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I'm gonna go ahead an add that to The Chart.
With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
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It seems perfectly internally consistent for Paul to do this, in the same way that it was perfectly internally consistent for him to show off during the meeting with the Strand-Captain.
It's about establishing himself as a player. A decisive response to being challenged makes it less likely that someone will attack him in the future.
He doesn't actually care about the Spider Queen, he cares about what protecting her gets him.
It's about establishing himself as a player. A decisive response to being challenged makes it less likely that someone will attack him in the future.
He doesn't actually care about the Spider Queen, he cares about what protecting her gets him.
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There's a fine line between "too strong to fuck with" and "too strong to let live".
Immediately and easily completely restraining a would-be-assassin? To strong to fuck with.
Immediately and without remorse assimilating (or so it appears to them) a would-be-assassin? To strong to let live.
Plus half/all the people there already think he's the Beast...
Except no. They either don't know about assimilation, as seen by the Birdy-Mercs from the bar, or they do and they know that it turns you all orange, which Branding does not do.
Immediately and effortlessly subverting an assassin makes it a lot less likely that he will be attacked in the short term. I'd he never released her, then yes, it would result in people eventually ganging up against him, but he plans on letting her go in a bit, which will make him seem reasonable. This will make him seem like less of an implacable foe that everyone must band together to destroy.
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Sure, they know it turns you orange, but when they see mind control and a big ol' glowing orange sigil on her chest, thinking "Huh, guess he doesn't have to turn them orange" is more likely than "I bet that's just temporary".
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'this is unusual behavior and clashes with my previous information. I better not make any rash decisions about the guy who is already displaying different capabilities from the Beast. '
It's not about them thinking it's temporary. It's about making them think twice about attacking. This buys him time.
They have no idea he plans on letting her go later, but that doesn't matter, The people watching are not nice, upstanding folks, they are pirates, murderers and slavers. Letting her go would have bbeen seen as weak. Killing her would have been perfectly acceptable to their outlook. by apparently mind-controlling her into his service, will likely be seen as a sign of power. 'You attack me and not only will you fail, I'll make you my slave.'
Besides as far as the idea of 'He's too powerful and must be destroyed', all these groups will be thinking, let somebody else try first, we'll hit him after he's worn down a bit.
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hance1986
The One Above All.
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Actually pretty sure they aren't forgetting it. Sure it's easy to think that but the reality is that a lot of mainstream comic want to keep the setting recognizeable to the modern setting, by modern I mean how our world looks because if you are going to appeal to a wide audience then that just makes sense. Realistically if they did implement advanced tech from other races or super genius' then it would drastically alter the setting to the point that it wouldn't even look like our world. Imagine if the Marvel universe tried to do what you suggested and how that world would look. Hell keeping track of all the changes across many diffent stories and writers while trying to stay consistent is pretty much impossible without immense effort and even then there would probably be a lot of arguing among writers.
The reality is that most mainstream would never take the chance to implement such a chance since it may alienate a large number of potential customers since the setting is so drastically different from our own world. Another fact is that honestly most people honestly don't care since they just go to a enjoy a good story. Sure a few people who would prefer a more rational approach exist but as shown with a large number of people complain about the genre in some stories on SB this isn't the case for a lot of people and honestly? The mainstream companies likely don't give a crap about the very small minorities and instead focus on the majority. Especially considering that a lot of people would hate the whole rationalist approach to comic book stories.
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I was talking about in-universe mostly, but fine. That comment I made about Haven was mostly me expressing my annoyance that DC cancelled an interesting series.
I know that the reason comic writers keep the setting in stasis is because they're intellectually lazy and thirsty for new audiences that will never come. I'm talking about in-universe logic.
No such thing for comic books. Humanity got superpowers instead.
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??? You were specifically mentioning the writers and how they were writing the setting in the bolded paragraph I put in. Think you missed quite a few points in my post, mainly about why mainstream comics stick to modern settings. Also it seems like you are being unfair to the writers by calling them lazt. Just because writers don't want to write stories while being super realistic about it doesn't mean they are being lazy, since I am pretty sure they just want to write about what they feel like would be fun or what would sale the most. It's kind of like how a lot of people could be scientist but most just aren't interested.
Hell you mentioned those aliens uplifiting humanity which realistically would have drastically altered the setting. Including making a lot of superheroes obsolete do to the entire world having way better tech to deal with a lot of threats.
As for in-universe reasons? I would say the OOC reasons I just mentioned play a huge part especially franchises like Marvel and DC wanting to keep their Earth as close to ours as possible while still having superheroes to appeal to the vast majority of readers while being consistent as possible to sell as many comics as they can. Meaning that likely they just went with what the rest hollywood does and go by rule of cool and just write awesome stories without even trying to try to follow logic much.
Because again as shown with movies and franchises like Pacific Rim, X-Men, Inception, Star Wars the Marvel and DC universes a lot of the fans don't actually complain about things being realistic. Make fun of sure but at the end of the day the fans still love those movies and franchises along with others like them even though a lot of them don't make a lot of sense when you think about it or someone points stuff out/
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Right, but they're being lazy because they purposefully ignore the obvious end result of what scenarios they posit.
Well, then they shouldn't have let that comic be written, should they?
Pal, those are out of universe reasons.
Scholar of Time
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Says you. Good times, my friend....good times.
Vega, Baby (part 11)
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10th July
21:29 GMT
"…pay for what you did!" The rough-skinned, heavily set, green skinned leader of the Jovial Marauders appears to like having the floor. "Pay, you hear me!" The… I hesitate to refer to it in a manner which suggests any sort of formal process, but I suppose that 'hearing' will have to do. "What the Spider Guild has tried to do goes far beyond the bounds of-" His eyes flick momentarily to the other two leaders of the major groups. "-reasonable competition."
The man in the purple and green uniform looks somewhat bored, though he is at least polite enough to make eye contact with his competitor. The gold skinned, blue haired, powerfully built woman a short distance away from him just slumps a little further.
"Worse!" He turns back as the woman I vaguely recognise from a Booster Gold comic tries to blow one of her bangs out of her eyes without otherwise moving. "Your actions have threatened to cut off our access to the Vega Systems themselves, and the invaluable safe harbour they provide to us."
I try tuning him out a little, checking my surrounding environment for threats. The auditorium is for leaders only, and the Citadelian marines on guard duty checked everyone going in for weapons… Above a certain level in power, at least. The rest of us get the privilege of watching from backstage, ready to charge in just in case our employers call for us. Whatever Citadelian officer came up with this is at least reasonably intelligent, however. Getting into the meeting room would inevitably require us to get past them, and thus alienate Vega's dominant power.
The one with the battleship directly above us.
I take a look at my new companion as my Praexis Demons float over the crowd. I think I can afford to take my eye off the Queen long enough to-.
"I always thought the ancestral enemy of my people would be… Bigger."
I turn away from the twitching cat woman and towards… An Okaaran woman. She's wearing efficient-looking purple body armour. Her face is flat, a tiny stub of a nose positioned directly between her eyes, with bushy, long haired eyebrows just above them. Two large fangs protrude from her lower jaw and her skin is a pale blue. Let's see, one low power gun built into her right bracer, a larger gun slung across her back and… Matter disrupters built into the left bracer. Less effective than a crumbler gauntlet, but it still wouldn't be too healthy to get punched by one.
"I am not The Beast of Okaara."
She snorts. "A second disappointment."
"If you don't want a third, I imagine that you know where to find him."
"Do you wear his sign to insult us?"
"No. I wear it because I use the same power as he does. And I have not been driven insane by it."
A slight twitch, but the red recedes slightly. "You know of him, then?"
"Naturally." I look around the room, taking in the ones trying not to be too obvious about listening in on our conversation. "I had rather thought that he kept to himself. I've been a little.. surprised by the level of recognition I've been getting. Aside from you Okaarans, I didn't think anyone would know of him."
"A year ago you would have been right. Then his orange slaves…" She looks up as one of my Praexis Demons floats past, grabbing at some sort of small flying creature. "Flew out from the Forbidden Forest of Weeds."
"Did they attack anyone?"
She snorts, glancing at a nearby group of Gordanians. "No one not foolish enough to attack them first."
I nod. Good to know. I mean, the planet they came from is most famous for its well trained mercenaries and any other local power likely to take issue with the Construct Lantern swarm would have been an even more acceptable target… But I'd still rather people not get hurt by accident. If I'm going to kill someone I'd much rather it be deliberate.
"The Beast didn't like me stealing from him."
Her eyebrows twitch. Astonishment and.. I think she's impressed. "Many have tried to steal from The Beast. Our legends say they always end up as his slaves."
I nod. "A weapon in your hands that you have not mastered is a weapon that belongs to your enemies. The orange light is the light of avarice. People are drawn to Larfleeze by their own greed, but none are as greedy as he is."
"Larrrr..? Fleece..? That is The Beast's true name?"
"Yes, as far as I know."
She looks me over carefully. "If you and he are powered by greed, and none are so greedy as he is, how did you escape where so many have failed?"
"Only a fool attacks their enemy where that enemy is strongest and where they themselves are weakest."
Curiosity. "You speak like a War-Sage. If you did not overpower him, you outthought him. You discovered a weakness and exploited it as much as it could be exploited, and then retreated."
"Something like that."
"He sent his slaves out after you? And you evaded them?"
"He didn't know where I was. One of his slaves… The big head with the mouth tentacles? Found me by pure chance. Destroying it without revealing my location was difficult, but manageable."
"Can anyone wield this power?"
"In theory, yes. In practice, it tends to drive those who try, insane. And then they attack Larfleeze, and they lose. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have an assassin to interrogate."
I turn away from her, facing the attentive Karnan. A simple 'you want to be helpful' has been enough to make her stay by my side-.
"She does not look like the others."
I look back at her, and she nods her head at the nearest Praexis Demon. "Branding isn't permanent."
"Surely you intend to kill her once you are finished?"
"What, for a weak assassination attempt? Hardly worth it." I.. could, though. Even if I assimilated her… The Sword dealt fairly handily with the Praexis Demons who ate those portals… And.. appearing weak to these pirates might create problems… "Besides, I might have other uses for her."
I look her over once again. The Karnan woman's clothing is fairly minimal, more being rendered unnecessary by the short white fur that covers most of her body. A mane of longer white fur cascades down her head, tied out of her face by an Alice band. Her irises are pink. Her ears are located on the top of her head, though they're far smaller than they would be in a standard depiction of a catgirl.
Ring, sound baffle.
Compliance.
"What's your name?"
"Felicity, masterrrrr."
The purr is affected. I'm ninety percent sure. She shifts her weight, watching my face carefully as she tries to work out which part of her body I find most attractive.
"And whom do you work for, Felicity? Why did you attempt to kill my employer?"
"I'm a member of the Omega Men, master. Primus wants the Queen dead so that all of the pirates will start fighting again."
I've heard of the Omega Men, though I don't think they were in any of the comics I ever read.
"Primus sent you?"
"No, master. I thought that I could prove my worth by killing her myself."
Oh dear. "When does he plan to attack?"
"I don't know, master. They don't tell me things about missions."
I turn to the Okaaran, dropping the sound baffle. "Are the Omega Men a serious threat?"
She doesn't look impressed. "Serious enough. But nothing we haven't dealt with before."
I nod inside my armour. "I suppose we'll just have to be on our guard, then."
21:29 GMT
"…pay for what you did!" The rough-skinned, heavily set, green skinned leader of the Jovial Marauders appears to like having the floor. "Pay, you hear me!" The… I hesitate to refer to it in a manner which suggests any sort of formal process, but I suppose that 'hearing' will have to do. "What the Spider Guild has tried to do goes far beyond the bounds of-" His eyes flick momentarily to the other two leaders of the major groups. "-reasonable competition."
The man in the purple and green uniform looks somewhat bored, though he is at least polite enough to make eye contact with his competitor. The gold skinned, blue haired, powerfully built woman a short distance away from him just slumps a little further.
"Worse!" He turns back as the woman I vaguely recognise from a Booster Gold comic tries to blow one of her bangs out of her eyes without otherwise moving. "Your actions have threatened to cut off our access to the Vega Systems themselves, and the invaluable safe harbour they provide to us."
I try tuning him out a little, checking my surrounding environment for threats. The auditorium is for leaders only, and the Citadelian marines on guard duty checked everyone going in for weapons… Above a certain level in power, at least. The rest of us get the privilege of watching from backstage, ready to charge in just in case our employers call for us. Whatever Citadelian officer came up with this is at least reasonably intelligent, however. Getting into the meeting room would inevitably require us to get past them, and thus alienate Vega's dominant power.
The one with the battleship directly above us.
I take a look at my new companion as my Praexis Demons float over the crowd. I think I can afford to take my eye off the Queen long enough to-.
"I always thought the ancestral enemy of my people would be… Bigger."
I turn away from the twitching cat woman and towards… An Okaaran woman. She's wearing efficient-looking purple body armour. Her face is flat, a tiny stub of a nose positioned directly between her eyes, with bushy, long haired eyebrows just above them. Two large fangs protrude from her lower jaw and her skin is a pale blue. Let's see, one low power gun built into her right bracer, a larger gun slung across her back and… Matter disrupters built into the left bracer. Less effective than a crumbler gauntlet, but it still wouldn't be too healthy to get punched by one.
"I am not The Beast of Okaara."
She snorts. "A second disappointment."
"If you don't want a third, I imagine that you know where to find him."
"Do you wear his sign to insult us?"
"No. I wear it because I use the same power as he does. And I have not been driven insane by it."
A slight twitch, but the red recedes slightly. "You know of him, then?"
"Naturally." I look around the room, taking in the ones trying not to be too obvious about listening in on our conversation. "I had rather thought that he kept to himself. I've been a little.. surprised by the level of recognition I've been getting. Aside from you Okaarans, I didn't think anyone would know of him."
"A year ago you would have been right. Then his orange slaves…" She looks up as one of my Praexis Demons floats past, grabbing at some sort of small flying creature. "Flew out from the Forbidden Forest of Weeds."
"Did they attack anyone?"
She snorts, glancing at a nearby group of Gordanians. "No one not foolish enough to attack them first."
I nod. Good to know. I mean, the planet they came from is most famous for its well trained mercenaries and any other local power likely to take issue with the Construct Lantern swarm would have been an even more acceptable target… But I'd still rather people not get hurt by accident. If I'm going to kill someone I'd much rather it be deliberate.
"The Beast didn't like me stealing from him."
Her eyebrows twitch. Astonishment and.. I think she's impressed. "Many have tried to steal from The Beast. Our legends say they always end up as his slaves."
I nod. "A weapon in your hands that you have not mastered is a weapon that belongs to your enemies. The orange light is the light of avarice. People are drawn to Larfleeze by their own greed, but none are as greedy as he is."
"Larrrr..? Fleece..? That is The Beast's true name?"
"Yes, as far as I know."
She looks me over carefully. "If you and he are powered by greed, and none are so greedy as he is, how did you escape where so many have failed?"
"Only a fool attacks their enemy where that enemy is strongest and where they themselves are weakest."
Curiosity. "You speak like a War-Sage. If you did not overpower him, you outthought him. You discovered a weakness and exploited it as much as it could be exploited, and then retreated."
"Something like that."
"He sent his slaves out after you? And you evaded them?"
"He didn't know where I was. One of his slaves… The big head with the mouth tentacles? Found me by pure chance. Destroying it without revealing my location was difficult, but manageable."
"Can anyone wield this power?"
"In theory, yes. In practice, it tends to drive those who try, insane. And then they attack Larfleeze, and they lose. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have an assassin to interrogate."
I turn away from her, facing the attentive Karnan. A simple 'you want to be helpful' has been enough to make her stay by my side-.
"She does not look like the others."
I look back at her, and she nods her head at the nearest Praexis Demon. "Branding isn't permanent."
"Surely you intend to kill her once you are finished?"
"What, for a weak assassination attempt? Hardly worth it." I.. could, though. Even if I assimilated her… The Sword dealt fairly handily with the Praexis Demons who ate those portals… And.. appearing weak to these pirates might create problems… "Besides, I might have other uses for her."
I look her over once again. The Karnan woman's clothing is fairly minimal, more being rendered unnecessary by the short white fur that covers most of her body. A mane of longer white fur cascades down her head, tied out of her face by an Alice band. Her irises are pink. Her ears are located on the top of her head, though they're far smaller than they would be in a standard depiction of a catgirl.
Ring, sound baffle.
Compliance.
"What's your name?"
"Felicity, masterrrrr."
The purr is affected. I'm ninety percent sure. She shifts her weight, watching my face carefully as she tries to work out which part of her body I find most attractive.
"And whom do you work for, Felicity? Why did you attempt to kill my employer?"
"I'm a member of the Omega Men, master. Primus wants the Queen dead so that all of the pirates will start fighting again."
I've heard of the Omega Men, though I don't think they were in any of the comics I ever read.
"Primus sent you?"
"No, master. I thought that I could prove my worth by killing her myself."
Oh dear. "When does he plan to attack?"
"I don't know, master. They don't tell me things about missions."
I turn to the Okaaran, dropping the sound baffle. "Are the Omega Men a serious threat?"
She doesn't look impressed. "Serious enough. But nothing we haven't dealt with before."
I nod inside my armour. "I suppose we'll just have to be on our guard, then."
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Thank you, corrected.
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- She/Her
Who decided that Estrogina was a decent name for the leader of an all women band of pirates? She's from 2010 too, not like it's some weird silver age name.
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According to that page, Keith Giffen, J.M. DeMatteis and Chris Batista.
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CrossMyHeart And HopeToDie, StickANeedleInMyEye
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I like it. I'm interested to see where the Omega Men strike at, what OL does with Felicity in the end, and what happens when people start going after Larfleeze with the information he drops.
(They fail, sure, but how magnificently? Will it tip off Larfleeze that OL is in the system?)
And is Estrogina a Zamoran or connected, or are the Zamaron pirates a co-incidence or take-off?
EDIT: Also, is it just me, or is OL thinking more ruthlessly now that he doesn't have the Team (his in-group) around for him to be a good example to and worry about them judging him?
...and did he ever tell Aqualad that thing they were talking about in Titanfall? Presumably about Black Manta being Aqualad's biological father?
(They fail, sure, but how magnificently? Will it tip off Larfleeze that OL is in the system?)
And is Estrogina a Zamoran or connected, or are the Zamaron pirates a co-incidence or take-off?
EDIT: Also, is it just me, or is OL thinking more ruthlessly now that he doesn't have the Team (his in-group) around for him to be a good example to and worry about them judging him?
...and did he ever tell Aqualad that thing they were talking about in Titanfall? Presumably about Black Manta being Aqualad's biological father?
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Extraneous apostrophe after "if".
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Thank you, corrected.
What, you thought that Guardians were the only ones who could make new species?
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There's a lot of stupid in comic books. That being said, I have been surprised by just how flat a "What." I was able to utter on seeing that the name of that alien woman was Estrogina.
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Reading the plot blurb on that page did not make anything make more sense.
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