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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

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iamnuff said:
I'd just use threadmarks rather than a story-only thread, if I were you.
They work the same way (automatically jump to marked/story posts without seeing comments) and it doesn't require posting/editing every chapter twice.
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The issue here is the massive archive Zoat's moving over.
 
Grayven's problem is that he is very, very rarely actually challenged by his opponents. He doesn't actually really fight people in his own weight class, and every time he does he's weighted the battle so he takes them out within the first minute. This is the first time he's taking on something that has the ability to kill him for a significant amount of time, and it really shows.
 
Mr Zoat said:
No. I don't want the SI getting access to time travel too easily.
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I'm not talking about Paul getting time travel. I'm talking about the Linear Men supporting or disapproving of Paul as he is not from the Earth-16 dimension but is influencing it. Do they consider him an anomaly? Would they want him to do some deniable things to prevent such and such disaster or an invasion, or be there to nudge some person important to history into something constructive?

What I mean is would they want to make him some kind of local asset, or consider him an anomaly who doesn't belong.

Not about giving Paul time travel tech.
 
hance1986 said:
I'm not talking about Paul getting time travel. I'm talking about the Linear Men supporting or disapproving of Paul as he is not from the Earth-16 dimension but is influencing it. Do they consider him an anomaly? Would they want him to do some deniable things to prevent such and such disaster or an invasion, or be there to nudge some person important to history into something constructive?

What I mean is would they want to make him some kind of local asset, or consider him an anomaly who doesn't belong.

Not about giving Paul time travel tech.
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The problem is a lot of the time, meeting Paul and him getting all your tech tend to be linked without intent to do the latter.
 
hance1986 said:
I'm not talking about Paul getting time travel. I'm talking about the Linear Men supporting or disapproving of Paul as he is not from the Earth-16 dimension but is influencing it. Do they consider him an anomaly? Would they want him to do some deniable things to prevent such and such disaster or an invasion, or be there to nudge some person important to history into something constructive?

What I mean is would they want to make him some kind of local asset, or consider him an anomaly who doesn't belong.
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Honestly, I'm probably not going to use characters I don't know well. The Linear Men's ideology never made much sense to me, quite aside from the fact that groups like the Challengers of the Unknown already don't register as far as destiny is concerned.

If they did decide to move against him, the SI would know that leaving time travelers around to work against you isn't a survivable approach. That would mean assimilation, which would result in the SI getting time travel.
 
I wonder if having the Yellow ring is making Grayven more reckless. If he's not responding to fear (And tangentially self-preservation and caution) properly, he might not be taking danger as seriously as he should.
 
Sixtyforty said:
Grayven's problem is that he is very, very rarely actually challenged by his opponents. He doesn't actually really fight people in his own weight class, and every time he does he's weighted the battle so he takes them out within the first minute. This is the first time he's taking on something that has the ability to kill him for a significant amount of time, and it really shows.
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The last time he fought people in his weight class he had two full kryptionians fighting under an artifical sun, a flash speed assassin with x-ionized blades, an unbound Martian, and a few burgeoning New God enhanced humans on his side.

I suppose Robin was there too.

And he still barely managed to beat his own opponent, but he himself wasn't injured.

Now it's just him and he's sans 90% of his toys.

In fact, this is the first time he's ever been injured significantly on screen. He got some pain feedback from Darksied zapping his brand, but other than that, nothing potentially lethal.
 
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Not sure if this has ever been brought up, but considering that Paul is in what he did at some point believe to be a fictional universe, has he considered the possibility that he himself is in a story? ;)
 
So, because I don't recall a straight answer being given, or possibly I just missed it somewhere in the last fourteen pages, will MrZoat be utilizing threadmarks? Please?
 
I like that Grayven's struggling to be seen as scary in this fight, after losing his internal organs. Of course that affects his combat potential when his constructs aren't as capable. Brilliant.
 
Finagle007 said:
Still waiting for the moment when Paragon!OL utterly whoops Renegade!OL's ass.
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Thinking on it, how do you guys predict the obviously inevitable confrontation is going to start? Paragon!Paul already had an alternate version of himself visit, and if Hope!Paul can be believed he now has a way to stop people from coming into their universal plane-whatever. Is the device Justice Lord Batman used the same technology or does Paul have no defense against it?

Grayven on the other hand is one one who entered into an alternate dimension. Now while he hasn't yet met another version of himself, he was the one to leave. Just thinking about all of this as a narrative, Paragon!Paul is most likely the one to leave his universe and enter Grayven's, eh?
 
Kachajal said:
Mr Zoat: A bit of a belated suggestion, but you may want to save the raw html text of your posts to a word or google docs file somewhere, just in case you *do* need/want to move to QQ in the future.

But hey, what are the chances of silly mod issues happening twice in these communities? Right?

.. Right?
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I just use Calibre to have an epub of Ferris that I update after every chapter. It's basically a glorified HTML document, so if needed I can get in there and manually export the HTML.

Whiiich may be a bit too technical an option for most people. And the fic scraper I use doesn't work with forum posts, as much as I'd like it to.
 
There's no real plans for an OL/Renegade meeting yet. It's possible, but no plans yet...and currently, Renegade would win, because of his use of the garrick formula.
 
Ganurath said:
You mean in person, or do you mean when Paul utterly wins in a big way where Grayven is likely to utterly fail, such as in first impressions with the Controllers?
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IIRC, Mr Zoat commented that Grayven is going to find a Controller to do the Maltusian things he needs. As in singular.

I can see the logic. Grayven won't be able to overawe or intimidate the Controllers as a group, diplomacy isn't his best thing, so finding a lone "expert consultant" would work better for him. Nor is his mantling as "God of Conquest" likely to make him very comfortable in a subordinate position. And Mr Zoat said that the Controllers aren't as unified as the Guardians, so finding one willing to work with him on his or her own isn't an unreasonable goal.

OL on the other hand doesn't mind being the one who takes orders, as long as they are reasonable, and doesn't intend to actually be the one running his Corps. He also has the Ophidian, which means he both has more to offer and has access to enough raw power to make the Controllers hesitate to push him around. Even if he never makes any explicit threats, they aren't stupid. Nor are they likely to overlook how valuable an asset someone is who is known for a fact to be able to merge with the Ophidian and remain sane enough to be useful. Especially since getting rid of Paul would turn the Ophidian hostile, which would be a Bad Thing.
 
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