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- Hampden Park
Oh, it's better than that. In the UK, if you don't use your phone for a month your number gets reassigned. My phone can neither make nor receive calls.
No.
With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
- Thread starter Mr Zoat
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You write as is your experience is universal. It's not. I like the way Mr Zoat writes. It's only in about 1 in a 100 updates that I have to go to any effort to figure out who's speaking. Most of the time I find it quite clear.
And even better than "Grayven said" is "Grayven nodded severely" or other physical actions that add more to the scene while also implying who is speaking without stating it outright.
The problem with that is this story is written in first person.
"Why'd you suddenly start talking like that, Grayven?"
"Since he decided to join the Light, Grayven has decided to speak of himself in the third person as properly befits a supervillain! And so that his readers may properly identify him, of course."
"Your...readers?"
"Be careful, don't say your name out loud or they'll know who you are. So says Grayven."
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The chapter title *is* Escalation. Darkseid-interrupt would certainly qualify.
And just to throw my hat in the "people's experiences are not universal" ring, I've had no issues determining who is speaking or keeping up with the invisitext, and I've read this story almost exclusively on a cell phone. I just highlight the text as I go along, and the invisitext pops right up. The gaps where there might be something are pretty obvious.
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Invisitext is basically worse than Grayven morality arguments, Worm morality debates, and D&D alignment discussions. Put together. And injected into a reincarnated Hitler (an evil one, not the clone).
It's a right awkward pain on an iPhone, is what I'm saying.
Thanks to the person who quoted & highlighted it!
It's a right awkward pain on an iPhone, is what I'm saying.
Thanks to the person who quoted & highlighted it!
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- Alabama
Well obviously, it's first person so not for Grayven, but there's no reason that Zoat can't add in descriptions that say "M'gann sighed contentedly" and then her statement following. And he does that most of the time, it's just particularly egregious on the Grayven chapters.
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- Estonia
"I nodded severely" I'm Grayven, hear my invisitext
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"Well," Grayven ejaculated lustily, "good luck getting Mr Zoat to change his writing style!"
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- Argentina
I can totally see him doing that.
So the bleed is more dangerous than 40K's warp but not quite so bad as MTG's blind eternities.
Good to know.
Ha! Loved that show back in the day.
If the toilets are working why wouldn't the taps?
So... I've been thinking (again, I know, ask me and I'll stop), and I had a question. This most likely got discussed into the ground somewhere early in the story, so, if it was, please feel free to just point me in the direction of that discussion.
We know that there are one-off hyper advanced pieces of technology lying and walking around. They are marvels of engineering, especially given the tools that were used to make them. But what about more fundamental sciences? Theoretical stuff, maths, that kind of thing. If OL was to go to Scopus-16 and search for "bleed physics", would he find anything not related to medicine or criminology? Maybe not in high impact journals, but at least in some publications on "alternative" physics? I mean, we know that Sivana senior published some stuff in his earlier days, even if he later deleted his stuff from the web. He might not have been a unique case in the practice of actually publishing his findings.
Speaking of science and mainstream research. From existence of STAR labs and the fact that Captain Cold (I think it was) was invited to give lectures in a university at OL's initiative, we can infer that at least some hyper-advanced science (as opposed to engineering, which is, in this context, a practical implementation of science if the form of technological devices) spreads through the entire scientific community. And this should affect research in some interesting ways. I mean, ITER and other fusion related big projects are probably not a thing (and if they are, OL should pay them a visit and kill all funding, because fusion is going to be made obsolete by bleed tech before it's even accomplished), and fundamental science is better funded in general.
And on the related issue. League doesn't share advanced technology with the world for a number of reasons. Weapons non-proliferation is one. Preventing a fostering of dependency on the League members is another. Kinda like USA won't consider building a modern nuclear power plant in Cambodia. On the other hand, knowledge is knowledge and it's knowledge everywhere. Thousands of people all over the world are working in the field of pure math. I am fairly sure that Kryptonian database, and quite possibly OL's knowledge databases have math knowledge centuries more advanced than Earth. Why not release that? Theoretical physics textbooks from Thanagar or Krypton (Kal-El should have college level textbooks archived somewhere). Because, you know, while you wouldn't want a nuclear plant built in Cambodia, denying a gifted Cambodian student from studying nuclear physics in USA (if they can pass exams with flying colors) would be rather callous.
In fact... Why hasn't this idea been floated? Get an agreement with, say, Thanagar. Send a group of students to study STEM subjects at their university, and receive some of their students to study thaumaturgy in Atlantis - one field where Earth seems to be quite advanced is magic, from the looks of it.
Yes, sure, payoff will be less immediate, but it will directly help thousands of people and help humanity as a whole to become more advanced. Hell, Kadabra is teaching school-level classes in jail. Even if he only had an equivalent of high-school education from his time (and he likely has at least bachelor's levels of education), he should be doing lectures for the best and brightest of the world over the video conference (and later getting a pardon for his great contribution). Same with Truggs, really, and the fact that he didn't bring a full upload of scientific literature shows that he's a supervillain and, thus, an idiot.
We know that there are one-off hyper advanced pieces of technology lying and walking around. They are marvels of engineering, especially given the tools that were used to make them. But what about more fundamental sciences? Theoretical stuff, maths, that kind of thing. If OL was to go to Scopus-16 and search for "bleed physics", would he find anything not related to medicine or criminology? Maybe not in high impact journals, but at least in some publications on "alternative" physics? I mean, we know that Sivana senior published some stuff in his earlier days, even if he later deleted his stuff from the web. He might not have been a unique case in the practice of actually publishing his findings.
Speaking of science and mainstream research. From existence of STAR labs and the fact that Captain Cold (I think it was) was invited to give lectures in a university at OL's initiative, we can infer that at least some hyper-advanced science (as opposed to engineering, which is, in this context, a practical implementation of science if the form of technological devices) spreads through the entire scientific community. And this should affect research in some interesting ways. I mean, ITER and other fusion related big projects are probably not a thing (and if they are, OL should pay them a visit and kill all funding, because fusion is going to be made obsolete by bleed tech before it's even accomplished), and fundamental science is better funded in general.
And on the related issue. League doesn't share advanced technology with the world for a number of reasons. Weapons non-proliferation is one. Preventing a fostering of dependency on the League members is another. Kinda like USA won't consider building a modern nuclear power plant in Cambodia. On the other hand, knowledge is knowledge and it's knowledge everywhere. Thousands of people all over the world are working in the field of pure math. I am fairly sure that Kryptonian database, and quite possibly OL's knowledge databases have math knowledge centuries more advanced than Earth. Why not release that? Theoretical physics textbooks from Thanagar or Krypton (Kal-El should have college level textbooks archived somewhere). Because, you know, while you wouldn't want a nuclear plant built in Cambodia, denying a gifted Cambodian student from studying nuclear physics in USA (if they can pass exams with flying colors) would be rather callous.
In fact... Why hasn't this idea been floated? Get an agreement with, say, Thanagar. Send a group of students to study STEM subjects at their university, and receive some of their students to study thaumaturgy in Atlantis - one field where Earth seems to be quite advanced is magic, from the looks of it.
Yes, sure, payoff will be less immediate, but it will directly help thousands of people and help humanity as a whole to become more advanced. Hell, Kadabra is teaching school-level classes in jail. Even if he only had an equivalent of high-school education from his time (and he likely has at least bachelor's levels of education), he should be doing lectures for the best and brightest of the world over the video conference (and later getting a pardon for his great contribution). Same with Truggs, really, and the fact that he didn't bring a full upload of scientific literature shows that he's a supervillain and, thus, an idiot.
TheLastOne
Person of impeccable tastes (for destruction)
More then that, I doubt he is capable of. The more advanced science has gotten, the smaller a slice any individual deeply understands - the era of Renascence Men who can talk deeply about every subject is long over, hence the stereotype of physicists talking out their asses.
Now that's blatantly less true in D.C. or Marvel among the super scientists. But see the qualifier 'super.' The S.I. could work hard on his eight year degree and only achieve a shallow understanding of something like The Bleed, rather then a holistic understand of 'physics' which really at this point is like more then a dozen different disciplines at the PHD level.
He has a copy of GL database. He doesn't need to understand the science himself, only give it out. Or negotiate with someone for advanced scientific textbooks.
Point is: OL clearly wants to improve life on Earth. To that end, he was pursuing an agenda of technological uplift. Yet, one part of said uplift, namely advancing scientific understanding of the world, seems to be relatively underutilized by him, despite how this could be one of the areas where he could actually rapidly get somewhere.
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- Somewhere out there
You... do realize... that this technique is actually considered bad writing in many circles?
oh that was good. One more thing... Alternatively it may have awakened the Castle's builder/original owner/enchanter. The one they believed dead because they were unable to track him down (perhaps because h was hidden in the pocket reality?)
*nods* If you see people referring to 'Schizo-tech', this is what they mean. The bits of science/technology decades/centuries more advanced than what the rest of the world is using.
Matsci
Grash itsh griah! Rwar arr rawrrawrarar!
The Reach will eventually show up, and they are masters of bleed technology.
One of the most basic functions of the Blue Beetle Scarab is protection against bleed exposure, and their basic cloak works by shifting them partialy into the Bleed.
That does help explain why the Reach was able to stalemate the GLC, however, if they could GTFO into the bleed when they were loosing. Asymmetric warfare is hard to beat.
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- Oblivion
Identifiers aren't always needed, and can in fact be over used especially in the case of generic ones like "he/she said".
In most cases Zoat is pretty good about knowing when and when not to use them.
Empiricist2
Let's play doctor!
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- Baton Rouge
His equipment is more exploitable, as he would know basically immediately if Kipling was doing something bad with his soul and could fight back. With his eyes in the state they are, he might not know if Kipling betrayed him with his equipment until it was too late.
Don't think so. I can usually get British humor when they aren't being intentionally obtuse about it, and it didn't seem like he was joking.
Interesting thought. Although if it was that, he would notice more than one connection.
He was hypothesizing that the trigger would flush the toilets. Toilets can flush one more time after being cut off from water as they store water in their tank. I don't think there's an inconsistency here.
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Truggs' excuse was that a) those are rare in his era and b) what he did bring with him was destroyed during his temporal jaunt. To be honest, he was lucky to come through as intact as he did.
Abra may be willing to advance himself in more sensible ways, but he hasn't reformed in the sense of becoming a better person. He's teaching classes because he likes having an audience and because it might get him time off for good behaviour, not because he finds it intrinsically rewarding. Ask him to give that sort of lecture and his most likely response would be 'why?'. And that's assuming that he actually knew anything they'd be interested in.
I'm fairly sure that if I, as a researcher, was offered an option of listening to a lecture by a person from 4 thousand years in the future, I'd be able to show as much enthusiasm as required. I.e. experts who want the knowledge Abra has would make a better, more attentive audience than inmates half of whom aren't interested in learning at all. Also, he might get, well, maybe not full pardon, but a reduction of his sentence for his services to humanity / USA in general (I'm fairly sure some deal can be worked out there).
Science
If you're reading this, omae wa mo shindeiru.
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- Killeen, TX
So, I was doing random stuff when I remembered that tyrant comes from the Greek tyrannos(monarch/king, neutral term) the meaning and connotation eventually evolving into Latin's tyrannus(illegitimate ruler) and that made me think of a King and Conqueror from Ancient Greece(I know, by his time tyrannos was a bad word and that his title was actually bassileus), so I want to share this mental image with you guys . The image Grayven that is less Smug Troll and more Conquering Tyrant:
(Look at all of those shades of Orange!)
I mean, his mentor/sponsor to The Team is Greek and Grayven does look like a taller, more muscular Paul:
Imagine this stuff being said by Grayven:
So, I hope I made you guys' day more awesome!
(Look at all of those shades of Orange!)
I mean, his mentor/sponsor to The Team is Greek and Grayven does look like a taller, more muscular Paul:
Imagine this stuff being said by Grayven:
A king without greed is even worse than a figurehead! Saber(Diana). You said you would become a martyr for your ideals. In life, you must have been a pure saint. A proud and noble figure, certainly. But who can truly admire the martyr's thorny path? Who dreams of such an ending? A king… The king must be greedier than any other. He must laugh louder and rage harder. He must exemplify the extreme of all things, good and evil. That is why his retainers envy and adore him. And why the flames of aspiration, to be as the king is, can burn within his people. Proud king of chivalry… The righteousness and ideals you bore may indeed have saved your nation once. However, I'm certain you know what became of those who were saved, but left to themselves."
— Iskandar
"A cowardly thief would sneak away in the night; the King of Conquerors leaves with his loot amidst songs of victory!"
— Iskandar
"The king is the one who collects the envy of all his heroes and stands as their guide; Therefore, he is not alone - for his will equals that of all his followers combined!! Behold! My peerless army! Their bodies may return to ash, but their spirits still hear my call! These men are my legendary heroes – my loyal followers! They're my true friends - breaking the rules of space and time to fight once more at my side! They are my treasure within treasures; they're my right to rule! They make up my mightiest Noble Phantasm — Ionian Hetairoi!!"
— Iskandar
"To win, but not destroy; to conquer, but not humiliate: That is what true conquest is!"
— Grayven
"Glory lies beyond the horizon. Challenge it because it is unreachable. Speak of conquest and demonstrate it."
— Iskandar
So, I hope I made you guys' day more awesome!
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- Pittsburgh, PA
You know, I have serious issues with Fate/Stay Night, but goddamn is their Alexander of Macedon incredible.The image of Grayven that is less Smug Troll and more Conquering Tyrant:
The identifiers thing has been going on since the first thread way back, and nothing changed since. I was honestly surprised when he made a clarifying change like that for Vae.
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