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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

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Empiricist2 said:
Do neither. Assume that he can find Saint Walker's homeworld before he becomes a Lantern. The SI already knows roughly how events will transpire, that Walker's family will all die in his trek to the mountain. What the SI should do is save each family member before they die but trick Walker into believing they are dead just like in the comics. His son gets swept away in a stream? Pick him up when he's out of sight and put a fake body in his place. Someone about to die of malnutrition? Activate a sleeping pill that was implanted beforehand, then heal them after Walker leaves. Stuff like that.

Keep this a secret until after Walker reverts the sun to a normal state, then greet him with his family at the SI's back. This will further solidify Walker's belief that through hope, all will be well.
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I like this it would be so appropriate and would actually make him more resolute then before because he got brought from despair after giving hope back to the world and becoming the greatest beacon of the blue in this particular universe
 
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Rjrulew said:
I like this it would be so appropriate and would actually make him more resolute then before because he got brought from despair after giving hope back to the world and becoming the greatest beacon of the blue in this particular universe
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It could backfire. Discovering at any time that OL was pulling the strings could STRIP him of that hope -- a powerful being KNEW what was going on, was WATCHING him at every step, was intentionally playing with his emotions, COULD HAVE SOLVED THE PROBLEM instead of pawning it off on him... Wouldn't that be the kind of thing that would make you question whether your hope actually had meaning?
 
Mr Zoat said:
"Except for the prototype Krona and I created. The very first orange ring. Bit of a kludge job, to be honest. We never thought that we'd use it in the field."

"Does it have any special abilities?"

"No! It was a first effort! I'd be embarrassed to see it now. No AI worth talking about, no control assistance… I'm much more pleased with the one I made for you."
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So that's why the SI found it so easy to transmute Alan's Lantern from Green to Orange - he wasn't turning it Orange, he was turning it Back Orange...
 
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It could backfire. Discovering at any time that OL was pulling the strings could STRIP him of that hope -- a powerful being KNEW what was going on, was WATCHING him at every step, was intentionally playing with his emotions, COULD HAVE SOLVED THE PROBLEM instead of pawning it off on him... Wouldn't that be the kind of thing that would make you question whether your hope actually had meaning?
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But he can't solve the problem. Their sun was about to go nova. The SI completely lacks the ability to change that, possibly even with the Ophidian since he has little investment in their planet. What he can do is save people who would have otherwise died while allowing the person who actually can solve the nova problem to gain his power up. And this would hopefully allow Saint Walker to be even stronger if his hope is shown to have been justified.

And what are the alternatives? He could try evacuating the planet, which while it would work would mean no blue Lantern would be appearing anytime soon, nor that said blue Lantern would be as good or strong as Saint Walker. He could simply let events play out, in which case Saint Walker would happen as normal, but he would be weaker than he could be and have lost his family. Plus, it might be found out that the SI knew what would happen and chose not to even try to save them.
 
Empiricist2 said:
But he can't solve the problem. Their sun was about to go nova. The SI completely lacks the ability to change that, possibly even with the Ophidian since he has little investment in their planet. What he can do is save people who would have otherwise died while allowing the person who actually can solve the nova problem to gain his power up. And this would hopefully allow Saint Walker to be even stronger if his hope is shown to have been justified.

And what are the alternatives? He could try evacuating the planet, which while it would work would mean no blue Lantern would be appearing anytime soon, nor that said blue Lantern would be as good or strong as Saint Walker. He could simply let events play out, in which case Saint Walker would happen as normal, but he would be weaker than he could be and have lost his family. Plus, it might be found out that the SI knew what would happen and chose not to even try to save them.
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The plan is good until you had the SI clearly reveal he was involved. He can save saint walker family and have him be even stronger with his hope, but only if no one ever finds out he did it. Otherwise the possibilities of a backfire are huge.
 
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COULD HAVE SOLVED THE PROBLEM instead of pawning it off on him
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:Citation Needed:

I doubt OL could relocate a planets orbit (or whatever Walker did to save the day). It's not his planet, not his desire. Walker channeled a planets worth of Hope to save it, and I don't think Orange light works like that. This sounds more like trying to tread a fine line between saving Walkers family without screwing over the planets best hope for being saved.
 
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@Mr Zoat

Question.

Why is it that each version of the SI forgets any information about the specific DC Earth (or in Indigo's case The Boys) they ended up on?

It's also a bit inconsistent. Renegade clearly remembers the MLP show, while he seemingly has no recollection of Death Note. Why remember one but not the other?

Especially since Misa Amane and Sunset Shimmer both entered the story in Fool's Canon.
 
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@Mr Zoat

Question.

Why is it that each version of the SI forgets any information about the specific DC Earth (or in Indigo's case The Boys) they ended up on?

It's also a bit inconsistent. Renegade clearly remembers the MLP show, while he seemingly has no recollection of Death Note. Why remember one but not the other?

Especially since Misa Amane and Sunset Shimmer both entered the story in Fool's Canon.
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Possibly Zoat knows MLP much better than Death Note, and encountered Sunset Shimmer in a situation that emphasized that she might be from a non-DC universe, while the other presented herself as a DC-appropriate civilian.

I know more about MLP than Death Note (though I have the basics,) in the same way that I know more about Lanterns than the details of Martian Manhunter.
 
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    03:27 GMT -5

    "…nice to meet a couple who are so open in their love for one another."

    I watch the devices Scott is waving at me as I lie back in what feels unnervingly like a dentist's chair. I've never really had much of a fear of dentists, but I used to deal with the discomfort of having them prod and poke at the interior of my mouth by going completely limp. Now, that isn't happening.

    "Uh-huh."

    Barda isn't the tough-on-the-outside-but-soft-on-the-inside type. She's tough the whole way through, and having Ghia'ta chirping at her about her one emotional 'indulgence' isn't doing much to improve the usually surly attitude she adopts when forced to spend any time in my presence. Still, after 'still in love with his dead wife', 'in love with a woman who'll be spending the rest of her life in a supermax prison' and… My own… I suppose it's only fair that I show her a relationship that's actually working as it's supposed to.

    To be honest, I'm not totally sure where I'm going with Ghia'ta. She has the potential to be tremendously useful, particularly if my ultimate plan is going to revolve around white light manipulation. Or just generally; that staff isn't a power ring but it's only one step down, and her combat skills are notable. I wonder if she can learn to use New God-.

    "Ping!"

    Scott glances at his Mother Box, then back at me.

    "Alright Scott, what's the news?"

    "You're recovering pretty well, actually. I was pretty sceptical about your violet light infusion, but it actually looks like it's really helped."

    I nod sagely. "You see-."

    "Though it was still pretty stupid." He leans back against a nearby bench, folding his arms across his chest. "You should have asked me to come along and check what they were going to do. Zamarons might be ancient and wise but they don't know New Gods like I do."

    "Scott, that was an act of desperation and confusion. I clearly wasn't thinking straight."

    "Should the fact that your instinctive response was to dash off without the guy who spent two weeks putting you back together make me feel better? Or worse?"

    "Ahhh." I dip my eyes for a moment. "You… Have a point."

    "When you first greeted me as your brother, I was pretty sceptical. And Barda…" He glances at his wife, who raises her eyebrows a little. "She was fairly sceptical too."

    "I thought I was growing on her, after our sparring sessions. Though I suppose that may have been the concussion."

    "My point is, if you want us to have an actual family relationship… You're going to have to trust me with a few things."

    "I-. I do. I'm not… Used to having family I can trust either. Not… New God family. I mean… When I was on… Earth Prime…" Can't honestly say I had a particularly close relationship with my sister, either. We didn't get on badly or anything, just… Not much in common. I nod. "Okay… You have a reasonable point."

    Scott looks up a the ceiling for a moment. "That wasn't as painful as I thought it would be."

    "If you're missing that Apokoliptian flavour we could beat each other with pain sticks for a while… Though even.. now I'm still quite a bit stronger than you." Barda shifts slightly, a thin smile on her lips. "Probably not… Stronger than her…"

    "Let's not. Look, Zatara tells me that you've got some kind of Vampire/Succubus hybrid in your mountain."

    "Yes, I picked them up on an island-."

    "And you're trying to teach them how to rise above their instincts."

    "Yes?"

    He sighs. "To free themselves from themselves?"

    I flop back, my head hitting the headrest. "Ooooooh. Damn." "Ah. Sorry. That… Should have occurred to me… But it didn't." Um. "Are you free now?"

    He bows his head, smiling. "I can be. But in the interests of honesty-."

    "The Justice League want us to spy on you." Barda nudges Ghia'ta aside as she walks closer. "They want to be sure that you're not up to something."

    I roll my eyes. "Yes, Barda, getting Anti-Lifed was all part of my master plan. You might want to avoid eating any jelly babies for the next few months."

    She doesn't look impressed. "They'd probably be less worried if Darkseid hadn't paid you a visit. You nearly destroyed the whole Light perfectly, then you misjudged Darkseid. What happened to you could have happened to everyone."

    "What Barda means is-."

    "No, she's being pretty clear." I nod. Not as if I had anything critical planned that I need to hide from the League. "Alright. A bit of fraternal bonding wouldn't go amiss. And… In the interest of deepening our relationship… There's… Something I've been planning on doing for a while for which your help would be invaluable."

    Scott looks mildly interested. "Oh? What's that?"

    "I destroyed Father Box for betraying me to Darkseid. Thus: I need a new Box."

    "Ping!"

    "Alright, if you want to be pedantic about it: I'd like a new Box."

    Scott strokes his chin with his right hand. "Any Box you got from Apokolips would have the same loyalty problem as the one you stole from Desaad. And I don't think you can really afford to steal one from New Genesis."

    "That would be sub-optimal anyway. What I really want is a Box designed for me from the ground up." I smile faintly as I look from Scott to Barda. "I understand that you're both acquainted with their creator."

    "You want Himon to make-?" Scott seems to find the idea amusing. "That's not going to happen."

    "Why not? I mean, I can manufacture element x, which I don't imagine is easy for him to do on Apokolips. I can.. pay him." Scott and Barda glance at each other. "Oh, come on, the guy helped the flipping Captain of the Female Furies escape Apokolips and his daughter married Orion. I somehow don't think that he'll hold Darkseid against me."

    "You can't go to Apokolips." Barda appears to be taking the idea seriously. "With that much Anti-Life in you, Darkseid will know the moment you step through the hush tube."

    "Then it's a good job my brother is the sneakiest New God in existence, isn't it?"

    Scott nods to himself. "Grayven having a Mother Box would help with-." Barda narrows her eyes at him. "It would. A Mother Box could monitor him to make sure Darkseid wasn't influencing him. She might even be able to work out how to exorcise the Anti-Life fragment completely."

    "Ping!"

    "Yes, I know it's optimistic, but it's possible. Okay. We just need to get in touch with Amazing Grace and then-."

    I frown. "Why would you want to do that?"

    "She's a resistance organiser. Himon has to move constantly to stay ahead of Darkseid's troops, but-."

    "Wait no wait.. no. Amazing Grace is a plant. Darkseid has her draw people willing to resist him to her so that he can kill them and use their deaths as an intimidation tool." Scott and Barda stare at me. "She's completely loyal to him. I.. thought you knew that."

    Barda's jaw tightens. "No. We didn't."

    "Well… Shit." Um. "You have to-."

    Scott nods. "We'll need your hush tube. Let's go!"
     
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    • Mr Zoat said:
    "Wait no wait.. no. Amazing Grace is a plant. Darkseid has her draw people willing to resist him to her so that he can kill them and use their deaths as an intimidation tool." Scott and Barda stare at me. "She's completely loyal to him. I.. thought you knew that."
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    The New Gods must be pretty dumb if they regularly get betrayed by a tree, especially when they don't even notice that she is a tree.
     
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    I think Scott and Barda are going to adopt the strategy of actually talking to Grayven more after all this. Instead of the previous strategy of making snide remarks and Barda stating how much she wishes he was dead.
     
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