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Presumably if OL was trapped in the same way he wouldn't be able to break out of Major Kelly's choke hold like Grayven did. A twist and a snap and his neck goes the WW way. Pure physical combat is still one of his main weakpoints.
However, due to nature of his own enhancements, he's far less likely to be trapped in the same way. At the very least, he'd have his ring, which would be far less likely to be disabled, because spelleater.

All else fails, I'm fairly sure he can call Ophidian with his dying breath. And then it's happy fun snake time for everyone!
 
Given I am pretty sure Major Kelly counts as a major Magical Effect what are the chances he looses that eye for good?

Because that would be a great permanent reminder for Grayven about letting his ego get the better of him.

I'm curious as to what exactly was so egotistical this time. His options were leave Vera Black to probably die, or try to find her. He used a hush tube and went through actively scanning and the magic they used still prevented him from knowing the endpoint was moved. By that time, he's stuck in and they'd disabled his everything, so now his options are fight or die. I'm sure you'd prefer the first one, but most people will resist if you try to kill them. I guess maybe wanting to live is the ego part?
 
Okay, so from what I can tell, Grayven was using the fairly reasonable tactic of "root around in this fucker's innards until I grab hold of the life-giving magic doodad he had implanted in his chest cavity, then rip it out and watch as biology reasserts itself."

Was he, in fact, doing that, and did he succeed?
 
Thought he would have known better than to turn his back on some who's supposed to have an invulnerablity amulet.
 
Okay, so from what I can tell, Grayven was using the fairly reasonable tactic of "root around in this fucker's innards until I grab hold of the life-giving magic doodad he had implanted in his chest cavity, then rip it out and watch as biology reasserts itself."

Was he, in fact, doing that, and did he succeed?

No, he got the amulet that the other guy was using to try and suck him into it, and sucked Invulnerability Guy into it.
 
My own left hand darts forwards and shoves the Sword of the Fallen into his abdomen.
When did he start calling it Sword of the Fallen instead of Sword of Second and Third?
Environmental shield's down, which means that I do actually need to breathe.
INCONSISTENCY!
"By gas or lethal injection. I only breathe out of habit and they don't have a poison powerful enough to affect me."


Tougher than the first of the fallen. That's definitely hax.
When not used on magical beings, it's just a sword that cuts through most anything.
Gravyven fight scenes are always so much more intense.
Grayven isn't able to immediately heal himself of any nonlethal damage.

A thought: Some people have said that in the same situation OL would be helpless. It just occurred to me that he'd presumably do what he did when Klarion disabled his ring: Pull out his gun and just shoot Kipling. Kipling's probably not as tough as Klarion, though.


Kelly: "You shot him! With a gun! Superheros don't shoot people with guns. They use lasers and fire instead, which is somehow totally different."

OL: "Eh, I'm more 'superhero affiliated' than an actual superhero."
Reminds me of a scene in Mother of Learning:

Small spoiler

"You shot me!" the [REDACTED]'s voice yelled hysterically behind him. "What kind of mage uses a gun!?"


Wouldn't OL's spell eater prevent his ring from being disabled in the first place? Or his anti scry tattoos / spell eatermight prevent his teleports from being redirected.
Scry tattoos don't protect against area of effect spells.
OL's power armor is much lower on the scale than what Grayven can do after his power-ups and even he lost the strength competition vs the Major. Too bad that Kipling just dropped his amulet before fleeing, a fight between a blind person and a disemboweled one could've had so much potential for jokes.
However, the power armor can fly, and can make those kinetic barriers. Not sure how those would react to a guy whose strength just ramps up to meet the challenge.
If you can shut down power ring and Father box, I don't think mundane technology is going to do anything.
I think only his connection to those were cut, the devices themselves were still fine. If Sinestro lost awareness to the outside world but felt the passage of time, then that confirms my theory. If he "wakes up" the second Grayven leaves the spell effect, then the ring itself was shut down.

The relevancy to this comment is there is no "connection" to the power armor to disrupt.
... Conveniently putting the Eye out of play forever. *sigh*
We don't know that stuff sucked into the amulet disappear forever. Grayven only said that he felt that was the case.
 
Wetness and meat fall past my left hand in the Sword of the Fallen's wake, Major Kelly finally being forced to release me. Okay, based on past experience it could be hours until I get my eyes back. Too long to wait. I toss my head, hoping that some of the burning fuel in my eye sockets is shaken free. Then I sheath the Sword of the Fallen and start feeling around on the floor for the amulet.
Heal.
I can't tell quite how hot the room is, but it should be hot enough to throw off infrared sensors. The fire should also make it impossible to see me normally. Conventional munitions aren't a worry even now; being blinded is a pain and it hurts but it doesn't threaten my existence. I feel an edge-. No, just a stone fragment. Okay, and… That's an intestine.
And this is why more senses should always be on a good biokinetic list folks. Looks pointedly at Paul.
 
I'm curious as to what exactly was so egotistical this time. His options were leave Vera Black to probably die, or try to find her. He used a hush tube and went through actively scanning and the magic they used still prevented him from knowing the endpoint was moved. By that time, he's stuck in and they'd disabled his everything, so now his options are fight or die. I'm sure you'd prefer the first one, but most people will resist if you try to kill them. I guess maybe wanting to live is the ego part?
While I agree, running away was probably an option.
 
I can't help by think that if some guy is choking you from behind and you have a sword in your hand, it would be rather easier to cut of his hand than try to blindly stab behind your back...
 
... Conveniently putting the Eye out of play forever. *sigh*

I know that's a trope - no marvel of the ancient world makes it out of a movie intact - but it's a trope I hate. Blame it on being traumatized by Castle in the Sky when I was a child.
Oh no, both Eyes are fine. They're just not available right now.
These two lines are larger than the rest of the text.
Yes. That's because he's shouting.
When did he start calling it Sword of the Fallen instead of Sword of Second and Third?
Probably when doing interviews about Klarion.
Hm. At the moment I'd torn between saying that he was lying the earlier time or changing it.

Get back to you.
I can't help by think that if some guy is choking you from behind and you have a sword in your hand, it would be rather easier to cut of his hand than try to blindly stab behind your back...
The problem with that is that it puts the sharp bit of the god killer sword rather close to your own neck.
 
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I'd recommend something like this for the current update:

Ok, I don't need to breathe anymore, although it's rather disconcerting not being able to, but I do care about my spine.
Mmm...

No. I'll think I'll have the original bit either be a lie or be a reference to his ring's environmental shield. Thank you for pointing it out.
 
The one that spammed Obey. And I think he may have just mind-whammied the dude.
Actually I think he was using the 'suck stuff in' power Kipling was trying to use on him and his sword.

Wait, since when has Grayven had a daiklave?
I'm not sure when he first started using it but it was mentioned when he was trying to figure out what was available to him before his illusion broke.

s not actually a daiklave, he just calls it that. I don't remember when it was first mentioned, but it was there when he killed Klarion.
And used the same way as I recall. Big flashy swing with the giant sword to draw the opponent's eye/defences, then gut him with the Sword of the Fallen.

oh so he's one of those.

"its not a duck, its a mallard"
"its not pie with ice cream, its pie a a la mode"
"its not a big sword, its a daiklave"
Well 'Daiklave' does sound better (and is shorter) than 'Big Ass Sword'. :D

We don't know that stuff sucked into the amulet disappear forever. Grayven only said that he felt that was the case.
True, and I doubt Kipling would have been willing to give it back.

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While him following Iname and Miss Selton is slightly odd given the timing, I still maintain that My Fake-beard being a robotic British agent and appearing at an odd time more likely than SHADE developing both telepathy and power ring scan blocking measures at the same time British agents made their move against Grayven.

Actually, that's kind of confusing. Bullet point lists for "Improbable things that SHADE or Britain would need to do to explain the current events."

If Mr Fake-beard is SHADE:
  • SHADE develops telepathy resistance
  • SHADE develops something to block power ring scans
  • SHADE has an agent tail Iname and Miss Selton at the same time British agents make their first obvious move against Grayven
Why the agent is following the two girls makes sense.

If Mr Fake-beard is British
  • Britain has an agent tail Iname and Miss Selton shortly after Miss Selton told off a SHADE agent
Telepathy resistance doesn't need to be explained as they have robots, power ring blocking doesn't need to be explained because Britain works with magic more and they showed power ring blocking magic in the latest update, and the timing makes sense.

While the first option is still possible, the simplest explanation is that Britain made their move at a coincidental time rather than SHADE doing multiple improbable things at once.
Previously, SHADE had been trying to pursuade Claire to sign up, and the precarious funding of the research facilty made her future there uncertain. Now Grayven has dumped a load of cash into their coffers and Claire firmly told the recruiter to piss off.

If they want her bad enough they may want to abduct her and brainwash/force her to work for them, so they follow her looking for an opprotunity to grab her while she's out and alone. Or maybe they want her to notice the spy and get the 'you can't escape us' vibe to make her give up and work for them.

SHADE has been around since WWII, I'm sure they've observed plenty of metas with various forms of remote scanning abilities. They have had plenty of time to develop some sort anti scanning tech.
 
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