamaran's conqueror, not its ally.
Odd that he says prime minister rather than governor. Seems a more honest title for imposed authority.

Corrections!
Need an 'a' or 'the' or a plural on jammer(s).

Second comma should be an 'and'.


Well Komand did propose to him with the throne being the goal, so being the king of Tamaran is probably a foregone conclusion for him, but he is recruiting Dox to do what he doesn't want to do (govern) in short dox is prime Minister while King Grayven and his queen pass their time banging and conquering people.
 
Who's Amane, again? What's her full name, and what's her background/story?

Misa Amane is a young woman from Japan whose parents were murdered and approached Grayven while he was in Japan to ask him to kill their murderer. Instead he gave her super speed and godhood and got her to do it herself.

Based on a Character from the anime Death Note, She and Sunset Shimmer (a pony) appeared during the April fools episode and their presence seems to be the result of ambush bug trying to spite Grayven for interfering with his arrival on earth and denying him a host.
 
"I'll see you when you yield to common sense."
As much as Grayven is being an ass, I kind of agree here. Grayven is offering him command of two massive organizations, no string attached, free of charge, plus a free power ring, after freeing him from the evil prison... And Vril Dox is bringing a lense to examine the gift horse's mouth more in detail.

For a moment I look at my arms and try imagine the response of my former self to what I've done to myself.



Huh.

Okay, but don't think it was the orange light doing that.

How convenient! But yeah, I mostly agree; you don't need magic drugs and a lot of power to get mad with power, only a lot of power.

Misa Amane is a young woman from Japan whose parents were murdered and approached Grayven while he was in Japan to ask him to kill their murderer. Instead he gave her super speed and godhood and got her to do it herself.

Based on a Character from the anime Death Note, She and Sunset Shimmer (a pony) appeared during the April fools episode and their presence seems to be the result of ambush bug trying to spite Grayven for interfering with his arrival on earth and denying him a host.

Huh, I didn't catch that part.
 
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So, Gravy is setting up Dox as Clarissi, just like Paragon did - but I'm pretty sure he's taking a higher position than Illustres for himself.

It's kind of too early to say which approach will produce a stronger Corps. Grayven has more than ten times as many Lanterns right now, but I have to think that Paragon is better qualified to train them. Either one could grow exponentially, in theory, but probably the Grayven Corps will suffer more losses to insanity, and it's hard to say whether their sheer starting numbers will outweigh that.

and try to imagine

a two hundred Lanterns
two hundred Lanterns
 
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Just to remind everyone that Greyven is Tamaran's conqueror, not its ally.
Odd that he says prime minister rather than governor. Seems a more honest title for imposed authority.

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Need an 'a' or 'the' or a plural on jammer(s).

Second comma should be an 'and'.
Typos: "wouldn't"; excess apostrophe
and try to imagine
two hundred Lanterns
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So how much of a Database do these newly created Orange Rings and Lanterns have? A full Malthusian database? Relevant weapons and schematics for construct creation? Medical records of every species that the Controllers/Malthusians have ever met?

How much, if at all, have Komand'r and Koriand'r is the Paragon timeline helped with Tamaran's industrialization? Have they built anything special or plopped down a bleed generator?
 
Grayven is offering him command of two massive organizations, no string attached, free of charge, plus a free power ring, after freeing him from the evil prison... And Vril Dox is bringing a lense to examine the gift horse's mouth more in detail.
Tends to happen when something seems too good to be true, especially from a "worse than my last captors" villain (at least by reputation). "No strings, you say? Let me make sure there aren't any hiding in extradimensional space, please."
 
Tends to happen when something seems too good to be true, especially from a "worse than my last captors" villain (at least by reputation). "No strings, you say? Let me make sure there aren't any hiding in extradimensional space, please."


Well reputation of Apokalips, unless Grayven here was a lot more active.

The only significant thing he did in NE was kill some Darkstars, which obviously hasn't happened here.

Hey, did you folks know that Grayven was one of the many villains jokerized in Last Laugh? He tried to demolish a comedy club after his standup died.
 
So, Gravy is setting up Dox as Clarissi, just like Paragon did - but I'm pretty sure he's taking a higher position than Illustres for himself.

It's kind of too early to say which approach will produce a stronger Corps. Grayven has more than ten times as many Lanterns right now, but I have to think that Paragon is better qualified to train them. Either one could grow exponentially, in theory, but probably the Grayven Corps will suffer more losses to insanity, and it's hard to say whether their sheer starting numbers will outweigh that.

and try to imagine

two hundred Lanterns
Paragon's probably going to end up with more controller assistance given he's setting up on Maltus while Grayven seems pretty wed to Tamaran.
 
Technically acceptable but I think "largesse" is the more common spelling.
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So how much of a Database do these newly created Orange Rings and Lanterns have? A full Malthusian database? Relevant weapons and schematics for construct creation? Medical records of every species that the Controllers/Malthusians have ever met?

How much, if at all, have Komand'r and Koriand'r is the Paragon timeline helped with Tamaran's industrialization? Have they built anything special or plopped down a bleed generator?
At the moment, no. How much of a database they get will be up to Dox, and at the moment he's limited it quite a bit.
The only significant thing he did in NE was kill some Darkstars, which obviously hasn't happened here.
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Hey, did you folks know that Grayven was one of the many villains jokerized in Last Laugh? He tried to demolish a comedy club after his standup died.
He tried? As in, 'had a go but didn't manage it'? My goodness.
 
At the moment, no. How much of a database they get will be up to Dox, and at the moment he's limited it quite a bit.

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He tried? As in, 'had a go but didn't manage it'? My goodness.
Huh, why's Dox doing that? Aside from paranoia, of course. Also, jeez no wonder Darkseid's willing to go along with Renegade stealing Grayven's identity.
 
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