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Alternate versions of the maltusians
With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
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I don't think it can really be called the Stuart Ring anymore. It was wiped and the original contents of Paul's original ring were copied onto it.
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Wrong finger.
As would Apokolips, the second largest concentration of power lanterns in existence. Earth is more like fourth.
I am somewhat surprised that he didn't go and download some of his missions reports etc to stewart ring.
Honestly, I don't think that that will be a problem, as the Controllers already know how to forge the ring, so I think he could probably get away with having two.
No, he really won't. If you have the cooperation of an emotional spectrum entity, than you can create thousands of rings. The only problem is the ophidian's attachment, but it seems to be somewhat within the abilities of a large group of maltusians to contain one.
Okay, I can get the trophy rooms of Apokolips containing large numbers of lanterns, but where else would there be lanterns? Qward, or maybe Zamoran would be in third place?
Honestly, I don't think that that will be a problem, as the Controllers already know how to forge the ring, so I think he could probably get away with having two.
No, he really won't. If you have the cooperation of an emotional spectrum entity, than you can create thousands of rings. The only problem is the ophidian's attachment, but it seems to be somewhat within the abilities of a large group of maltusians to contain one.
Okay, I can get the trophy rooms of Apokolips containing large numbers of lanterns, but where else would there be lanterns? Qward, or maybe Zamoran would be in third place?
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In that case wouldn't it make more sense to copy the files from the original ring, factory reset it, and return that orange light to its original maker?
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He's rather attached to the original ring, though he would have done that if the Stewart ring didn't work.
Yep. Oa, Apokolips, Qward. Zamaron has none, as they split with the Guardians too early to have been involved in the mortal-use power ring project. A few of the older Zaramons have these in their jewellery boxes but that's about it.
what about the Zamarons
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Depends on how much Zoat is using from the comics, in NE continuity they didn't bother with software safeguards- their safeguard is hardware. The Controllers could just turn the suits off like a switch by not sending them any more power.
Which is what happened in NE continuity when the Controllers got tired of the Darkstars having their own agendas.
All the darkstar mantles just became fashion statements barring the few next gen darkstar mantles that had their own power sources- miniature black holes.
The Controllers probably don't have those here yet, because if they did I don't see them needing help with the Reach. Those darkstar mantles have enough gravitokinesis to send energy attacks back at someone while asking the person "Why are you hitting yourself, huh?" and energy absorption abilities.
As powerful as a beetle is, I don't see them fairing too well against enemies who basically can't be hit, but can also send the attacks back like a ping pong ball.
If Zoat is using this, then giving a darkstar an orange ring takes away the Controller's failsafe, which means Paul might be surprised at how reticent the Controllers might be to upgrade their darkstars.
Most Controllers weren't used as characters but as plot devices. In darkstars, as I've mentioned before, they couldn't even bother being in charge of the darkstars, they delegated that.
A few have had personalites that I can think of offhand.
A psycho Controller genetically engineered three fake deities from Maltusian folklore to basically commit universal genocide by forestation of every planet- no more villages, no more cities. So obviously Controllers are prone to mad scientist disease.
A Controller I was actually hope might show up is Clonus of the Wanderers- In the 30th century he married a human clone, only for his kids to mutate into planet conquering emotional vampires who killed the Wanderers, who he then resurrected via cloning.
Which could have all been avoided if his fellow Controllers had ever mentioned to him that the Controllers outlawed cloning so that the clones' kids won't turn into planet conquering monstrosities, but that was need to know somehow.
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*points to the example right above it*
I was taking it as a given, at least for the important stuff, but now that you mention it... he used to always ask stuff to Stewart's ring, didn't he? Let's hope he planned this properly.
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Yes, that's up there with the Guardians deciding the central power battery should explode if a Lantern ever kills a Korugarian and then never bothering to tell the GLC this. Despite you know, Sinestro waging a one korugarian war against the GLC.
One can't even chalk it up to Maltusians being passive aggressive with the secrecy in both cases though, since Clonus predates the retcon that Controllers are Maltusians.
Perhaps someone at DC realized "Hey, the Controllers are also passive aggressive with the secrecy, let's make them cousins of the Guardians! Now pass the booze and drugs!"
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My expectation is that Zoat is using David Ben-Gurion's wife for a female Controller because the Guardians' original look, the big headed bald short guy thing, was based off of David Ben-Gurion. Thus, if this woman/Controller/Maltusian is a cognate of the Guardians she gets to look like a female version of them. Sound like it fits?
I was pointing at the psycho Controller, actually.
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Well done.
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Ah, he didn't clone the ancient Maltusian gods, he made his own.
He kind of had to, I understand that the ancient Maltusian gods turned out to be Stewart. Although I don't remember that bit from GL Mosaic, but it was a weird series.
So if anyone asked the JL if they're gods, Stewart is one of the members who can say yes.
The Controllers may or may not have rules against making your own deities.
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That's not exactly a useful question in a setting where plenty of individuals are stronger than plenty of gods, and plenty of gods go superheroing so the answer might well be "yes" anyway.So if anyone asked the JL if they're gods, Stewart is one of the members who can say yes.
And then there are cases like Adom, Diana, and Donna, where the answer is neither strictly yes nor strictly no.
I was pointing out that a Controller went all "omnicidal insane mad scientist". Do you really want such a being to know it can mass-produce planet-destroying abominations from their own DNA(-equivalent)?Ah, he didn't clone the ancient Maltusian gods, he made his own.
He kind of had to, I understand that the ancient Maltusian gods turned out to be Stewart. Although I don't remember that bit from GL Mosaic, but it was a weird series.
So if anyone asked the JL if they're gods, Stewart is one of the members who can say yes.
The Controllers may or may not have rules against making your own deities.
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Er, I wasn't talking about motives, I was talking about "how did she even do this? And how could she possibly have had any expectation that it even might have worked?"When dealing with an ancient immortal, it can be difficult to understand their motives.
On the other hand, sometimes they are really easy.
No, keep guessing.
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Planetcide is not enough mass murder for Controllers. Their go to is stellacide to take out entire solar systems.
They have Sun-Eaters.
Depending on the iteration, they either cause suns to go nova which they use to propel themselves to the next solar system to destroy, or they just consume all the energy from the star.
That gets into the 'are demi-gods gods?' question.
Diana and Donna are gods, basically becuase Herakles is one. Adom and the marvels aren't gods, but are 'mythical heroes'. Adom and the Marvels probably aren't gods, as Mister Miracle and Big Barda generally comment about 'feeling like a new god'.
So the Zamorans haven't started the power ring trend yet? Interesting. However, I would think that they would still have a large concentration of lantern equivalent staff things.
Edit: I think that the way that the Renegade and Paragon thing works is that things the SI hasn't interacted with are the same in both timelines.
Does the Indigo tribe exist yet?
The more powerful members of the Justice league are seemingly equivalent to low tier gods, but against mid-high god range, the Oceanus fail would likely be representative.
Also, ancient typo: In post 21 of the story only thread (at least), it's Thaal Sinestro, not Thrall Sienstro.
Diana and Donna are gods, basically becuase Herakles is one. Adom and the marvels aren't gods, but are 'mythical heroes'. Adom and the Marvels probably aren't gods, as Mister Miracle and Big Barda generally comment about 'feeling like a new god'.
So the Zamorans haven't started the power ring trend yet? Interesting. However, I would think that they would still have a large concentration of lantern equivalent staff things.
Edit: I think that the way that the Renegade and Paragon thing works is that things the SI hasn't interacted with are the same in both timelines.
Does the Indigo tribe exist yet?
The more powerful members of the Justice league are seemingly equivalent to low tier gods, but against mid-high god range, the Oceanus fail would likely be representative.
Also, ancient typo: In post 21 of the story only thread (at least), it's Thaal Sinestro, not Thrall Sienstro.
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Herakles was a special case, and only became a god after dying horribly. Greek mythology is full of offspring of gods that aren't gods. It's like saying all Americans are the President.
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The reason Adom is a borderline case is because while he himself isn't a god, he's directly channeling them; while empowered, he could in a sense be considered an avatar.
But it should be noted that classical gods AREN'T New Gods, and we have no evidence to suggest that Mister Miracle or Big Barda have commented about a classical god or the power of classical gods feeling like New Gods or New God power.
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Or perhaps even "all princes become kings" might be a good metaphor.
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