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Also, any person, bad guy or good, that dies is a potential Black Lantern. Nonlethal action makes sense because it doesn't enlarge Nekron's army.
With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
- Thread starter Mr Zoat
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was frantically trying
I would like to point out that even if the heroes are resilient enough to survive the cavitation shock, the resulting spherical shockwave would smash everything in its path for a VERY long distance, because water -- being an incompressible fluid -- carries shockwaves very very well. Ever seen fishing with dynamite? We're talking that effect on a MUCH larger scale.
I wonder if we'd see tsunamis along the nearby coast.
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No, my usage is correct.
Prince Charon
Just zis guy, you know?
In that case, a colon might make more sense than a semicolon before that, unless that's a British thing.
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True, but according to Truggs, it's Orange Night that's going to be the problem.
Although now I want to call it Orange Dawn instead.
Of course, as has been shown in story, any villain killed of an abrahamic faith or any other faith that shares a similar concept of Hell or demons could come back with a demonic upgrade.
Hmm, now I'm wondering what determines a newly converted demon's power levels. In the comics, demons have varied in power levels to Dr Fate's dog to folks who can go toe to toe with the likes of Superman and Wonder Woman (like say Etrigan), all the way to the guy who ate the soul of everyone in his home universe and owes Raven's mother a lot of back child support.
My first guess would be with how much mojo they have, but that wouldn't work here because Zoat is not including significant differences in mojo without such extreme methods as apotheosis or mainlining a universal concept.
Perhaps how evil they are, allowing them a tighter connection with whatever sin(s) they're an elemental of?
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There's no point worrying about that - by this point, Nekron's potential army already includes Burning Martians, any number of mages or other artificially-empowered beings from across the universe, whatever Maltusians have managed to die since the entire race got hyperpowers, and oh, literally every Kryptonian ever bar the baker's dozen or so who escaped extinction.
If Nekron had focused on building up his troops before launching his final assault on the Life Entity, I kind of doubt the DC Universe would have survived - even reanimating 10% of everything that has ever died would be an army so vast as to render numeric measurement largely unnecessary, and the number of races in DC that have innate superpowers would make the problem even worse, since entire swathes of the undead horde would have abilities beyond "having a Black Lantern ring" (which is bad enough on its own, honestly).
Empiricist2
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He's already in he League in all but name. He fights with them on big threats, gives them advice, and basically every other League function but formal voting and publicity.
For super strength brawls, regular punching and kicking aren't very effective even in the air. It's been mentioned before in story with Kon's training that punching someone as durable as Kon more often than not knocks them into a comparatively soft wall. Grappling just works better.
I was accounting for that. In order for it to be 16:00 in two updates in GMT and GMT -3, three hours have to have passed between them.
I agree it's a little over the top, but it's not so bad, and makes OL's perspective seem more in the action, instead of a dry recounting of events.
The simplest explanation is that putting something in subspace isn't instant, just very fast. If the object disappears slower than the speed of sound in the relevant medium, there would be a pressure wave but no vacuum and subsequent thunderclap.
Magic to prevent that? Atlanteans live underwater, and I'm sure they realize that it's a bad idea to be vulnerable to a single attack killing all their citizens.
I've seen it called Orange Twilight. Dawn implies a beginning.
With its disproportionately
I can identify
The zombies' movements
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No, it would be a comma. Even then I'm uncertain; the phrasing says that the failed attempts were the sign that made them notice.
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An army of superzombies wasn't really the point for Necron.
The point was trolling heroes- Apparently Necron required intense emotional responses followed by death to get the most bang for his buck, or maybe he's just a massive troll.
Hence heroes getting visits from exes, siblings, children, parents, etc.
As powerful as a kryptonian black lantern is, Superman just isn't going to have an immense emotional response when confronted with his third cousin five times removed that he'd never freaking heard of, much less his father's college roommate's cousin's hairdresser.
So if Nekron revived a bunch of Burning Martians, it'd be to send them after the Guardians, they only people who remember them and hence might give a damn. If the Guardians have the emotional capacity to have an immense emotional response by such a confrontation.
Bad things by definition have to begin, otherwise no badness.
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what an army of kryptonians lack in emotional impact they make up for in being able to kill anyone in your way. Yes future recruits may not get whatever boost they would get from being killed by a friend, but that doesn't really matter because a planets worth of kryptonians is about all the troops one would need.
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Not Truggs. Kadabra. That's important, as Kadabra is from further down the timestream, and for Truggs Orange Night might not have happened yet.
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Fear is an emotion. I might argue that several million Burners, backed by twice as many Kryptonians and all wielding Black Lantern Rings, would inspire a significant amount of fear. Nekron fumbled the Blackest Night by underestimating his enemies and being too hung up on trying to end the conflict ASAP; if he'd started by harvesting some small world out in the boondocks, waited to jump Oa until he'd already built up a few hundred billion Black Lanterns, and only hit Earth after wiping out most of the other Sectors, he'd probably have kicked Earth's shit clean in because by that point he'd have had more Black Lanterns then there are grains of sand in the Sahara.An army of superzombies wasn't really the point for Necron.
The point was trolling heroes- Apparently Necron required intense emotional responses followed by death to get the most bang for his buck, or maybe he's just a massive troll.
Hence heroes getting visits from exes, siblings, children, parents, etc.
As powerful as a kryptonian black lantern is, Superman just isn't going to have an immense emotional response when confronted with his third cousin five times removed that he'd never freaking heard of, much less his father's college roommate's cousin's hairdresser.
So if Nekron revived a bunch of Burning Martians, it'd be to send them after the Guardians, they only people who remember them and hence might give a damn. If the Guardians have the emotional capacity to have an immense emotional response by such a confrontation.
Bad things by definition have to begin, otherwise no badness.
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Which again, is beside the point.
Part 1) Black lanterns stir up emotions, collect hearts, which then summons Nekron.
Part 2) Then Nekron kills the White Light Entity and by so doing reclaims the entire universe.
Neither of those parts would have been better served by an army of kryptonian zombies.
They would be inferior for emotional harvesting for part 1, and they sure as hell would have been inferior going up against the white light entity who could just resurrect them in part 2, so why would Nekron stupidly spend more effort to get inferior results?
Superzombies were never the freaking point for Nekron.
They were a means to an end.
A means that a planet's worth of kryptonians would be crappier at then what he did in the comics.
Assuming that a zombie going "boogah boogah boogah I'm going to kill you" is enough to collect a heart is to assume that blackest night was a complete and total waste of time from start to finish.
Which leads to two possible conclusions.
1) Nekron, the personification of the Black and entity that is older than the universe knows a bit more about how the rings he personally made work than you do.
2) Nekron is such a petty git that what you are proposing is a psychological impossibility, in which case your theory is useless anyway.
And a few hundred billion black lanterns? Yes, because between being virtually omnipotent or being virtually omnipotent minus several hundred billion drains on their energy I'm sure lots of supervillains would hamper their powers like that. Because I'm sure Nekron is big on self sacrifice and sharing, huge Barney fan I'm sure.
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If it is then the semicolon needs to be a colon instead since the second part of the sentence is a direct follow on from the first. : instead of ;
Army of kryptonian zombies holds down Superman while zombie Lois Lane kills him, perhaps?
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you know what whips up a lot of emotion? watching an army of invincible super zombies torture your entire species to death. you know what makes killing something easier? having an army of invincible super zombies rip apart anyone it recruits to defend itself. I mean unless he needs to get pain specifically from named characters, it's more efficient to just torture a few million civilians to death with an invincible super army.
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Actually, this is a very good point. It has, in fact, actually been demonstrated in-story, the time he un-subspaced the Lazarus Pit.
Now we just need to have a speedster watch OL put something into subspace.
EDIT: That said, it wouldn't result in a storm of bubbles if that happened... hmm... unless it's fast enough that the pressure wave pulls dissolved gases out of the water.
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Thank you, corrected.
I think you're right.
Or he might just not have heard of it. His Earth is fairly isolated and introverted.
Empiricist2
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The Guardians constantly feel intense will, and are very resistant to feeling any other emotion. Instead, assuming Mars is inhabited, send the burning Martians against the population that has an irrational fear of fire.
3) The writers didn't think it through all that far and wanted a story about their favorite cast more than they wanted Nekron to follow an optimal plan that didn't involve said cast.
Water boils in a vacuum, producing steam.
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That's not relevant in the non-cavitating example.
Empiricist2
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There was at least some cavitation, as OL specifically says a vacuum was created. He may be incorrect, but I'm inclined to believe he knows what he's talking about.
For an explanation as to why there was a vacuum created in this section but thunderclaps don't happen normally, he put the solidified water into subspace much quicker than he normally would to create a distraction.
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and on a side note, will Paul ever get to meet Jonathan and Martha Kent? I know this is a all hands on deck situation, but maybe Paul's lost a tiny bit of his wonder. He's diving into combat alongside Superman and Wonder Woman and Icon to do battle under the sea against magic zombies and hydrokinetic golems. I mean yeah, Paul's more business with Kal-El due to his closeness to Kon and how Clark fumbled the ball and I'm not expecting Paul to compromise the situation and visibly geek out, but the first couple paragraphs of this section could be a splash page of a Justice League comic issue. Speed lines around Paul's construct and the words 'Diving Into Danger' or 'War at the Deep End' or 'Under the Ocean, a City on Fire' as the four of them jump into a super fight.
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I'm more inclined to believe that OL, like Mr Zoat himself, is making assumptions about the mechanism based on what it looks like than the hard science behind it. A vacuum wouldn't even be necessary to suck replacement water in -- the water's own weight would be sufficient to cause that effect. If the ring replaces subspaced objects with AIR, then there would be no thunderclap on the surface and it would mitigate cavitation because the collapsing water would compress the air bubble instead of causing a cavitation shock. It would be more like a balloon popping underwater than a bomb.
In fact, that video very much looks like the description.
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Ok @Mr Zoat some date errors:
First of all:
The first part of that snip takes time, so you can just make the post transition time later (the next renegade update is 30 minutes later)
Then we have these:
The paragon updates go from
19:54 GMT -5 = 24:54 GMT => 11th June at 00:54 GMT
to 06:28 GMT +5:30 = 00:58 GMT still at 11th June
which means that the talk with Caldur and all the planning + fight took 4 minutes
On top of that the renegade update in between is at 09:36 GMT -6 = 15:36GMT, which is almost 15 hours later than the above paragon update.
I don't know what you meant to do but as is the easiest way to fix this is to fix the 06:28 GMT +5:30 and make it later.
Maybe make it on 12th June instead?
First of all:
13:43GMT-5 = (13+5):43 GMT=18:43 GMT so the time is the same.
The first part of that snip takes time, so you can just make the post transition time later (the next renegade update is 30 minutes later)
Then we have these:
The paragon updates go from
19:54 GMT -5 = 24:54 GMT => 11th June at 00:54 GMT
to 06:28 GMT +5:30 = 00:58 GMT still at 11th June
which means that the talk with Caldur and all the planning + fight took 4 minutes
On top of that the renegade update in between is at 09:36 GMT -6 = 15:36GMT, which is almost 15 hours later than the above paragon update.
I don't know what you meant to do but as is the easiest way to fix this is to fix the 06:28 GMT +5:30 and make it later.
Maybe make it on 12th June instead?
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