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Sure they could. They could torture Lex Luthor to death. At this point, even with him helping them, he's proven far more of a liability to the species than a boon to it.
Ophidi-Scan could locate every one of the Light, and from there it's less than a moment to throw all of them bar Klarion into the sun. Klarion should be sorted first, but the rest can be executed straight after.
A Light board member is the current ruler of Hell.
You kill them and all you manage is to make Saturnus more powerful vis a vis the rest of the Light.

I do suspect that it's about to become a pressing foreign policy objective for OL/the League to arrange for the freedom of several of the other Lords of Hell.
Saturnus only gets to pull this shit because he isn't currently worrying about the other Demon Princes pulling their own power plays in Hell.
Freeing them would drastically cut down on the attention he can spare for foreign adventures, and it would also make the Light's staging grounds in hell much less secure.
You think her mother didn't?
She doesn't like to think about that.
 
Sure, unless you kill Satanus with the Sword of the Fallen, shit, kill them all with the Sword of the Fallen and none of them go to hell, or anywhere at all.
 
I do suspect that it's about to become a pressing foreign policy objective for OL/the League to arrange for the freedom of several of the other Lords of Hell.
I'm imagining the looks on the League's faces while OL tries to convince them that they need to invade Hell to liberate a Demon Lord or two.

Although the symmetry of the Light Renegade-side trying to unleash the King of Tears to destroy the League and OL Paragon-side trying to unleash the Lords of Hell to save the League is amusing.
 
I'm imagining the looks on the League's faces while OL tries to convince them that they need to invade Hell to liberate a Demon Lord or two.

Although the symmetry of the Light Renegade-side trying to unleash the King of Tears to destroy the League and OL Paragon-side trying to unleash the Lords of Hell to save the League is amusing.
Leader of that particular plan: John Constantine and his new overpowered lady friend. :D
 
Sure, unless you kill Satanus with the Sword of the Fallen, shit, kill them all with the Sword of the Fallen and none of them go to hell, or anywhere at all.
At least in the comics, two people who've been killed with the Sword showed up in the afterlife - the First of the Fallen reincarnated, the Demon Constantine (who, confusingly, was a golem at the time and not a demon) went to Hell.
 
First of the Fallen was a favourite of Gods, and only he can unmake something entirely. But I'm just going by what I'm reading Zoat has said about the effects of the sword. In this story. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but that's how I'm reading his description of the sword.
 
First of the Fallen was a favourite of Gods, and only he can unmake something entirely. But I'm just going by what I'm reading Zoat has said about the effects of the sword. In this story. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but that's how I'm reading his description of the sword.

No, that's the in character explanation used in the comics- That the First of the Fallen was reincarnated by God after being killed by the blade.

In this fic, the in character explanation as used by Paul the SI was that while the blade can kill anything, at a certain level it can't keep it dead- Resulting in reincarnation.

Zoat has never given any indication that Paul is incorrect on that account, and barring that, well as Zoat's self insert it's generally a good rule of thumb that Zoat will have a similar view on how things should work, and Zoat is the one writing the story.

For example, Paul was presented as thinking that wearing armor is a no brainer. Zoat didn't have Paul find out he's being wrong genre savvy with the revelation that armor is useless because it's not the rules of physics that determine who gets hurt but the rules of narrative causality.

Which, what with the time tailors, destiny's book, the Overmonitor, and people with author powers like Grant Morrison showing up in Animal Man and Doom Patrol, is lets face it closer to the truth in the DC franchise even if you don't want to really break the fourth wall.

Ditto with archery being a silly basis for a superhero. Using physics, absolutely, using narrative causality, it's good enough for the Justice League, Apokalips, New Genesis, and 853rd century Earth.

Which leads to the conclusion that Zoat wasn't interested in writing a story about an SI of his quantifying narrativium like he's in Ankh-Morpork.
 
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1) Once again the Best is shown to be the enemy of the Good. The wards Paul created are so impressive, so intricate and powerful that they can't be turned on because no one around is powerful enough to start them up. The team now has to wait until Chaos Lord John Constantine is a thing, or Eris can spare the time, or Canis can learn how to channel his divinity (speaking of, where the hell is he?)
So they develop mana infusers. It's not like we don't know they can, since the Renegade side has them. Or they ask the Dryad to ask her mommy to lend a hand.

You're making a mountain out of a molehill. The fact that Zatanna can't turn it on -right now- doesn't mean that she can't with some prep time.
It occurs to me with all the knowledge OL knows about magic and afterlives, I wonder if he'll incorporate a self assimilation into upon death in the Orange Corps. Maybe if he works with Ophidian he could find away to make it so they become more than just constructs.
I seem to recall that there was speculation, either in story or in the discussion about how it's likely that Paul would get sucked into the Orange Power Battery upon death. This is likely a result of the fact that he's got the Ophidian's heart where his soul should be, but he could probably figure out how to auto-assimilate ring slingers.

The bigger issue is if people would actually rather serve after death instead of moving on to their respective afterlives.
 
Hm, so the Paragon set of the Light includes:

Satanus
Luthor
Ocean Master
Brain

Possible:
Ra's
Klarion
Savage

I am unsure if any of these confederates really trust Satanus to house them comfortably in his Hell. Doing so would definitely make a lot of resources more vulnerable and end the cover of a lot of agents.

Maybe without Paul himself around a full scale decapitation strike could work. But consider the people they'd need to strike.

Superman, the flying, invulnerable, super-sensed person with a shield against Kryptonite in his belt.

Wonder Woman, who is invulnerable, a warrior without peer, generally powerful, and spends significant time on Paradise Island.

Flash, who could be traveling around at super speed at any given moment.

The Green Lanterns, who are often not on Earth.

Aquaman, who spends most of his time as a king in the center of an increasingly powerful nation.

Martian Manhunter, the phasing shape shifting telepath who is invulnerable to a lot of attacks.

Captain Marvel, who when powered is virtually unkillable and has supernatural wisdom and speed flooding his mind as well as multiple people with his set.

Doctor Fate, who probably doesn't sleep and is always nearly invulnerable.

One would need to assemble something like ten teams with multiple heavy hitters to all attack at roughly the same time, and people to reliably hit a lot of allies and secondary characters, to prevent some really massive threats of severe retaliation. This would be a significantly larger project than what Truggs pulled off so far. One also has to consider retaliation by largely non-affiliated actors who would be frightened of the Light such as SHADE (if that's not subverted) and the Great 10.

Now, the Light winning a full scale war is plausible, but doing so without risking everything they do have is another matter. Then there's concerns of leaks that need to be considered, would they be able to organize something so significant, making so many contacts, marshal so much resources, without the League realizing something was amiss? Maybe, but if the League is prepared for an attack the mission becomes even harder.

The forces that were sent after the League in this arc were comparatively cheap and expendable. Forces that could actually pull off all of the assassinations would by necessity require categorically different recruitment methods.

I think it looks like this was not only not a mission of killing the League, it does not look a lot like what that crisis event would look like. The resources deployed here could have bitten a good chunk out of the League as an opening gambit, but that is nothing close to a victory for the Light.

All of this is ignoring the fact that Paragon Orange Lantern could probably make 20 Danner Enhanciles and 20 Flashes in about an hour for a Revenge Platoon and put the Light in the red as far as total progress towards defeating competing influences for the fate of humanity.
 
Wouldn't the simpler solution be to get Zatanna and Kaldur, maybe a couple other friendly mages if needed, to work together to charge the wards?

After what happened in Poseidonis, Atlantean Magic is suspect: It's Known it can be casually bypassed by the Light, ergo if it's used in the new wards they can be casually Bypassed by the Light

Actually, the Lords had a lot of rules. Even the Syndicate has standards. A better questions is: What would the Authority do?

Have a Party, Get drunk, and stagger off somewhere else after a lot of vomiting and some casual murder. Not exactly seeing the Oppression here.
 
Superman's talking bullshit in that comic. Most people who die stay dead, and given the lack of screentime the Ultramarines have they probably aren't fighting anyone with an easy out.

Also, in cases where that does apply, not only would it make killing fail, it would also make imprisonment or pretty much anything else fail. He mentioned time travel--someone who is imprisoned can come back by time travel as easily as someone who is dead. (Outside of the Silver Age.)
 
Superman, the flying, invulnerable, super-sensed person with a shield against Kryptonite in his belt.
No such thing as invulnerable. Also, they don't know about the belt.
Wonder Woman, who is invulnerable, a warrior without peer, generally powerful, and spends significant time on Paradise Island.
It isn't called that on Earth 16.
Actually when talking about their plans for Dr Fate, there was no mention of his cape giving him the basic superman package. So it seems the safe bet that he has no such abilities in this fic.
Nabu only has the physical abilities of Mister Zatara while occupying his body. He can however shield himself very easily with magic.
 
A Paul in a setting in which JLA/Power Rangers crossover happens would of course use the ring to copy the power morphers. :)

Paul's universe probably wouldn't have a morphing grid, but perhaps the morphogenic field can be used as substitute...

I meant the Girl Genius one, but that one would be good too...
 
Nabu only has the physical abilities of Mister Zatara while occupying his body. He can however shield himself very easily with magic.

Well at least he's not making himself at home by encoding magic into Zatarra's very DNA.

Did you read the Tim Hunter storyline with the genetically engineered magic?

It was established in Tim Hunter's adventures that magic can be encoded into DNA by spelling out the power words of magic with the C, A, G, and T of DNA.

I'm not sure if all power words can be spelled out that way, but apparently it works for merlin/magic, evil, and Enoch (an angel's name).

Not that I'm holding my breath on Paul playing with this, since he hasn't even done anything with the metagene.

Does make me wonder what a Paul designed magic person would look like ability wise, and wondering how a Grayven designed magic person would differ.

No such thing as invulnerable. Also, they don't know about the belt.

While admittedly most "invulnerable" beings in the DC franchise are just superhumanly resistant to damage rather than invulnerable, there are a few exceptions.

Like Kelly with his eye, and I think Bork from Power Company.

Bork is a Juggernaut type, the heroes defeated him in his backstory by throwing the idol of the god who blessed him into the sun.

Or are you using the literal definition here, and saying that no one is incapable of laughing every type of attack?

I mean I presume Kelly would have been in for a nasty surprise from an antimagic round.
 
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Also, they don't know about the belt.

I'm guessing the League learned a bit and figured that some key facets of their new improvements should be kept out of the databanks just in case? Supes having his new belt, for example, is something they can just remember and won't be a problem if they forget or new inductees aren't told straight away.
 
As far as magic goes Paul is primarily making sure the general populace understands very basic and important rules about using magic while show pure and innovated ways magic can used for normal things or combined with mundane technology. Since everyone can do magic with enough training it's the very specialized styles of magic will probably get attention and how to spread them similar to creating special metals, Atlantean biomagics, and alchemy.

I can see Grayven trying to create a new magical species or biological graphing magic onto people, especially in order to fight magical threats or to support the more mundane fighters to help even the odds.

I wonder if the cave becoming compromised will become another trend; along with Paul's various mental trips, Paul dropping news bombs when people least expect it, Paul attracting the attention of a female character and dropping the ball, the bad guys pulling crazy ideas out of their collective asses, and the various reactions he gets from others who hear about his heroic shenanigans.
 
@Mr Zoat what is the current make up of the Light for Paragon and Renegade universes. Each member of the Light tends to fulfil a specific role with replacements being those who can take their place. In Renegade Grayven can replace Queen Bee or Ocean Master by having access to a nation's work of resources whereas Mordru replaces Klarion by being a powerful magic user.

Paragon:
  1. Vandal Savage
  2. <Unknown> (formerly Ra's Al Ghul)
  3. Lex Luthur
  4. <Unknown> (formerly Queen Bee)
  5. <Unknown> (formerly Ocean Master)
  6. Brain
  7. Klarion
Missing: Satanus
Renegade:
  1. Vandal Savage
  2. Ra's Al Ghul
  3. Lex Luthur
  4. <Unknown> (formerly Queen Bee)
  5. <Unknown> (formerly Ocean Master)
  6. Brain
  7. Mordru (formerly Klarion)
Missing: Grayven
 
@Mr Zoat what is the current make up of the Light for Paragon and Renegade universes?
L-1: Vandal Savage
L-2: Ra's al Ghul
L-3: Lex Luthor
L-4: Queen Bee (First name: Beena. Used Beatrice while at school)
L-5: Ocean Master
L-6: Brain (Marcel Durant)
L-7: Klarion
L-8: Collin Thornton
L-9: Boss Smiler
L-10: Savitar
L-1: Vandal Savage
L-2: Ra's al Ghul
L-3: Lex Luthor
L-4: Queen Bee (First name: Beena. Used Beatrice while at school)
L-5: Ocean Master

L-6: Brain (Marcel Durant)
L-7: Klarion
L-8: Grayven
L-9: Mordru
 
L-1: Vandal Savage
L-2: Ra's al Ghul
L-3: Lex Luthor
L-4: Queen Bee (First name: Beena. Used Beatrice while at school)
L-5: Ocean Master
L-6: Brain (Marcel Durant)
L-7: Klarion
L-8: Collin Thornton
L-9: Boss Smiler
L-10: Savitar
L-1: Vandal Savage
L-2: Ra's al Ghul
L-3: Lex Luthor
L-4: Queen Bee (First name: Beena. Used Beatrice while at school)
L-5: Ocean Master

L-6: Brain (Marcel Durant)
L-7: Klarion
L-8: Grayven
L-9: Mordru
Why did the SI pick up 3 after only losing 2?
 
I seem to recall that there was speculation, either in story or in the discussion about how it's likely that Paul would get sucked into the Orange Power Battery upon death.
OL said that he suspects that that's what would happen, and that he was actually fine with the option as an afterlife as long as Larfleeze was dealt with first. Since spending eternity listening to Larfleeze gibber would suck.

The bigger issue is if people would actually rather serve after death instead of moving on to their respective afterlives.
It probably depends on the afterlife in question.

Zombie!Orm may have become a member again, but may not have.
Zombie!Orm: "Braaaain, BRAIIINNN!"

Brain: "Make him stop doing that! He keeps gnawing on my casing, and it smudges."

Luthor: "I think we didn't get the resurrection quite right."
 
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