Behold. Also known as a wake up call. A scary wake up call.
With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
- Thread starter Mr Zoat
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The level of fusing required to go Paulphidian is probably where it becomes too risky. Anyway, it's a story breaker, so it becoming common place would just ruin things.
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- madison
yeah, trying to prove the league is inadequate with single big flashy attacks is stupid when concentration of force is the league's greatest asset. It's like trying to prove that there is too much focus on tanks by conducting a wargame aginst armored opposition on open plains. Some sort of widely distributed attack would work much better, It would even be an easier sell to the public. getting them to buy "superman can't be everhwere." is a lot easier than "superman can't protect you." and also has the benefit of remaining true even if superman increase the public perception of how strong he is.
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- Somewhere out there
Granted, but then why does he have to return to base to recharge? Shouldn't establishing the link have permitted him to use standard subspace storage and therefore carry it around wherever he goes?
I'm not quite sure what this is supposed to be saying. It sounds like his hand is vanishing, and I can't figure out what else "it" might be referring to.
It's--
--yeah, that, exactly letter-for-letter how I was going to present it.
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- Earth, 3rd rock from the Sun
Because other Lantern Corps members who store their personal lanterns in their rings have an actual Corps they can get replacements from if the Ring/Lantern combo gets stolen. OL does not have that AND recently got his ring stolen, only getting it back because he could recall it from the separately stored lantern. And also recently had the entire contents of stuff stored in the ring 'borrowed' by the Silvana twins. His personal experience points against storing it in a ring he takes on missions, even if it may in fact actually be the best place for it. Like he is the guy that know all about the statistics about Plane vs Car safety but does not care, because it was the plane that went down on him, twice. So until he has more than one lantern, the one he has is staying safe at base, ThankYouVeryMuch!
Additionally, his Lantern also has an Emotional Embodiment living inside it, unlike other lanterns. I do not know if that would be an issue in mobile subspace storage or not, but OL seems to be conservative when it comes to stuff like that, just in case.
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- Somewhere out there
How does he get the lantern out of the vacuole without the ring, then? Seems like subspacing it at all would be a bad idea if he's worried about losing both rings. This also assumes that he can't have multiple subspace pockets, and that he can't make a backup pocket access device -- which he'd want ANYWAY in the event that his rings get completely drained.
I do find it mildly amusing that we're on the opposite sides of this debate compared to the usual, BrambleThorn.
shepsquared
Erratic Aussie
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- Melbourne, Australia
Presumably the Ophidian does it - she did it on her own with no prompting when Truggs stole the ring afterallHow does he get the lantern out of the vacuole without the ring, then? Seems like subspacing it at all would be a bad idea if he's worried about losing both rings. This also assumes that he can't have multiple subspace pockets, and that he can't make a backup pocket access device -- which he'd want ANYWAY in the event that his rings get completely drained.
I do find it mildly amusing that we're on the opposite sides of this debate compared to the usual, BrambleThorn.
lancelot
Completely worth it
Let me put it this way if this kind of shit is going on constantly there's not a chance in hell he'll be able to spare the time is set up his trap for dr. Fate. If getting the time and resources necessary to finally free Zatara from fate I really don't use going to hold back on a bunch of feelings what about the plans yet another mass murder on a global scale.
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- Earth, 3rd rock from the Sun
I am assuming this is a physical possession (and time) implies assess, even if he cannot currently open the pocket the Lantern is in without a Ring. Like he could ask a Silvana for a favor, or one the the Green Lanterns, telling them the sequence that locked it so they could open in, or simply asking the Ophidian to open the door since she is there too. Or maybe he does have that separate Subspace key you mentioned pre-built (this is a bit of a double edged sword, however)
If I was doing it, the 'key' would be a recognition system inside the subspace pocked scanning through that 2 nanometer wide hole. Like it scans brain activity, and the seizure activity OL has when he tries to think his name, occurring in scanning range, triggers the ringless unlock protocol.
Yes, I see no reason he cannot have multiple subspace pockets but that is irrelevant to whether the ring is best stored in a secure location, or inside a ring kept on his person. Ideally he would incorporate multiple subspace pockets into his security (the charging area is protected by technological and magical means from observation, he charges in private, and there is a array of a thousand some subspace pockets, one of which has the Lantern and all of which are boobytrapped.)
Mostly I see this as a "How many baskets do you store your eggs in?" situation. If he looses the Lantern (Now With Ophidian Inside™) & the Rings (a reasonable consequence if he is captured), he is S.O.L. AND whoever captured him has the set. If he looses the Rings, he can go to the Lantern and do a recall. Or he can try some "shit just hit the fan" comic trope stuff, like try to use the Lantern as a large power ring to wield the orange light, and need a ring enough that instead of construct railguns, he makes a construct ring. Or summon Teeki/Reds Father/a Praxis Demon and use them as a ring. Stuff that he has not done before, but is theoretically possible.
Or if the Lantern is stolen he has two ring's remaining charge to get it back. And the possibility of learning to convert other sources of energy into Orange Light because now he has incentive to learn. Or use the rings connection to Orange Light to contact Ophidian and let her out.
Basically, he has more options. Even though they are crappy options, they are still better then the options loosing all his Orange Light Gear at the same time would leave him with. Which would be his power armor (unrepairable), Crumbler Rounds (cannot easily make more) and Avarice Enlightenment (Possibility of contacting Ophidian even without a source of Orange Light, through his soul/her heart.)
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- Somewhere out there
I have no reason to believe that he would be using a vacuole with a realspace anchor now that his lantern has an OCPB connection. It just presents a security vulnerability for no benefit.
- Location
- Pittsburgh, PA
To try and build on what I think @lancelot's point in his last post was, the events of this episode are rather game-changing. The Light just openly attacked JL members in their own homes, temporarily seized the Watchtower (and did God knows what to it), targeted family of a JL member, looted Mount Justice, unleashed an ancient spirit of famine in a major metropolitan area, and stole a royal relic from Atlantis.
All of that in the same day.
Now they're prepping to unleash the Titan of the Seas in an apparent bid to kill the Justice League outright, and the likely collateral damage from Oceanus fighting them includes large swathes of Atlantean territory and Metropolis.
Barring Roanoke, this is the most active the Light have ever been, and they don't seem to have any plans of going dark again any time soon. Worse, they've escalated by going after King Orin's son, which combines "making it personal" and "screwing directly with a global power" into one highly volatile package.
What I expect to happen is that their plans with Oceanus will go badly awry, resulting in a devastating loss for the Light that then opens them up to further attack from OL, the League, or some other power (and opening the way for Lex to turn his coat and further accelerate their downfall), because just by trying they've crossed the line from "supervillain organization" to "clear and present danger to humanity as a whole". By the time the dust settles, the Light has lost enough of its resources & infrastructure that the League writes them off as being well and truly beaten, and even OL considers them to be weakened to the point where he can safely finish things with Nabu and then go meet the Controllers.
However, enough of the Light's leadership (likely including Satanus) go to ground that during his absence, they start building up again, eventually bringing down the Reach as part of a desperate gambit to push the situation back in their favor - which likely backfires in short order. Cue OL returning in time to try and clean up the mess.
All of that in the same day.
Now they're prepping to unleash the Titan of the Seas in an apparent bid to kill the Justice League outright, and the likely collateral damage from Oceanus fighting them includes large swathes of Atlantean territory and Metropolis.
Barring Roanoke, this is the most active the Light have ever been, and they don't seem to have any plans of going dark again any time soon. Worse, they've escalated by going after King Orin's son, which combines "making it personal" and "screwing directly with a global power" into one highly volatile package.
What I expect to happen is that their plans with Oceanus will go badly awry, resulting in a devastating loss for the Light that then opens them up to further attack from OL, the League, or some other power (and opening the way for Lex to turn his coat and further accelerate their downfall), because just by trying they've crossed the line from "supervillain organization" to "clear and present danger to humanity as a whole". By the time the dust settles, the Light has lost enough of its resources & infrastructure that the League writes them off as being well and truly beaten, and even OL considers them to be weakened to the point where he can safely finish things with Nabu and then go meet the Controllers.
However, enough of the Light's leadership (likely including Satanus) go to ground that during his absence, they start building up again, eventually bringing down the Reach as part of a desperate gambit to push the situation back in their favor - which likely backfires in short order. Cue OL returning in time to try and clean up the mess.
The Endless seem to be rules-based-magic*entities, as evidenced by things like the "ancient rules", while the Ophidian is an energy based comic-book-science Entity. So both the methods and effects of trapping them are different. In this case, an important difference is that while she was trapped, she was the exactly opposite of cut off from the Orange Light; she was in the OCBP. So any potential negative consequences of cutting her off from the Orange Light didn't happen.
*That is, the type of magic where it's not about throwing lots of energy around, instead everything works on "If-X-Is-Done Then Y-Happens" rules.
*That is, the type of magic where it's not about throwing lots of energy around, instead everything works on "If-X-Is-Done Then Y-Happens" rules.
He's a hologram, and was sticking the image of his hand out of range of the projector and watching it vanish.
lancelot
Completely worth it
Basically this the entire couple of Snippets we've just had was as close as a terrorist organization which is what the light is can come to declaring war against the entire goddamn planet. At least he'll be war against the entire planet after they set off their little kill everything that happens to share a coast with the Atlantic Ocean plan right now they've just basically declared war against the Justice League and anybody remotely related to them and Atlantis.
This basically means that with the mass of escalation the light has just provoked Orange Lantern if he actually wants to do anything concerning most of his current abilities have been countered and one way or the other needs to step up his God damn game. As for them bringing the region somehow I don't see that happening considering Truggs went back in time in order to try to stop it. That means he would have worn the light about exactly how fucking stupid it is to deal with the reach and less she's killed in this upcoming fight if the light try to deal with the rich anyways trucks will go out of his way to murder the fuck out of the rest of them in the most brutal and painful way possible which isn't surprising considering he's all but completely insane.
Titanfall (part 4)
- Location
- Hampden Park
18th June
15:03 GMT -5
"Dude…"
Wallace openly gawks at what I've done to the hangar. Richard does a quick sweep of the place then looks down, wincing slightly.
"Ah, are you.. okay?"
Kon's a sweetie.
I float down from the mountain's hangar entrance towards him, Wolf and M'gann. I've been adding a selectively permeable force shield to the blast doors which I've already upgraded.
"No. No, not really. I've got a nasty feeling that Batman's going to be telling me to strip all of this stuff out when he's finished in Canada."
Richard looks up at me. "You might have gone a bit overboard, Oh El."
I frown, then shake my head. "No, I don't think so."
"No?" He takes a boomerang from his utility belt and throws it upwards. It makes it two metres before a dematerialiser locks on and eliminates it in a puff of green. "That looks a lot like lethal force to me."
"What? The system can distinguish between devices and people. The Light know where we live now. As far as I'm concerned, it was this or move house. And I'm not moving house for these people." Hm. "And anyway, Rhode Island law is quite clear on the subject of home defence against armed invaders. The Reds came in via the sea entrance and Truggs' people phased through the walls. And stole everything that wasn't nailed down."
"Um..?" M'gann shakily raises her right hand. "How do you know that? I mean, no one was here and you said they destroyed all the recording equipment."
"You know how I don't assimilate sentients?" Oh, for goodness sake Wallace. Really? "No." I shake my head and roll my eyes. "One of the Saremites who took part in the attack went for my personal lantern. Where the Ophidian lives."
"Ohhh."
"We've been having a bit of a chat. Oh, ah, M'gann? Don't try phasing through the walls anymore."
She looks rather nervous. "What happens if I do?"
"Probably nothing, maybe it hurts a lot and you get forcibly ejected."
"Oh." She gives me a small smile. "I thought it would be something-"
"Except the outer walls, which would probably kill you. Certainly, you'd lose whatever body part you stuck in."
The smile vanishes. "-like that."
"Oh, come on." I land just before them. "How often do you actually phase through the outer walls anyway?"
"Well, I'm not doing it now."
Kon shifts uncomfortably. "You put anything anti-Kryptonian in here?"
"I rebuilt the vertigo inducers, but Kryptonians have never been the most subtle people. I was really trying to make it impossible for anyone to ever get the drop on us again." I glance over at the rebuilt zeta tubes. "Kaldur not with you?"
Wallace has resumed peering around, trying to spot any other changes I might have made. What with the complete lack of bare stone in here anymore he's rather spoilt for choice. "Nah, he wanted to stay on in Poseidonis. Tula and Garth too."
"Oh well. I'll just have to get Zatanna to empower the new magic defences."
Richard's face has gone rather still. "Aaand.. what do those do?"
"Well, the existing geomantic wards only blocked scrying and detection. Since everyone knows where we are, all those were doing was preventing them from monitoring what we're doing day by day, which… Basically pointless. The new version incorporates a rather interesting spiritual prison effect. If the attacker doesn't know what they're doing, it sucks magic -and eventually their whole soul- out of their body."
"Ah… You don't… Actually mean..?"
"Alright, it's more like it locks it away from their body. It's not an instant death, and it would be very obvious to any magic user inside the mountain what had happened. On the other hand, Rhode Island law theoretically treats magic attack in exactly the same way as any other attack… So legally it's cool."
M'gann looks a little nervous as well. "You can.. do.. magic..?"
My forearms rise until they're at right angles to my body. My palms are upwards and orange light drifts down, swirling about my feet and solidifying into meaningless but impressive looking symbols. "I have been trying to orchestrate a magitech revolution. I've picked a few things up, a few designs. Once they're active, the Mountain will be proof against anything short of utterly overwhelming force."
Kon nods. "So, are the bathrooms working?"
"Yes, the bathrooms are working. I also took the opportunity to remodel the showers."
"Uh. They wrecked the showers?"
"They wrecked everything they didn't steal." I dismiss the mystic mumbo-jumbo and hold out my right hand towards Wallace. "Souvenirs of past missions?"
He looks pained, his mouth falling open. "Uh?"
"Smashed or taken."
Richard blinks. "The armory? Your workshop?"
"Looted and written off."
M'gann's eyes widen. "My..? My room?" Kon puts his right arm around her and she puts her hands on his arm.
"Some sort of incendiary. I restored as much as I could remember. I hope you…" My eyes flick to Kon and then back. "Backed up your school work."
There's a moment of silence.
Richard looks thoughtful. "So the attacks against the League and the Team were to keep us from noticing that we couldn't reach the Watchtower and to keep us away from Atlantis. But it was also to make sure that there wouldn't be anyone here."
"Good job there wasn't, actually. The Saremite said the attacking group consisted of twelve of Truggs' men and fifty or so other Saremites. I might have been able to fight that off, but there wouldn't be much left of them or of the mountain afterwards."
Wallace looks at me askance. "Hey, how come they didn't get your gun or your sword?"
"I kept those in my room. Tubbs isn't clever enough to have reported the state of the mountain to me if I didn't specifically instruct him to. They might actually have still been here when he flew through."
Richard looks around once more. "You've certainly.. done everything you can to stop them doing anything like that again. Why don't you.. show us what else you've done with the place?"
15:03 GMT -5
"Dude…"
Wallace openly gawks at what I've done to the hangar. Richard does a quick sweep of the place then looks down, wincing slightly.
"Ah, are you.. okay?"
Kon's a sweetie.
I float down from the mountain's hangar entrance towards him, Wolf and M'gann. I've been adding a selectively permeable force shield to the blast doors which I've already upgraded.
"No. No, not really. I've got a nasty feeling that Batman's going to be telling me to strip all of this stuff out when he's finished in Canada."
Richard looks up at me. "You might have gone a bit overboard, Oh El."
I frown, then shake my head. "No, I don't think so."
"No?" He takes a boomerang from his utility belt and throws it upwards. It makes it two metres before a dematerialiser locks on and eliminates it in a puff of green. "That looks a lot like lethal force to me."
"What? The system can distinguish between devices and people. The Light know where we live now. As far as I'm concerned, it was this or move house. And I'm not moving house for these people." Hm. "And anyway, Rhode Island law is quite clear on the subject of home defence against armed invaders. The Reds came in via the sea entrance and Truggs' people phased through the walls. And stole everything that wasn't nailed down."
"Um..?" M'gann shakily raises her right hand. "How do you know that? I mean, no one was here and you said they destroyed all the recording equipment."
"You know how I don't assimilate sentients?" Oh, for goodness sake Wallace. Really? "No." I shake my head and roll my eyes. "One of the Saremites who took part in the attack went for my personal lantern. Where the Ophidian lives."
"Ohhh."
"We've been having a bit of a chat. Oh, ah, M'gann? Don't try phasing through the walls anymore."
She looks rather nervous. "What happens if I do?"
"Probably nothing, maybe it hurts a lot and you get forcibly ejected."
"Oh." She gives me a small smile. "I thought it would be something-"
"Except the outer walls, which would probably kill you. Certainly, you'd lose whatever body part you stuck in."
The smile vanishes. "-like that."
"Oh, come on." I land just before them. "How often do you actually phase through the outer walls anyway?"
"Well, I'm not doing it now."
Kon shifts uncomfortably. "You put anything anti-Kryptonian in here?"
"I rebuilt the vertigo inducers, but Kryptonians have never been the most subtle people. I was really trying to make it impossible for anyone to ever get the drop on us again." I glance over at the rebuilt zeta tubes. "Kaldur not with you?"
Wallace has resumed peering around, trying to spot any other changes I might have made. What with the complete lack of bare stone in here anymore he's rather spoilt for choice. "Nah, he wanted to stay on in Poseidonis. Tula and Garth too."
"Oh well. I'll just have to get Zatanna to empower the new magic defences."
Richard's face has gone rather still. "Aaand.. what do those do?"
"Well, the existing geomantic wards only blocked scrying and detection. Since everyone knows where we are, all those were doing was preventing them from monitoring what we're doing day by day, which… Basically pointless. The new version incorporates a rather interesting spiritual prison effect. If the attacker doesn't know what they're doing, it sucks magic -and eventually their whole soul- out of their body."
"Ah… You don't… Actually mean..?"
"Alright, it's more like it locks it away from their body. It's not an instant death, and it would be very obvious to any magic user inside the mountain what had happened. On the other hand, Rhode Island law theoretically treats magic attack in exactly the same way as any other attack… So legally it's cool."
M'gann looks a little nervous as well. "You can.. do.. magic..?"
My forearms rise until they're at right angles to my body. My palms are upwards and orange light drifts down, swirling about my feet and solidifying into meaningless but impressive looking symbols. "I have been trying to orchestrate a magitech revolution. I've picked a few things up, a few designs. Once they're active, the Mountain will be proof against anything short of utterly overwhelming force."
Kon nods. "So, are the bathrooms working?"
"Yes, the bathrooms are working. I also took the opportunity to remodel the showers."
"Uh. They wrecked the showers?"
"They wrecked everything they didn't steal." I dismiss the mystic mumbo-jumbo and hold out my right hand towards Wallace. "Souvenirs of past missions?"
He looks pained, his mouth falling open. "Uh?"
"Smashed or taken."
Richard blinks. "The armory? Your workshop?"
"Looted and written off."
M'gann's eyes widen. "My..? My room?" Kon puts his right arm around her and she puts her hands on his arm.
"Some sort of incendiary. I restored as much as I could remember. I hope you…" My eyes flick to Kon and then back. "Backed up your school work."
There's a moment of silence.
Richard looks thoughtful. "So the attacks against the League and the Team were to keep us from noticing that we couldn't reach the Watchtower and to keep us away from Atlantis. But it was also to make sure that there wouldn't be anyone here."
"Good job there wasn't, actually. The Saremite said the attacking group consisted of twelve of Truggs' men and fifty or so other Saremites. I might have been able to fight that off, but there wouldn't be much left of them or of the mountain afterwards."
Wallace looks at me askance. "Hey, how come they didn't get your gun or your sword?"
"I kept those in my room. Tubbs isn't clever enough to have reported the state of the mountain to me if I didn't specifically instruct him to. They might actually have still been here when he flew through."
Richard looks around once more. "You've certainly.. done everything you can to stop them doing anything like that again. Why don't you.. show us what else you've done with the place?"
Ganurath
Literal Enthusiast
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- A Valid Location
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- He/Him
Wallace: "I am now totally on board for all your home defense plans."
spencer1519
(Verified Heretic)
- Location
- Oregon, USA
NOT THE SOUVENIRS!
Those monsters, is nothing sacred!?
Those monsters, is nothing sacred!?
- Location
- Philippines
To Paul, nothing much is overkill to him, huh? And that Saremmite, so the Ophidian chose to eat him for trying to take what was hers?
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Stratagemini
Totally a Fire Ferret.
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- Central Park
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- He/Him/They/Them
Man, being unable to keep what is his safe is really messing with Paul isn't it? He seems upset.
esotericist
A Weary Hand
- Location
- Lacey, WA
Even-handed pragmatism, I'd say.
Stratagemini
Totally a Fire Ferret.
- Location
- Central Park
- Pronouns
- He/Him/They/Them
It's probably her copy of "Hello, Megan!" Tapes. Tapes which basically do not exist anymore. And which she based her whole human identity around.
Social conditioning probably, or in the case of Miss Martian and Superboy the overt expectations of how things should be given the culture they are exposed to. It's the only half way decent reason I can ascribe to for example, besides Watcher meddling with the Slayer empowerment somehow, why say Buffy of BTVS fame doesn't like guns.
There's also the fact they can see their friend is upset and they worried whether he's being rational. Strictly speaking his morality is no longer analogous to conventional wisdom and he had that shhnake freakout a while ago. But then he's perfectly intune with his desires and what he wants. And his desires are more...stable and self improving,productive for lack of a better word, then most.
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