spencer1519
(Verified Heretic)
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Oh this is just going to be heartbreaking for him when he wakes up.
With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
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This is all part of the flashback / conversation with Sinestro's daughter.
Less than it might be, since his fantasy is all about future things that as far as he knows he might be able to make actually happen. That's not nearly as bad as the impossible fantasies Batman & Superman got that involved false history and could therefore never be true.
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Meeting back up with his mother may be impossible, though. Of course, that could entirely be a contrivance by Paul too get a direct representation of MM in there.
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she wraps
Spider-Man (though if this is intentional to reflect her flimsy comics knowledge, then okay), also missing closing quote
But he doesn't know for a fact that it's impossible; Superman knew that his homeworld was gone, and Batman knew his parents were dead.
Nitronorm5688
The Armchair Reader
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Considering what happened when Paul did the group mind thing with Miss Martian I get the sneaking suspicion that him being in that fantasy was an INTENTIONAL THING. I can see him looking at the planet for a few days, preparing his mind with meditation, and then diving right in like what happened with Black Adam. He's probably got a few medical devices attached to his suit being monitored by Dox.
I can see Paul doing it. I really can.
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Thinking about, if she herself is in the right of state of mind, Mother Mercy could serve as an in-corp guru to obtain Orange Enlightenment... helping Lanterns learn what could truly make them happy in a feasible (not Supes of Bats families back) manner and thus goals to strive for.
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And considering what Superman did when he got out...woe betied the villain who did this Is it was one)
What I want to know is, was the Zoat-Mother consulted to ensure that her portrayal was correct? XD
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Lewd.
I didn't write this ahead of time. But thank you for the thought.
Thank you, corrected.
No. It was surprisingly hard to imagine what she'd say.
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With that little "Of course it did." present in the update, I'm going to be one of those people who think he's already aware that none of this is real. He's just playing along.
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I'll be honest, I don't... really like this sequence.
Honestly, I feel all the meta-fiction and the SI parts make the fic weaker most of the time. Like, I think OL would be a stronger character if he were just a guy from another dimension who got all his weird knowledge from ring scans, the Ambush Bug arc would have been stronger as a series of Omakes with less focus on the "SI" and the "You're fictional too" parts, etc. Obviously, Mr Zoat disagrees, so this is just me giving a data point.
That, plus I'm not a fan of dream sequence in general. Short dream sequences are fine, but otherwise I just want to move to the character waking up, reacting to the dream, and generally getting back to conflict and stakes.
Honestly, I feel all the meta-fiction and the SI parts make the fic weaker most of the time. Like, I think OL would be a stronger character if he were just a guy from another dimension who got all his weird knowledge from ring scans, the Ambush Bug arc would have been stronger as a series of Omakes with less focus on the "SI" and the "You're fictional too" parts, etc. Obviously, Mr Zoat disagrees, so this is just me giving a data point.
That, plus I'm not a fan of dream sequence in general. Short dream sequences are fine, but otherwise I just want to move to the character waking up, reacting to the dream, and generally getting back to conflict and stakes.
Stratagemini
Totally a Fire Ferret.
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Why has Best!Snake not fixed this?
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- Earth Prime
Or when she does. She'd totally screw this up in interesting ways.
Blazinghand
O cursèd spite
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This would be pretty cool and clever if true. I guess we'll have to keep reading to find out!
Chaoswind
Lord of nonsense
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Crap meant to say to write this out of schedule (it kinda shows a little), that is what happens at 3 am after several days of poor sleep.
Anyways, good to know everything is well.
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To give a second data point, I disagree completely. Him knowing some but not all of what may happen, and his occasional struggle with what to do with that information, is an important and interesting part of the story. I REALLY liked the Ambush Bug arc, but I HATE that it's non canon.
Hestia&theCourt
Turns out we're plural too.
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Ummm, it's not non-canon.
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Is it really canonical if it has zero influence on future events when logically it should have at least some? Ambush Bug outright told OL that he was a SI written by himself, and that's not such a stretch to believe considering what he already knows. But he has yet to think about or use that information in any way.
If a character is given important information and doesn't use it, and no excuse is given, then there's either a plot hole or it's non canonical.
shepsquared
Erratic Aussie
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If you think Ambush Bug isn't going to show up again, you're dreaming. And as he basically said to Wonder Woman afterwards, he can't tell if Ambush Bug was right or crazy. Since neither conclusion makes a difference to him, why should he bother?
Queshire
Wants a pink flamingo for their lawn.
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Honestly the possibility would have made sense to OL since every other superhero he knows is "being written" by some guy on another Earth. It could very well just be part of the nature of that reality as far as he's concerned. Yet they seem to get along just fine despite that.
Really, making a big deal about being in a fanfic would just be terribly un-British of him.
Really, making a big deal about being in a fanfic would just be terribly un-British of him.
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Arguably, knowing you're in a fictional universe which is actively being written by a author is actually very important and useful information, because it tells you that the universe will tend to obey various tropes depending on the situation, and you can exploit that fact. Whether or not its truly written by a author or merely behaves like it does shouldn't matter, the end result is the same.
And OL has treated it as if it was one of those two in the past; when the cave was attacked and OL was deringed, he thought about how likely he was to be resurrected based on whether or not he was a main character. Making the jump from "universe that behaves as if its fictional" to "universe that behaves as if it's a good comic book fanfic" doesn't seem like much of a jump, so I don't see why he'd immediately and completely disregard the possibility even if there's a element of uncertainty.
Silverias
Seeing is Believing
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Zoat said that the only reason OL didn't have a breakdown about the SI thing was because he's enlightened, and thus incapable of emotional breakdowns.
It's just not as important to him because it's not related to his goals.
shepsquared
Erratic Aussie
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How should he be acting then? He's already aware that if he remembers someone heing a villain they're probably a villain and that theres a multiverse? Or do you just want a bunch of annoyingly meta narration?
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No, I definitely don't want meta narration, I wasn't particularly a fan of the Ambush Bug chapter either. I'm just saying, either the chapter is non-canonical or there are plot holes sitting around (and at best, they're covered up with wallpaper). I'd definitely prefer it to be non-canonical, and I'm trying to argue that either it is, or there are plot holes (which is bad).
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