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Thank you, corrected.
With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
- Thread starter Mr Zoat
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This is actually something that Alan Moore made up, not knowing that it was *already* explained away in a Silver Age story. The original Silver Age explanation is that Abin Sur was trying to trick a mind-controlling alien. Why Was Abin Sur Flying a Spaceship in the First Place?
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There's always necromancy! Lich Grampa!
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Is Batwoman (Talia Wayne) on the Justice League? I was rereading some and she was on the Watchtower a while ago. Did she just tell Batman she was coming and he said Yes dear?
Or is she just in Gotham?
Or is she just in Gotham?
To me, he comes across as a bit of an ass.
Those social niceties have a purpose.His whole "I refuse to recognize the identities people chose for themselves" shtick, for example, makes him come off as Hipster Lantern to me.
"I see Dr. Smith is in the news again. Oh, you don't know who that is? I thought everyone knew the real name of *sniff* *finger quotes* Professor Chaos." He knows full well that the people he's talking to aren't going to get the overwhelming majority of his references, and that he's then going to have to/get to explain himself. That's not being honest; that's being insufferable.
And that's even without getting into the privacy issues: there's been a few times when he's used a hero's actual name around people I'm not completely sure knew it previously, nor am I sure that even every criminal's name he uses was public knowledge.
"Being a bit of an ass" might be ahead of Grayven (who's at least three-quarters ass), but still. Nor am I saying that's an out-of-character thing; I mean, a lot of people have a friend who is somewhat of an ass on some subject, and you put up with them.
I kind of wonder how Alan reacts to this. I mean, the right to keep your identity concealed was pretty much the defining issue of his era, with that heroic age ending over the government's refusal to recognize their right to privacy.
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That was something that I've always wondered, if he was gay in WTR!Canon or not. Personally, I don't see why you'd choose not to - if anything, it's another thing that sets him apart from other characters, and I've always thought Earth 2 Alan was an inspired choice. Plus, the idea of an embittered but ultimately still good war veteran, who just happens to be gay and still kicking because of his fancy jewelry, is hilarious to me.
Ultimately, it doesn't really matter if he is or isn't gay, I just have always pictured him in WTR that way, even if it was never stated aloud. I don't even remember if it was ever mentioned of him dating or fancying anyone, but this fic is huge and I may just not have realized. Lol
I'm half expecting Alan to essentially stumble into divine ascension of some sort while Paul is off world...
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Quite aside from the fact that he is only gay in Nu52 (and by now you should know how I feel about that) he was explicitly mentioned as being married.
The big problem with Alan being gay is that it wipes Obsidian, his gay son, out of existence.
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Does it?
+ Normal Surrogacy.
+ Lantern Surrogacy.
+ Adoption.
Take your pick. The last one might have to include a slightly shifted origin for him, but people have gotten superpowers for weirder reasons.
I seem to recall that, with regards to heroes, he tries not to reveal their names to people who do not know... And with regards to villains, he has the two points that A) By giving them villain names, it dehumanizes them. B) By using their villain names to their faces it dissociates them from 'I'm a person who doesn't have to wave a ray-gun about and tie people to train tracks.' thus making them more likely to stay a villain because it reinforces 'villainy' as their core identity and C) By using their regular names, it confirms that they are criminals committing crimes, no better than any other thief or murderer, rather than the dignified opposition.
Paul wants to strip the dignity from supervillainy, and he wants to get supervillains to stop being supervillains - one part of which is that they can't identify as a supervillain who has no other life even as a possibility.
They actually brought him on as a completely unrelated character. Not sure of his sexuality in Nu52.
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Us LGBT people don't really exist in comics. Unless we are going to be killed that is, or queer baited for views. You might get a lesbian couple to titillate the male viewership, but the powers that be will kibosh it pretty quick if you try to do something serious. Like...get married.
Queshire
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I'm normally not one to argue with the author but being married really doesn't matter at all. Bisexuality is a thing and considering the sort of discrimination faced by LGBT combined with his age social pressure could result in him marrying and having a kid even if he was a 6 on the kinsey scale.
Naturally word of god is the overriding factor, but I'm only on the edge of the community at best and even with that I've seen how common it is that people try to use past relationships to try to argue that a character CAN'T be LGBT.
Ridiculously Average Guy
I'm you, but stronger
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While Alan could be gay, but I doubt he would be. The man has enough willpower in him (and enough lack of fear) that he likely wouldn't be in the closet if he was gay.
Also, IIRC, he truly loved his wife.
Also, IIRC, he truly loved his wife.
Queshire
Wants a pink flamingo for their lawn.
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Bisexuality is still a thing.
Sex is not the same as romance is not the same as love.
I should hope you all don't need to feel sexual attraction to someone in order to love them.
I should hope you all don't need to feel sexual attraction to someone in order to love them.
spencer1519
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Loving someone you aren't sexually attracted to is also a thing. He could have been gay and still loved his wife. But given a real lack of evidence in any direction regarding the matter, Zoat's interpretation of the character's sexuality is just as valid as any other. In this case, the author's interpretation is the one that matters.
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I'm 99.999999999% sure that Alan is quite heterosexual in this. The fact that while drunk he mentioned that he wouldn't care if Paul was "A fruit" is sort of a tip off.
Which I'm okay with. I felt the whole New 52 change was just another one of those token slaps in the fact comics often do. Even when the author means well, you just know that A. It's not gonna stick. B. Is going to be a joke anyway. or C. Going to be crushed due to outside pressure.
Given that Zoat has eased up on the already small bit of baiting he was doing, because lets face it PaulXKon ain't happening. I don't mind making jokes about it.
Which I'm okay with. I felt the whole New 52 change was just another one of those token slaps in the fact comics often do. Even when the author means well, you just know that A. It's not gonna stick. B. Is going to be a joke anyway. or C. Going to be crushed due to outside pressure.
Given that Zoat has eased up on the already small bit of baiting he was doing, because lets face it PaulXKon ain't happening. I don't mind making jokes about it.
Well, of course not. The only explanation I have for Paul's treatment of Lex Luthor is being deeply in lust, and sleeping with his son first would have made that awkward.
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IMO Paul still thinks he can eventually reform Luthor to be a force for progress.
Pretty sure Paul gave up on that, but after the Oceanus thing doesn't think Luthor has passed the point where Paul needs to take him down without public cause.
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I always took it as Zoat either liking Luthor as a character for what he could be, or as some kind of weird counterbalance to Superman's bizarre portrayal as both an idiot and an asshole in YJ canon. After all, if there is anyone in all the world that would have accepted and tried to help Kon...it's Kal.
Then again if Superman was the big good he usually is, he might horn in on Wonder Woman's roll, and as I understand Mr Zoat is a Wonder woman fan.
Personally? I'm hoping that because of the infuriating circumstances that led Grayven-Paul to spare Luthor, the flipside will be that OL-Paul's Luthor will do something that pisses Paul off to the point that Paul takes him out. As it is important to note, no matter what Pro-Human views Luthor espouses...at the end of the day its all bullshit.
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