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The point isn't the loss of money and resources.
The point is to tell the League in no uncertain terms that Nabu's actions have consequences.
With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
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The point is to tell the League in no uncertain terms that Nabu's actions have consequences.
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Let's play doctor!
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Actually, it would be completely justified to attack him. There were coordinated attacks against the entire League just hours ago. Now someone that appears to be Nabu doing something OL has never seen him do before shows up and blocks attempts at confirming his identity. As it stands, the only things that confirm his identity are his clothes, what little of his face that can be seen, and use of order magic. Clothes are easy to fake, a face only slightly more difficult, and if Harm can learn magic from the ground up well enough to do anything within a few months, then some minor order magic wouldn't be all that hard to learn. He did use a zeta tube which are normally only known about by League members, but plenty of the League are little better than baseline humans when they are in their civilian identities and could be compromised to give access to the zeta network.
Oh, that gives me an idea. For the contingency that a League or Team member becomes compromised through torture or any other means that don't byass agency, there should be some signal to give the seat tube to raise an alarm and transport the next person to attempt to teleport to instead go to a secure holding facility. A teleported bomb to the middle of Poseidonis would have been devastating.
Also, when was Nabu impersonated?
Against high level threats, the automated defenses wouldn't do much. I could see the SI putting in a contingency that if more than 3 members of the League or Team are present the automated defenses defer to their judgement and firepower rather than needlessly throwing themselves away.
He doesn't know the SI plans to kill him at all, and would know from reports that the SI is very unlikely to kill anyone unless given sufficient cause.
Edit: if Nabu suspected that the SI had hostile intentions towards him, he wouldn't bother with half measures like being a dick to him. He would straight up attack, imprison him, and possibly rip the information from his brain.
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I'd probably just call Nabu a lich, kidnapper, slaver, etc. instead of his name whenever they interact. Two can play the name calling and I have a feeling it would bother Nabu a lot more than he is willing to admit. Paul isn't part of the justice league, mostly because of a paranoid green lantern and Nabu, so he doesn't have to work with him on a daily basis and worry about group cohesion. Nabu is arrogant but he has lived a long time, so I think he might suspect that Paul and Zantana are planning to fight him at some point. Nabu really isn't that impressive when on screen. Paul pointed out he hasn't stopped Klarion at all, and his thinking is very rigid. I just can't see him being smart or ruthless enough to attack Paul before he has a chance to. Though he would have to be an idiot not to be aware of how dangerous a person with a pet elemental is.
Random question for Mr. Zoat: Is there a version of Truggs in Earth 50 that blue lantern paul has to deal with? Truggs is a giant pain so I'm wondering if there is a hero version of him out in the multiverse that is really bad at his job.
Random question for Mr. Zoat: Is there a version of Truggs in Earth 50 that blue lantern paul has to deal with? Truggs is a giant pain so I'm wondering if there is a hero version of him out in the multiverse that is really bad at his job.
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Thank you, corrected.
Sort of, but with no Reach invasion he never had a reason to try coming back in time.
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Okay....
So apparently, not only is Orin throwing a temper tantrum over OL not checking to see whether he was ignorant of his own son, but so is Aqua Lad.
I get it with both of them.
Orin is emotionally compromised by his own failure to protect his progeny, and both of them are emotionally compromised by this risk to their people.
It doesn't make this any less pathetic.
In a order of responsibity for this situation, it would be:
Villains first.
Orin second.
OL last.
There was no reason for OL to peak in on Orin earlier and say: "hey man, I noticed you have a son on the surface world back when I panicked and spied on everyone, were you aware of that?"
Seriously, there is no way Orin is the only hero to produce a bastard and not know about it. OL isn't being expected to report everyone else's progeny to them.
The only reason it matters at all is that apparently there are special magic properties to the royal bloodline, that make it important to protect it.
Do you know who had no reason to know that?
OL.
Do you know who had EVERY REASON to know that?
The freaking king of Atlantis.
Assuming Orin's bastard was the result of something other than him being blackout drunk, or having his half of the embryo harvested in his sleep, he should have at least checked on anyone he had sex with before if it was this much of a risk.
The fact that they are holding OL responsible for their own ignorance and incompetence is obscene.
Throwing away a friendship over something a friend does in anger isn't wise, but neither is being a pushover while you friend is using you as a scape goat for the results of their own failures.
Now isn't the time for it, but when this is resolved, I sincerely hope that someone calls them out on their bull-shit.
So apparently, not only is Orin throwing a temper tantrum over OL not checking to see whether he was ignorant of his own son, but so is Aqua Lad.
I get it with both of them.
Orin is emotionally compromised by his own failure to protect his progeny, and both of them are emotionally compromised by this risk to their people.
It doesn't make this any less pathetic.
In a order of responsibity for this situation, it would be:
Villains first.
Orin second.
OL last.
There was no reason for OL to peak in on Orin earlier and say: "hey man, I noticed you have a son on the surface world back when I panicked and spied on everyone, were you aware of that?"
Seriously, there is no way Orin is the only hero to produce a bastard and not know about it. OL isn't being expected to report everyone else's progeny to them.
The only reason it matters at all is that apparently there are special magic properties to the royal bloodline, that make it important to protect it.
Do you know who had no reason to know that?
OL.
Do you know who had EVERY REASON to know that?
The freaking king of Atlantis.
Assuming Orin's bastard was the result of something other than him being blackout drunk, or having his half of the embryo harvested in his sleep, he should have at least checked on anyone he had sex with before if it was this much of a risk.
The fact that they are holding OL responsible for their own ignorance and incompetence is obscene.
Throwing away a friendship over something a friend does in anger isn't wise, but neither is being a pushover while you friend is using you as a scape goat for the results of their own failures.
Now isn't the time for it, but when this is resolved, I sincerely hope that someone calls them out on their bull-shit.
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Getting Too Old For This...
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Honestly? I'm getting mad at everyone getting mad at Paul for not spilling what could have been an embarrassing family secret. I guaran-fucking-tee you people wouldn't be quite so self-righteous if it really did turn out that Aquaman cheated on his wife with some surface girl. And if he exposes that information... why respect privacy at all, why not air everyone's dirty laundry for all to see? Seriously, if there's one thing that really grinds my gears with these people, it's the total lack of emotional maturity. Grow the fuck up.
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Chaos, yet harmony. Death, yet the Force
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Eh, for Kaldur this is a Crisis Situation, and Paul's the one playing silly buggers. Paul hates Nabu, justifiably at that. Unfortunately, impeding him in this instance means that Orm is that much closer to unleashing Oceanus, thus dooming ALL OF ATLANTIS. Kaldur's kinda understandably not on board with any road blocks to that effect.
Aquaman being pissed makes a fair amount of sense too, but that's the result of him being emotionally compromised. Paul and Kaldur are going to need to talk this out afterwards, but they're both coming from fairly understandable perspectives. I expect that there's also a bit on Kaldur's part where he's got a bit more of a cultural respect for Nabu as Fate as an Atlantean than someone from the Surface World would.
Aquaman being pissed makes a fair amount of sense too, but that's the result of him being emotionally compromised. Paul and Kaldur are going to need to talk this out afterwards, but they're both coming from fairly understandable perspectives. I expect that there's also a bit on Kaldur's part where he's got a bit more of a cultural respect for Nabu as Fate as an Atlantean than someone from the Surface World would.
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Depends what you mean by 'pulling a Grayven'.
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Seeing is Believing
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Using decisive violence to solve his problem no matter what others think of it.
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Grayven: "No, no, no. It's not what you do that makes you Grayven, it's the attitude you convey while you do it. Anger and arrogance are good, very me. A sort of half-reluctant 'I did what I had to but I'm not proud of it' just doesn't fly."
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he's not super-rational about some stuff, Nabu likly assumes the reason OL dislikes him is because he's aligned with chaos rather than the body snatching. He's also seen Paul pull out all sorts of things that he would likely think were impossible before seeing them, s Something that would only kill him would be at least feasible.
He also knows if he went after OL the league would turn on him, and he finds being able to work with rather than aginst them very useful. He suspects OL is out to get him, but he's not going to take the first shot without proof or confidence he won't be found out.
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Renegade actions either killing someone while there is a peaceful solution, stealing or hoarding power for one's own gain, or generally being a dick with very to no regret.
Kaldur's anger stems from the fact that his people which include his family are in danger and that they very few leads to follow, he's also Aquaman's apprentice which makes him close to him to a degree, and it's more than likely that afterwards when the problem is dealt with he's likely to calm down a bit and try to discuss about what happened earlier. He also was/is a part of the military so it also counts as a threat to his homeland.
Quick question Mr. Zoat does Paul know who Kaldur's father is?
I find it funny that anything lovecraftian tends to involve creature from the deep and the episode focuses on the titan of the oceans,that and how Paul gets his friends to try some of his nerdier hobbies.
Kaldur's anger stems from the fact that his people which include his family are in danger and that they very few leads to follow, he's also Aquaman's apprentice which makes him close to him to a degree, and it's more than likely that afterwards when the problem is dealt with he's likely to calm down a bit and try to discuss about what happened earlier. He also was/is a part of the military so it also counts as a threat to his homeland.
Quick question Mr. Zoat does Paul know who Kaldur's father is?
I find it funny that anything lovecraftian tends to involve creature from the deep and the episode focuses on the titan of the oceans,that and how Paul gets his friends to try some of his nerdier hobbies.
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There's a line-break after "EE'H". Don't think it should be there.
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First of all, it doesn't seem likely that Shazam is a lord of order in this fic.
Someone said that Zoat said he wasn't, and Zoat's reply was "I said that?" and not "That's not true."
So Shazam is probably just a really old wizard with a really nice list of names in his rolodex.
Secondly, your proposal requires that 4 deities like John Freaking Constantine enough to entrust him as the middleman for their divine power.
So your plan is that the guy that virtually no one finds trustworthy or likeable and those who associate with him anyway suffer horrible horrible fates (which is admittedly a good part of why so few people like or trust him) can get four deities to risk suffering horrible horrible fates for a guy they have a 99.99 repeatedly likelihood of neither liking nor trusting.
Paul would have to search far and wide to find a candidate even less qualified for that plan.
Paul would in point of fact be a thousand times better off not using a middleman, since no such middleman is actually necessary, gods are perfectly capable of just blessing whoever they want. Theurgy isn't dependent on personal power, it's based on your ability to get those with power to help you out.
Wonder Woman? No middleman.
Now since Paul can't say Paul, and Zoat is probably unlikely to reveal his last name here, obviously Paul would just have to make the magic word- ZOAT!
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Zephyrus for speed?
Apollo for healing? Light powers? Prophecy?
Oceanus and Tethys, both being water deities, seems a little redundant.
I was thinking maybe Oannes, sure he's a babylonian deity, but he's got a Greek name making him Greek adjacent, and Paul seeking out the blessings of a deity of wisdom who gave mankind writing, art, and science seems very appropriate.
Not that Paul would be restricted to Greek deities anyway. As long as the deities are willing to cooperate there doesn't seem to be a limit on how many pantheons one's patrons come from.
It doesn't even need to be a god, or make sense!
I always liked that little scene.
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Thank you, corrected.
It was implied when Adom said "I have no great love for Lord of Order."
Gaea seemed at least ok with John when they brought the dryad to her grove. Ishtar, if she's a thing and a stripper somewhere, might be ok with him. Since Solomon could empower Shazam, there's no reason Map can't. Constantine could probably pitch in himself, not just as a middleman, with the power of the Laughing Magician position. Or Canis. Canis is a god, after all. And Adom could possibly hand something down. So you get Map-Adom-Gaea-Ishtar-Constantine for MAGIC.
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In a storyline in which Shazam was dead, Freddie Freeman was in a race with Sabina, a battle witch descended from Merlin, to gain the power without a middleman.
In that storyline it was revealed that the entities that Shazam acts as a middleman for are "Lords of Magic."
The lords of magic are not deities, but more conceptual like the Endless. They allow such deals as with Shazam because a champion embodying their concepts increases the presence of their concepts in the universe.
So Solomon who is the patron of Shazam is the concept of the wisdom, the Achilles who is a patron is the concept of the invincibility, just as Hercules is the concept of strength, Mercury is the concept of speed, Atlas as the concept of stamina, etc, etc.
Hercules the lord of magic is embodied on Earth as a latino convict, King Solomon is a female tattoo artist, etc.
And possibly not as hard to kill as gods, since Atlas was killed by Sabina with her dagger of "stab a bitch and steal their mojo."
Now the sword of nemesis can do the same thing, even on gods (Wonder Woman was the goddess of vengeance for all of five seconds thanks to it), but if you have a dagger of killing gods and stealing their power, why fight with Freddie to get the power of Shazam instead of just going highlander on any deity you can find?
Not that there is any indication that Zoat is using that here, because if so Teth Adom certainly hasn't noticed.
Sure Paul interacted with them, it's not like Paul has the occult chops to tell the difference between a deity and a conceptual entity of the same name.
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