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A Benevolent Supervillain would forcefully take over a country and rule it logically, rather than being all "For the evulz".
A Ruthless Superhero does what needs to be done to help others even if it doesnt look pretty or if people hate them, and is willing to deal with the concequences.
Thank makes it sound like it has less to do with the good/evil morality axis and more to do with the order/chaos axis.
 
"To the best of my knowledge, I am the most accomplished Orange Lantern presently active."

Komand'r glances my way, not turning her head away from the spectacle in front of us. "You said yourself that you have a more sophisticated ring than either my sister or myself."

Someone's feeling a little too confident, I think. The ring AI is hardly the only reason he's the best. I hope she realizes that they could switch rings and he would still whoop her ass in a sparring match, but I don't think she does. One reason why he hasn't done that he is not ready to share the knowledge on the database with her.
 
It took me a ridiculously long time to read this whole story from beginning to end. Everything is still looking good as far as I can tell. You definitely handle criticism of your SI's actions better than most writers. After the 3rd post telling me that they didn't like what my character was doing in-story I'd probably just start replying with ,"So?" .

I'm hoping that something happens that results in you taking the orange rings back from the 2 sisters though. I understand the SI is invested in them via cartoons/comics from our reality but they just seem a bit too dangerous to have around. Ahh, who am I kidding? I just want the SI to be the only person with an orange ring or to at least make sure that he has some sort of override function built into the rings he gives to future recruits just in case his corps turns on him in the future for some reason.
 
As is yours, good sir!


You mean, like the Psion-designed cybersecurity in the base where Blackfire and Starfire were held, that OL took over in seconds? That cybersecurity?

You mean harder to reverse-engineer then Earth shizotech, which is basically an OCP that makes every alien civilization go WTF, and that OL just has his Ring work out?

You are completely missing the point. Hacking is as easy or as hard as the author demands, and the author has already spoken.

And in this case, it makes sense for it to be extra-hard. It's not just a facility what was on the line here, it was the whole Citadel Empire (and the head asshole's ego, quite literally). It stands to reason that its security has been built up over a very long time and is as strong as can possibly be. By Psions, who may not have the absolute top of the line tech anywhere but are pretty high up there and are known to have a few anti-lantern tricks up their sleeves. Even if lanterns aren't known to operate in Vega and not everything is hardened, the implant network is. Just in case, because it's absolutely critical and very old.

And, let me remind you, the ring can only deal with Earth schizo-tech to an extent, and fails miserably once someone decides to draw a scry ward somewhere.
 
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yeah, that's blue and orange morality right there.
Hilariously accurate, considering the color-schemed emotion i-can't-believe-it's-not-magic. Even the colors fit Paul's modus operandi. Operandum?

And yes.... At the end of the day, Paul wanted to be rid of the Citadel - ethics, morality, and compassion be damned.
"Want the ends, want the means" can get very scary. Especially if one doesn't look for alternate means with sufficient keenness.
 
Jesus.

But yeah. This feels like a goddamned origin story.

The god-powerful alien, flanked by his two Tamaranean whores, ruined our world, violated our minds.

But vengeance will be ours.

His 'mercy' will be the sword we destroy him with!

EDIT : Love Blackfire in this. She comes off as kind of a bitch in contrast to Starfire's compassion of the existential crisis they both see, but I like that.
 
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...This was unnecessary butchery, on reflection. It'd have been very little effort to stun them and maroon them somewhere.
The SI is still in wipeout mode, not post-victory mode. Citadelians who don't make it past this test get removed from the universe. I'd hazard that if he runs into a surviving Citadelian ship later on, and they're still in a bandit/conquer/fighting mindset, he'd kill all of them too.

Essentially, this is not so much a war to be won, leaving the loser to lick their wounds, as an ongoing eradication of the Citadelian mindset from the universe. Those few Citadelians who can rise above it will probably be left alone, or at least not actively hunted down. Any others? Assess and potentially kill on sight.

Citadelians are a clone race, so with their own cloning facilities destroyed they would need to find another civilization capable of cloning their biology if they want to repopulate. This will either mean stealing/conquering such facilities, with the Orange Corps likely to turn up at any point and sterilize everything within half a parsec, or being able to socialize effectively enough to be able to beg. borrow, rent, or buy such facilities - at which point the SI will most likely turn up and assess the socialized Citidelian mindset for likelihood of being able to integrate with the local interstellar community without falling back to their previous M.O.

Is an ongoing counter-campaign of extermination/genocide a little over the top when compared to most examples of conquered countries/people throwing off the yoke in our own history? Quite possibly. But I'm willing to bet that the lack of gentler approaches being taken here is somewhat due to Orange influence, which tends to connect desires very directly to results without much in the way of social niceties, particularly when there aren't other people around to act as sources of appropriate morality. I should also note, in that context, that Paul's actions tended to be more nuanced and moral when he was surrounded by teammates and people whose opinions he valued. At the moment, we have a Paragon who is cut off from almost all of that, and a Renegade who has surrounded himself with friends, allies, and alternate points of view. Result? A colder, harsher, more brutal Paragon, and a softer, gentler, fluffier Renegade. It's not just "the story isn't what it used to be and now it sucks" - what's happening in both timelines is a logical and direct result of orange light use and choices made. (Relevantly: the Renegade hasn't gone to Vega alone yet and also had a long stretch without wearing the orange ring. Not sure if New God physiology is also providing a certain degree of resistance.)

With all that in mind, I can see why Abra Kadabra was so terrified of Orangest Night.
 
Resolution. Yay.

Paul could at least have had the decency to kill them himself. Not like they could have threatened him even without the robots and forcefield.
Or could they? Did he sit back and let others do the deed because he knew he couldn't bring himself to kill them all after violating them in such a manner?

"Tonight, before I sleep, I will play a recording of this moment. And I will sleep all the more soundly for it."
At the risk of sounding like a broken record: This is not an attitude conducive to benevolence. Or long term sanity.

And nothing of value was lost.
Eight hundred well trained, physically fit soldiers. Each with the potential to grow and develop into a worthy individual. Each able to contribute to the stability and safety of the region. Lost.
Some portion of Starfire's respect for Paul. Lost.
Some portion of Blackfire's restraint. Lost.

So you'd prefer they be tortured to death without regard for potential reformers?
o_O Nothing stopped him doing this with stun weapons and marooning those who chose violence somewhere. Not like he can't put basic survival infrastructure together with a wave of his hand. Given a few years of being hunter gatherers, or just sitting about thinking while waiting for food shipments, they may have become more amenable to redemption.

Paul took the convenient option. Not any of the good options.
 
Eight hundred well trained, physically fit soldiers. Each with the potential to grow and develop into a suicidal psychopatic vengeance bent murder machine with no sense of direction after his slavery and war driven empire crumbled. Each able to contribute to the total death statistics of Vega system
FTFY. Seriously, this is like the Bonesaw thing from Worm driven fics all over again. Can they be fixed with massive rehabilitation? Well, yes maybe. Should they be? After being part of who knows how many atrocities? This is the kind of moral debate which sparks conflicts in real world, because there, everyone is grey and almost everyone has redeeming qualities. Thankfully, these guys don´t really have any.

And this situation is nothing like Nabu. The beef Paragon had with League over that is, that they let Nabu possess their friend and appeared to do nothing about it. So two things he disliked, treachery and not being productive. Truly, such sin. I also don´t think that Paragon ever proffesed himself as Hero of Justice and Truth. Which they do. And then they did not stand up for it.
 
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I just want the SI to be the only person with an orange ring or to at least make sure that he has some sort of override function built into the rings he gives to future recruits just in case his corps turns on him in the future for some reason.
Honestly.
You are completely missing the point. Hacking is as easy or as hard as the author demands, and the author has already spoken.
It's not a matter of hacking. That aspect was perfectly manageable. The problem was that the system essentially dubbed the First's thoughts onto brains more or less the same as his. That was why it worked. It's also not a wrinkle that existed in the comics. In order to hijack it the SI would need a Citadelian patsy. An Okaaran or a Branx might be able to make it work, but probably not. The most feasible way would have been to have Mister Blake rewrite the brain of one of the New Breed and use them, but that would probably generate so much cognitive dissonance that the remaining Citadelians would start ignoring it.
 
FTFY. Seriously, this is like the Bonesaw thing from Worm driven fics all over again. Can they be fixed with massive rehabilitation? Well, yes maybe. Should they be? After being part of who knows how many atrocities? This is the kind of moral debate which sparks conflicts in real world, because there, everyone is grey and almost everyone has redeeming qualities. Thankfully, these guys don´t really have any.
The villain and serial murderer Cheshire was granted redemption despite being worse than any individual Citadelian soldier. Indeed many of the villains Paul worked to redeem are worse than these individuals. Pretty much all of them have the potential, due to their circumstances and capabilities, to become far worse than any Cidatelian can now that the empire is destroyed.

In order to hijack it the SI would need a Citadelian patsy. An Okaaran or a Branx might be able to make it work, but probably not. The most feasible way would have been to have Mister Blake rewrite the brain of one of the New Breed and use them, but that would probably generate so much cognitive dissonance that the remaining Citadelians would start ignoring it.
Shame they don't have any branded and or assimilated Citadelians on hand. Oh wait, they have both.
 
Shame they don't have any branded and or assimilated Citadelians on hand. Oh wait, they have both.
Assimilated Citadelians don't have organic brains.

Branded ones want to obey the SI. That's it. They don't have a greater ethical understanding that the rest. They don't even have the SI's morals piped over via the ring. Certainly, they would obey him to the best of their ability but they would have little inherent understanding of what he was trying to get them to do.
 
The villain and serial murderer Cheshire was granted redemption despite being worse than any individual Citadelian soldier. Indeed many of the villains Paul worked to redeem are worse than these individuals. Pretty much all of them have the potential, due to their circumstances and capabilities, to become far worse than any Cidatelian can now that the empire is destroyed.

Shame they don't have any branded and or assimilated Citadelians on hand. Oh wait, they have both.
There is/was about a million Citadelians. The prime force in charge of Vega for, well someone might tell you how long, i don´t know myself. So, no not really. None of the people Paragon saved and redeemed helped raze a capital city of a planet, send a race back into stone age, condone slavery, send captives to sadistic mad scientists with no ethics, as well as condone crime on interstellar level. As opposed to Siskin, who was burried under gigaton of Fear Elemental crap. I don´t know enough about Abra Kadabra and the Danner Enhanced twins to talk about them. But none of them had evil literally in their genes. Now i am not gonna say Cheschire was that much better than those soldiers but thats where being pragmatic comes in. Thats a whole other cake.

EDIT: In case of response in vein of : But Cheschire was part of League of Shadows that would commit mass murder on planetary scale. Well yeah, but unlike Citadel empire, she is not literally the same guy as her Employer. The only distinguishing quality between Citadelians is the level of implants they have.
 
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Captain Gralg shove his way through the unresisting crowd.

' shoves '

And I said it before... but for some reason I'm fine with letting Komand'r's worst impulses slide through regarding the Citadel. Being an Orange Lantern s about achieving your desires and Komand'r has done that. Been a part of that effort. Helped slay the beast. For some reason now that she's over that hump, she might actually kind of level out. She doesn't have that level of hate or raw desire towards any other concept, I think.
 
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