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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

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Empiricist2 said:
Presumably the United States of America correct? I'm pretty sure Kon doesn't travel to Mexico much. Or any other United States that may exist.
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Bit pedantic, no? Pretty much everyone outside (and possibly inside?) of the US colloquially refer to the United States of America as the US. Hell, on damn near every online form the dropdown menu for country selection will say "United States".
 
Fandom Flux said:
Bit pedantic, no? Pretty much everyone outside (and possibly inside?) of the US colloquially refer to the United States of America as the US. Hell, on damn near every online form the dropdown menu for country selection will say "United States".
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Most of 'em say "America" as if they own the whole damn continent >_>
 
IronyIsGood said:
Something about the way everyone speaks to each other in this chapter seems really confrontational, even though they're not arguing with each other, it feels like they are. I'm not sure why. Anyone else notice that?
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stsword said:
He's said there will be no Spectre or Presence in this fic, at least.
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I don't like the Spectre as depicted in DC. If I use the Spectre, expect to see a monstrous super-Nabu that the SI would do his level best to kill.
So Swamp Thing and Constantine probably didn't witness the Greater Darkness merge with the Hand that Created the Universe That Krona Spied On, for example.
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Swamp Thing didn't. John saw something merge with the Source.
 
yeah. i admit my DC knowledge is patchy, but isnt the Spectre in the terryfying Goldilocks-zone of "borderline cosmic power, terrifyingly gullible/alien mentally?"
i think in at least one of the timelines, he/it got conned into murdering multiple good/neutral-aligned capes very quickly. one of the crisis events, i think?
 
Gantradies said:
yeah. i admit my DC knowledge is patchy, but isnt the Spectre in the terryfying Goldilocks-zone of "borderline cosmic power, terrifyingly gullible/alien mentally?"
i think in at least one of the timelines, he/it got conned into murdering multiple good/neutral-aligned capes very quickly. one of the crisis events, i think?
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More like black and white insanity. The Spectre is literally god's wrath. The Presence is big on that, incarnating its traits. Over in Supergirl, they had the three Earth Born Angels that represented God's love, fire, and light, and DC gave the Spectre siblings in the Radiant who is god's mercy, and the Word which is the voice of god.

In the comics the state of New York was going to execute an innocent man. The Spectre made it known that if that happened, he'd respond by executing every single resident of New York State.

Eclipso, his predecessor as god's wrath, talked him into going on a magic user genocide run, that somehow didn't get the Presence's attention until after he killed Shazam.

After killing off almost all Lords of Order and Chaos, the universal laws of magic changed (not that I'm aware of them actually going into what that meant).
 
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Ok. So, several likely consequences from this chapter:
1) Challenge issued to other competitors to get off their asses and start to look into alternative power sources. What could those be... Well, various xenotech, if it can be replicated. Diluted Garrick-formula'd hamster wheels. Magic, from already mentioned Dolmen Gates tricks, to directly creating voltage differential, summoning electricity or heat elementals, making things spin, etc.

2) Someone (probably Lois) starting an investigation / writing a piece on how and why advanced technology hasn't proliferated. Also probably lots of conspiracy theories popping up about it. Because in this case conspiracy is actually a plausible explanation. Maybe someone will blame the Guardians?

I also wonder how many conspiracy theories' subject OL is. I mean, I'm fairly sure at least some Christian churches would have already called him the Antichrist. And, to be fair, he kinda fits the role a lot.

3) Some regulatory body putting a stop on widespread use of bleed membrane instability generators until and unless their approved experts (ie human mainstream scientists) understand how they work. And before anyone cries foul, that's actually quite reasonable, because they literally can't predict consequences or know side-effects of their use. For all they know, the generators poke Azathoth in his sleep, and harvest the energy of him turning in his prime chaos bed or something. Use enough of them, and Azathoth wakes up - poof, no more universe.

4) A setup for further in-depth interview with Lois.
 
Yog said:
Ok. So, several likely consequences from this chapter:
1) Challenge issued to other competitors to get off their asses and start to look into alternative power sources. What could those be... Well, various xenotech, if it can be replicated. Diluted Garrick-formula'd hamster wheels. Magic, from already mentioned Dolmen Gates tricks, to directly creating voltage differential, summoning electricity or heat elementals, making things spin, etc.
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Ideas from the comics-

The Quantum Field that powers Bombshell, Major Force, and Captain Atom. The Quantum Field is everything that exists and might exist, and doesn't exist, and the rule about matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed very specifically does not apply there. Captain Atom once made his own Earth, complete with his own Spectre, using that energy.

The Emotional Energy Spectrum- The Lightsmiths based their entire civilizations on harnessing the energy of emotions. Not that humanity is there...yet. Black Hand was given a device by Atrocitus that gathered the residue energy from green lantern energy use, which might be reverse engineered, or maybe a manhunter.

Starman- Starman's technology is powered by stellar energy, and with his rod he can pretty much do anything a green lantern can do. In Starman, there's a future in which Shade is on a planet whose entire technology base seems to be the starman tech.

Aztek's technomagical armor uses a "4th dimensional mirror" as a power source.

The Atom, and an unrelated DC supervillain, both power their technology with white dwarf stars.

Prometheum- A metal that can absorb and generate a vast amount of energy, but it's mutagenic, creating the Hybrid for example. Of course, Paul might consider that a win-win, as an energy source and a metagene trigger.
 
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Mr Zoat said:
I don't like the Spectre as depicted in DC. If I use the Spectre, expect to see a monstrous super-Nabu that the SI would do his level best to kill.
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If you can't get over your own dislike of the character enough to give him a fair representation in story you should probably skip including him.

John saw something merge with the Source.
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I wonder what Paul would have to say about that?
 
So, on an unrelated topic: after getting GL's database, Paul noted that he could make "psionic amplification array", which was a ship-to-ship weapon system. Both he and Grayven have telepaths or telekines on their teams and in their in-groups, that could greatly benefit from psionic boosts, even if said boosts would be hooked to stationary generators (and for Paul, Dolmen Gates could be used to bypass that limitation altogether). I'm a bit surprised that constructing them hasn't come up since.
stsword said:
Prometheum- A metal that can absorb and generate a vast amount of energy, but it's mutagenic, creating the Hybrid for example. Of course, Paul might consider that a win-win, as an energy source and a metagene trigger.
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Given Paul's general focus on magical materials and material science that would probably be of particular interest to him.
 
Vaermina said:
If you can't get over your own dislike of the character enough to give him a fair representation in story you should probably skip including him.

I wonder what Paul would have to say about that?
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Actually having to agree with you here. The fic already gets dangerously close to bashing, mostly but not entirely on the villains. It's one of the weakness of the fic.
 
Power Company, if they exist in this continuity, since as of yet there hasn't been a metagene bomb, since there was no Invasion! (yet) is rife with power generating capacities.

Skyrocket- Her tech can absorb, redirect, and convert energy, as in one form of energy into another form of energy.

Sapphire- She has a shapeshifting exoskeleton powered by her telekinesis, not that many telekinetics on Earth, it would be far more useful on Mars, presuming they don't already have better alternatives.

Striker Z- Guy got exposed to experimental rocket fuel, he became a veritable energizer bunny with superhuman strength and stamina. A buddy of his built him a suit of technology powered by his own superhuman metabolism. Another guy got exposed to even more of the stuff, and he could create constructs out of bio-energy.
 
As far as using Dolmen Gates as part of a power generation scheme, I was reminded of this scene:

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Getting more comfortable in lecture mode he begins walking around the horseshoe. "For the convenience and safety of your fair city the portal or 'Dolmen Gate' incorporates a subsystem to prevent the flow of water across the threshold. In Atlantis we use it to prevent water flow from areas of different pressure levels. Here.. well, it's essentially a hole to the bottom of the Atlantic. Water pressure would seek to equalise.. and you'd all get rather wet."
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Leave out that protective subsystem, and you've got a Gate that will spew out a constant stream of high velocity seawater. Using that to drive a turbine for electricity would be easy, and you just have to build it on the coast so you can vent the water back into the ocean.

You'd probably want a few refinements, like having the Atlanteans set the intake Gate up someplace where they know none of the undersea people will be bothered by it, and cast some wards to keep wildlife from getting sucked in. But they have to maintain the Gates anyway, so that's no big deal.
 
Avernus said:
Leave out that protective subsystem, and you've got a Gate that will spew out a constant stream of high velocity seawater. Using that to drive a turbine for electricity would be easy, and you just have to build it on the coast so you can vent the water back into the ocean.
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Or dig a very deep hole, put one end at the bottom facing up, put the other end at the top facing down to drive a turbine, then fill the hole with as much water as desired. No ocean needed.
 
Sceptic said:
Or dig a very deep hole, put one end at the bottom facing up, put the other end at the top facing down to drive a turbine, then fill the hole with as much water as desired. No ocean needed.
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Or cut out the water, make a huge vertical coil of wire, place the dolmen gates on top and bottom before dropping a huge magnet right in between the coil. Gravity would do the rest, especially if the air within the coil is evacuated...
 
Vaermina said:
If you can't get over your own dislike of the character enough to give him a fair representation in story you should probably skip including him.
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Canonically, he's a serial killer. Remember all of the people he murdered while merged with Crispus Allen? And it's not like he kills them quickly and efficiently, he usually does it in a dramatic and brutal fashion. The fact he does good work as well wouldn't be enough to convince the SI not to do everything he could to destroy him, even more so than with Nabu.
 
I'm a little curious as to why Paul doesn't fund a think tank of some of the best minds he knows and tasks them with working out how that Filthy Xenotech fuctions, along with the schizo-tech he encounters. The stuff he can't convince the creators to explain or turn towards the betterment of humanity, at least.

Release the less dangerous information and let the world figure out how to innovate it, and give the more dangerous stuff to companies run by trustworthy people like Ted and Bruce.
 
Excellent point, Avernus!
With another set of gates you could build that plant anywhere, really, and just send the water whence it came.
That would be for the best anyway, I believe: having enough power plants mixing a lot of cold, poorly oxygenated water from the deeps with surface waters would have very bad ecological and meteorological consequences.

Actually with all those crazy supervillains running around you might want to keep the plants close to the ocean anyway. Breaking the "return" gate in a coastal plant and pouring "deep" water on the surface would be kinda bad, but a bit tame as typical super-terrorism goes: easier to break the first portal and just shut down the plant. Breaking the "return" gate in a landlocked area and keeping the other open as long as supervillainously possible, on the other hand...

readerdreamer said:
Or cut out the water, make a huge vertical coil of wire, place the dolmen gates on top and bottom before dropping a huge magnet right in between the coil. Gravity would do the rest, especially if the air within the coil is evacuated...
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Wouldn't the magnet keep accelerating with no way to start decelerating? That sound pretty dangerous. I mean, it's in the name of the freaking site...
 
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