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I wonder where Best Kitty and the Sphere were during all these shenanigans.
It would have been all sorts of hilarious if Trugg's men had run into an irritable Teekl when they showed up at the Mountain.
 
It occurs to me with all the knowledge OL knows about magic and afterlives, I wonder if he'll incorporate a self assimilation into upon death in the Orange Corps. Maybe if he works with Ophidian he could find away to make it so they become more than just constructs.


Edit: On topic, have they made any progess into making magic batteries? Seems like the perfect use. Get a few mana batteries to safely jump start the system.
 
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Wouldn't the simpler solution be to get Zatanna and Kaldur, maybe a couple other friendly mages if needed, to work together to charge the wards?
It might work, especially if synergetic effects are in play (ie two mages working together can channel more power than the sum of their two separate channeling abilities), but, if I remember correctly, Zatanna is the most powerful of Team's mages (in terms of pure power), and she said that the wards are way too much for her.

Still, yeah, that is something to try.
 
I would probably argue that lethal countermeasures are a stupid idea.
Someone will figure out how to subvert them, or there will be an error, or some wiseass will tag a legitimate visitor coming to the Mountain with magic or tech that trips the defenses and it will kill them.

By all means, make them nasty as you want.
Just keep it non-lethal; easier to reverse incapacitation than death.
 
Not sure if this is a function of Wally being an 'older-class' superhero vs the other 3 (OL, Zatanna, Artemis), or his relative youth and cheerful upbringing, but he... doesn't seem to want to actually consider that his enemies are actually vicious murderers. It comes across like he's still subconsciously thinking of it as a kind of game (Robin also does this occasionally), whereas the others have a grimmer view of their 'job'.
Wallace is a ginger and Richard is a carny.
 
Not sure if this is a function of Wally being an 'older-class' superhero vs the other 3 (OL, Zatanna, Artemis), or his relative youth and cheerful upbringing, but he... doesn't seem to want to actually consider that his enemies are actually vicious murderers. It comes across like he's still subconsciously thinking of it as a kind of game (Robin also does this occasionally), whereas the others have a grimmer view of their 'job'.
Wally comes from Central City, where even their worst villains have a code when dealing with civies and superheroes. The worst we've seen of a Flash villain was when Klarion was bossing Kadabra.
Robin is being raised by Batdad, who attempts to shield him.

Of the other three?

Artemis' father, sister and mother were street-level supervillains, and both her father and sister had bodycounts.
Zatanna was trained in magic, which is not the cleanest of disciplines at the best of times, by her father, who was a sometime acquaintance of John Constantine. Her mother died to an incident gone bad, her father was literally bodyjacked by a fuckpowerful lich.

And OL is OL.
None of them are under any illusions about how bad things could get.
 
4) And the Team really can't and shouldn't sleep well at night. Because Light's plans could change at a minute's notice, and, as Truggs said, right now League has no leverage. They couldn't even retaliate, really, if everyone they loved were killed, along with most of them.
Actually that's another reason for Lex Luthor to worry; unlike the rest of the Light, he and his power base are right out in the open and could be smashed flat on short notice if something happened that caused the heroes to stop caring about the rules.

Come to think of it, with Truggs there they know about assimilation; so they know that a no-rules OL could just assimilate Luthor and learn everything he knows about the Light.
 
Actually that's another reason for Lex Luthor to worry; unlike the rest of the Light, he and his power base are right out in the open and could be smashed flat on short notice if something happened that caused the heroes to stop caring about the rules.

Come to think of it, with Truggs there they know about assimilation; so they know that a no-rules OL could just assimilate Luthor and learn everything he knows about the Light.
I simply assume that OL's week plus as the Ophidian, when he casually turned the moon around, made an impression.
As did what he did to Ra's.
And there are three or four other Lanterns, some of whom are offworld at any given time, and thus you can't get them all at once; the equivalent of SSBNs.

No point going after the small fry if it gets the big guns to go gloves off.
Especially if you have stuff invested in the world as it is that will get wrecked if they do.
Klarion might not care; Luthor and the Brain will.
 
They couldn't even retaliate, really, if everyone they loved were killed, along with most of them.
Sure they could. They could torture Lex Luthor to death. At this point, even with him helping them, he's proven far more of a liability to the species than a boon to it.

Ophidi-Scan could locate every one of the Light, and from there it's less than a moment to throw all of them bar Klarion into the sun. Klarion should be sorted first, but the rest can be executed straight after.

Or, as mentioned; Assimilate Lex Luthor, grab the rest and torture them to death. Those who refuse to die can be thrown into a black hole.
 
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Sure they could. They could torture Lex Luthor to death. At this point, even with him helping them, he's proven far more of a liability to the species than a boon to it.

Ophidi-Scan could locate every one of the Light, and from there it's less than a moment to throw all of them bar Klarion into the sun. Klarion should be sorted first, but the rest can be executed straight after.

Or, as mentioned; Assimilate Lex Luthor, grab the rest and torture them to death. Those who refuse to die can be thrown into a black hole.


..Umm...what.
 
Sure they could. They could torture Lex Luthor to death. At this point, even with him helping them, he's proven far more of a liability to the species than a boon to it.

Ophidi-Scan could locate every one of the Light, and from there it's less than a moment to throw all of them bar Klarion into the sun. Klarion should be sorted first, but the rest can be executed straight after.

Or, as mentioned; Assimilate Lex Luthor, grab the rest and torture them to death. Those who refuse to die can be thrown into a black hole.
The issue here is that Satanus is the de facto ruler of Hell right now; not only does that mean the Light could just evacuate there if pressed, it also means that a gloves-off Light could just start ripping open Hellgates in major metropolitan areas, or otherwise just wreck Earth out of spite if they start to think ruling the place isn't in the cards anymore.

Worse, in the situation @Yog proposes, the attempted Light takedown would be the work of a handful of surviving Leaguers, with all the rest being dead and most of their infrastructure either compromised or destroyed outright.
 
While a terrible tactic for gaining intelligence, torture remains amongst the best methods of ensuring the person you are killing dies horribly.

Also, we're not talking about removing these people from society because they are on the balance of judgement, bad for it. We're talking about taking vengeance for their murdering our loved ones and most of our comrades. Yes, torture is an evil. I think most of us agree with that sentiment. But this is one of those times when most people are willing to just take off the civilised costume we wear and go ape shit beyond the pale.

The issue here is that Satanus is the de facto ruler of Hell right now; not only does that mean the Light could just evacuate there if pressed, it also means that a gloves-off Light could just start ripping open Hellgates in major metropolitan areas, or otherwise just wreck Earth out of spite if they start to think ruling the place isn't in the cards anymore.
A very good point. Have Hades curse them with eternal life in Tartarus.
Then torture them until your sensibilities come back and you start feeling disgusted with yourself.
 
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Actually, someone of OLs power and creativity, if he went off the deep end, with Ophidians help, would be far worse than the Justice Lords.
 
I wonder where Best Kitty and the Sphere were during all these shenanigans.
It would have been all sorts of hilarious if Trugg's men had run into an irritable Teekl when they showed up at the Mountain.
Teekl was out, the Sphere was with the Frees.
Artemis' father, sister and mother were street-level supervillains, and both her father and sister had bodycounts.
You think her mother didn't?
The issue here is that Satanus is the de facto ruler of Hell right now; not only does that mean the Light could just evacuate there if pressed, it also means that a gloves-off Light could just start ripping open Hellgates in major metropolitan areas, or otherwise just wreck Earth out of spite if they start to think ruling the place isn't in the cards anymore.
That wouldn't be quite as easy as you're implying.
While a terrible tactic for gaining intelligence, torture remains amongst the best methods of ensuring the person you are killing dies horribly.
Donald! I didn't know you were a fan!
To put it more simply: What would the Justice Lords do? Because that's what a no-rules JL looks like. It's not very nice.
Actually, the Lords had a lot of rules. Even the Syndicate has standards. A better questions is: What would the Authority do?
 
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It might work, especially if synergetic effects are in play (ie two mages working together can channel more power than the sum of their two separate channeling abilities), but, if I remember correctly, Zatanna is the most powerful of Team's mages (in terms of pure power), and she said that the wards are way too much for her.

Still, yeah, that is something to try.

Someone refresh my memory- Did something happen to the Star Sapphire? The source of effectively infinitely renewable energy Paul gave her to tap for her magic?

Surely she's learned how to do that without turning into a psycho yandere with an urge to crystalize the entire planet by now.

...I might have to write that AU.

A Paul in a setting in which JLA/Power Rangers crossover happens would of course use the ring to copy the power morphers. :)

Paul's universe probably wouldn't have a morphing grid, but perhaps the morphogenic field can be used as substitute...
 
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Donald! I didn't know you were a fan!
Oh please. If I were in Donald Trumps place, I'd be far worse. I'm actually competent. I'd also be far better, because I have close to zero drive anymore, and it would take a shitload to drive me to the position where I'd be okay with torture. So I'd end up with a reputation like Jimmy Carter, doing as much work as William Henry Harrison.
 
Someone refresh my memory- Did something happen to the Star Sapphire? The source of effectively infinitely renewable energy Paul gave her to tap for her magic?

Surely she's learned how to do that without turning into a psycho yandere with an urge to crystalize the entire planet by now.



A Paul in a setting in which JLA/Power Rangers crossover happens would of course use the ring to copy the power morphers. :)
I think they are keeping the Saphire secret for Nabu encounter.
Actually, the Lords has a lot of rules. Even the Syndicate has standards. A better questions is: What would the Authority do?
Paul interacting with Authority would be intereating to say the least. Especially with Engineer.
 
Paul interacting with Authority would be intereating to say the least. Especially with Engineer.

The Authority is far more Renegade compliant.

I think WildC.A.T.S. would be more palatable to a paragon Paul, less trigger happy, and Spartan wants to use his company to change the world.

That is, if one doesn't want to stick Paul with another teen team like say the Authoriteens (alternate universe teen Authority).
 
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Someone refresh my memory- Did something happen to the Star Sapphire? The source of effectively infinitely renewable energy Paul gave her to tap for her magic?

Surely she's learned how to do that without turning into a psycho yandere with an urge to crystalize the entire planet by now.

It is probably at Shadowcrest. Testing it with it in the staff (that Septian made?) seemed to go well, allowing Zatanna to recharge from it without all the side effects wielding it would normally have.

You know... maybe I'm waaaaay too invested in WTR, but this episode has actually bothered me a bit. As much or more than when the YJ team blew up the mountain in season 2, or at the end with Wallace.

Edit: autocorrect fix.
 
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You know... maybe I'm waaaaay too invested in WTR, but this episode has actually bothered me a bit. As much or more than when the YJ team blew up the mountain in season 2, out at the end with Wallace.

Perhaps, perhaps it's the nature of the event.

In the cartoon, as you noted, the mountain base blew up. Even though it was no accident, it kind of has the feel of a natural disaster- destroyed is destroyed whether it's by fire, hurricane, flood, whatever. It's just destruction. When something is destroyed, you just build another.

But this, this was defilement. You can't just fix the defilement by tidying up, their safe space was taken from them.
 
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