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How do you propose he learns to not kill civilians other than by fighting with the Team? It's been noted that he gets bored enough as is with the little amount of fighting he takes part in. Cooping him up more won't help, and I really doubt he would be able to act as a normal civilian for more than about 5 minutes.

So? It's not like he's entitled to become a superhero or something. Or even that he wants to be a superhero.

Letting him onto the team as a form of therapy is endangering everyone he interacts with and putting the team at risk of ending up in a bloodbath the moment he decides to just start killing people, instead of talking about killing people.

Sit him down in a classroom with Diana or something and teach him that way, rather than letting him loose with the team.
Alternatively, send him packing with a travel guide to every art museum in america and a point-blank warning that if he gets caught spilling blood on earth, the league will hunt him down.

That sounds like something he could understand. An absolute and arbitrary limitation on his behaviour, enforced by threat of violence from his betters.

I don't see why it's the team's job to deal with his fucked-up brain and priorities. They've got covert-ops to do, no time to babysit the psychopath.
 
One of those actions isn't right. I'm not sure what you meant to say, but the sentence got a bit wibbly-wobbly around the General.
Thank you, corrected.
Canis's sections are amusing, but I'm not sure why he's being allowed out on missions with The Team if he still hasn't wrapped his head around the "We don't murder people" rule.

He's behaving himself for now, but the fact that murder is still his first resort to a lot of problems makes it sound like it's sheer chance that he hasn't killed anyone yet.
He's got to learn somehow.
Armor
To address the team.
Technically this should read "as well as as many" because they're two distinct phrases. That does look weird though, so you might want to switch to "along with" instead of "as well as."
Thank you, corrected.
 
"Wolf" shouldn't be capitalized the second time unless you are referring to Superboy's pet.
Mr Zoat capitalizes species names, like Wolf and Human.

I don't see why it's the team's job to deal with his fucked-up brain and priorities.
Because OL is there, and he's the guy who has both the interest in and knack for rehabilitating supervillains. Or in this case, prevent someone from going that direction now that he's on Earth.
 
Mr Zoat capitalizes species names, like Wolf and Human.

Because OL is there, and he's the guy who has both the interest in and knack for rehabilitating supervillains. Or in this case, prevent someone from going that direction now that he's on Earth.
Still seems imprudent. Most of the team is young and inexperienced relative to the League. Sticking them with the problem child is just begging for trouble. They did the same thing in the cartoon when they Batman dumped Damien on them. When he got blasted by Blue Beetle the only thing I could think was that the little shit had it coming. Raising him not to be an asshole was Batman's responsibility and he takes the deadbeat dad route of foisting him off on a bunch of teenagers with issues of their own. If he doesn't have time to raise a kid, he's got the cash to hire a bunch of people to do the job without screwing up a team of heroes the world depends on.

Side note: On the issue of eye protection for the orichalcum armor, Just put a permanent invisibility spell on a solid orichalcum visor. Problem solved.
 
Just put a permanent invisibility spell on a solid orichalcum visor.

So the second you encounter someone or some place that might interfere with magic, you instantly go blind?

Unrelatedly, is anyone else wondering why neither Paul nor Grayven are exploring the Multiverse more? It seems like a lot of problems might have an easy solution just a short dimension hop away. I mean, if he found a higher-powered universe than 16 he could bring back tech that would utterly dominate anything the villains could come up with. If I'm not mistaken both of them have access, because of their interactions with the Crime Syndicate and the Justice Lords.
 
Unrelatedly, is anyone else wondering why neither Paul nor Grayven are exploring the Multiverse more? It seems like a lot of problems might have an easy solution just a short dimension hop away. I mean, if he found a higher-powered universe than 16 he could bring back tech that would utterly dominate anything the villains could come up with. If I'm not mistaken both of them have access, because of their interactions with the Crime Syndicate and the Justice Lords.
OL has scans of a device he doesn't know how to use, and the only data on interplanar travel from the Stewart ring is "very dangerous, call the Guardians". And Grayven's one interplanar jaunt involved somebody else's technology and the phrase "Earth 50 hurts".

Plus, neither of them have any way of knowing what they'd be jumping into; there's all sorts of horrible possibilities. And, supertech from another universe might not work right, or at all anyway.
 
OL has scans of a device he doesn't know how to use, and the only data on interplanar travel from the Stewart ring is "very dangerous, call the Guardians". And Grayven's one interplanar jaunt involved somebody else's technology and the phrase "Earth 50 hurts".

Plus, neither of them have any way of knowing what they'd be jumping into; there's all sorts of horrible possibilities. And, supertech from another universe might not work right, or at all anyway.

Good answer, although the device the Syndicate had told the user something about the target universe. Superwoman scrolled through a few and even identified one as being filled with "horrifying bat-creatures of the night". But that might not work if it's just accessing a remote database Owlman built during the research phase. And I suppose it's reasonable to be afraid of attracting any Combine-style interdimensional empires, or Marvel Zombie-like plagues. Or the Anti-Monitor.

Still seems like an avenue worth pushing, considering the probably-infinite potential involved. Just think about the benefits if he could get a trade network set up with even one other Earth. Not just tech, but intelligence. "Oh, that other version of this person is a villain. Maybe we should pay for them to go see a therapist for free." "Oh, the other earth is getting invaded by this species. Maybe we should develop weapons that work against them." But maybe it's not worth the equally-infinite potential for risk.
 
So the second you encounter someone or some place that might interfere with magic, you instantly go blind?

Unrelatedly, is anyone else wondering why neither Paul nor Grayven are exploring the Multiverse more? It seems like a lot of problems might have an easy solution just a short dimension hop away. I mean, if he found a higher-powered universe than 16 he could bring back tech that would utterly dominate anything the villains could come up with. If I'm not mistaken both of them have access, because of their interactions with the Crime Syndicate and the Justice Lords.
OL has enough problems without importing ones from other earths. Especially if there are higher power earths in this Multiverse. Think of what would happen if he accidentally brought the attention of full fledged comics Darkseid down on Earth 16. Or a bored Myxpytilyx.
 
Because OL is there, and he's the guy who has both the interest in and knack for rehabilitating supervillains. Or in this case, prevent someone from going that direction now that he's on Earth.

You'll notice that Ol doesn't take the Wonder Twins on missions, or Jade, or Kadabra, or anyone else he's rehabilitating.

Therapy is all well and good, but bringing a currently unstable person into a dangerous situation like a battle is begging for something to go wrong.

Sooner or later someone's going to pull a gun on Canis, and he's going to respond the only way he knows how. If OL isn't right there to stop him, then Canis will have killed people on the League's watch.
 
I really don't think Canis is as big of a problem as people are making him out to be. Yes, he needs supervision, but he's quite accustomed to authority figures that won't hesitate to use force to enforce their will -- and he's quite cognizant that the Team is perfectly capable of overpowering him. Given that he WANTS to be a part of the Team, he's willing to play by the rules, even if his reasons for playing by them are different.

He needs babysitting and clear instructions, but he's not really "villainous" in the same sense as the criminals that OL is trying to rehabilitate.
 
By giving him ample opportunities and plenty of motivation to kill people?
Less than if he was elsewhere.

Also, I'll quote the original scene where his joining was first mentioned:

"Now that you're here." Batman takes a moment to make eye contact with each of us. "The Apokoliptian Canis Minor has expressed an interest in joining the team." Can't say I'm completely surprised. I imagine that our lifestyle is far more similar to what he's used to than how the Frees live. "He has considerable skills and experience, though his attitude can be highly abrasive. Both Orange Lantern and Superboy have spent time in his company and can brief you on his personality characteristics. Since he is not being mentored by a Justice League member, the choice on whether or not to admit him will be yours."

Kaldur nods. "Thank you, Batman. We will consider the matter carefully."

I'd say, better inside pissing out. We are going to end up fighting Apokolips eventually, and the more our people can gets their heads around how their society operates the better. Plus he's Kon-strong and doesn't need to go to school five days a week.
 
(I think there might be ONE exception where the renegade's world has a concrete difference in the world outside of the SI's influence.)
I'm not aware if any differences. Care to elaborate?
Unrelatedly, is anyone else wondering why neither Paul nor Grayven are exploring the Multiverse more? It seems like a lot of problems might have an easy solution just a short dimension hop away.
I imagine OL is unwilling to because it would likely violate his oath, in addition to the safety issues. Grayven doesn't have a device handy to dimension hop, although Zoat mentioned recently that he could if he puts the effort in.
Sooner or later someone's going to pull a gun on Canis, and he's going to respond the only way he knows how.
Laugh at the pitiful human technology? Canis is rather difficult to hurt for a baseline human. He wouldn't even consider them a threat.
By giving him ample opportunities and plenty of motivation to kill people?
He's been on variants of guard duty every time he's been on a mission. Anyone brave enough to attack him is probably durable enough to not be in immediate risk of dying.

He's not stupid. He knows that the League doesn't approve of the killing of their Lovelies. He might not totally get why, and is constantly suggesting that this position might be wrong, but he's not interested in murder for its own sake.
 
OL has enough problems without importing ones from other earths. Especially if there are higher power earths in this Multiverse. Think of what would happen if he accidentally brought the attention of full fledged comics Darkseid down on Earth 16. Or a bored Myxpytilyx.
Speaking of which we still haven't seen the blow-back from Grayven downloading information from a Brainiac infested internet when he was in the JLAU verse.
 
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19:27 GMT +4


Roy's subversion arrows arc over the road and strike the security cameras with a dull clunk, sticking them on an unchanging loop of an empty street. Garth and Tula are walking down the pavement along the wall side of the street, dressed in Azerbaijani apparel. Great thing about a country like this as opposed to somewhere like Japan is that there are so many ethnicities in the mix that Atlantean features don't stand out at all. Tula's red hair and Garth's purple eyes might attract a glance or two, but they certainly don't look out of place. Just two young people out for a walk.

"Raaaoowwwwwww!"

"Get the fucking dogs back in the fucking kennel! And when I find the cum-drinking idiot who sent us these useless mongrels I will…"

I lean back, wincing slightly. Richard raises his right eyebrow.

"I still say urine would have worked better."

He taps his earpiece, carefully watching the image transmitted by my surveillance drone. "Guards are moving away. You should have space in five… Four… Three… Two…"

The wall is about three metres tall, topped with razor wire. Slightly offset from the lip on each side is a laser, which means that if a person climbed up they'd trigger an alert as soon as they grabbed onto the top. Someone trying to use a ladder would have a similar problem. For added fun the razor wire is electrified, so anyone who tried grabbing onto it would find themselves spasming and unable to let go. The walls are painted with anti-climbing paint, so an Atlantean's normal fallback of using patches of highly viscous water to let them stick to the surface is out.

None of these protections do anything as I interrupt the power to the street lights for a moment and Garth and Tula trigger their kinetic belts. They aren't as comfortable using them as some of our team mates, but a simple up, over and down is no real test of their abilities. As they go in to land in the cover of some trees I tense for a moment. We couldn't be completely certain that there wasn't something nasty hidden just behind the ward we could see. There are any number of curses available to people who don't mind treating with malevolent Spirits or Demons, and while I'm reasonably confident my Spell Eaters could cope with anything that's actually likely to be there it would completely blow their cover.

"We're in. No problems."

"Understood." I nod to Richard and Roy and they jog across the roof we're standing on, heading towards the alley side. Really, as far as finding Ms Molotova goes their part of the operation is far more important than what the rest of us are doing. We might have to spend a week tracking down every operation and holding the company possesses, but that's the place where we'll find that information. A moment later they're gone, dropping over the edge to join Kaldur in our hired van.

I return my attention to the footage from my drone. I've got the magic detector in position over them, just in case someone who thinks that they're invisible tries to approach my Atlantean colleagues. Mister Crandall's invisibility system works perfectly well against x-rays and infrared but it can't disguise the presence of a soul. I'm going to have to get some sort of visor with an arcane detection system built in created. It's just too useful. Not Sephtian, his industrial work is too important. Maybe I could find someone else familiar with his techniques and hire them instead?

There's an uptick in arcane energy as the Atlanteans get going with their ritual. Bit of a shame that Zatanna's not available, but she has school today.

"Orange Lantern to team, the Atlanteans are in."

"…and Johnny. We were both only just learning what our powers could really do-."

"Kid Flash?"

Jay's voice gets blocked out. "Sorry, Oh El. Rocket asked Jay about Max, and…"

"Okay, but unless it revealed some sort of deep-seated Communist tendencies, please leave it until after the mission."

"Right."

For a moment I consider asking Raquel to get airborne. It won't get properly dark for another hour or so, so she'd have to get pretty high… No. It wouldn't actually reduce her response time by all that much and would create a chance of her being spotted. People don't usually look up without some sort of audible cue, but just one would be enough.

"Orange Lantern to intrusion team. Any difficulty?"

"None so far."

I turn my attention from the drone monitoring the patrols to the monitors I've got tracking Max and General Kerimov. Max is getting a few odd looks, but the General is well into his glad-handing and they appear to be accepting his guest. In fact…

"Kid Flash, could you ask Jay if Max speaks Russian?"

"Yeah, one sec." There's a slight delay. "He says he doesn't think so. He spoke Spanish and French, but no Russian."

Curious. Lip reading at this resolution is an imperfect science, but the ring thinks he's speaking Russian. Again, doesn't mean that he couldn't have learned it, but I tend to assume that if you've been around for a hundred and sixty years and not done something then you've probably decided not to. There wasn't anything on his file about him being politically active outside of the Native American rights movement. Nothing about him even coming to Russia before.

I vaguely remember Edward Clariss from the comics, but he only showed up once as a ghost. I had no idea who this 'Rival'.. person…

Okay. The fact that he was called that in the comics and so was the person the Russians had as a source doesn't necessarily mean that they're the same person. It's just -based on what I've seen so far- a strong indicator. Given the level of security the Russians are operating under there's a good chance that only the Director knows who it was, if anyone else knows that there was a source at all.

Max is acting suspiciously, The Demon Constantine is around and there's a super speed comic character who was known to escape from Hell and possess people.

He's in Max, isn't he?

Ah heck. "Orange Lantern to Kid Flash. How fast is Max compared to you?"

"Ah… About as fast but a lot more experienced. I thought we weren't supposed to be fighting him?"

"We're not. I'm just a little worried that the reason The Demon Constantine is here is to possess him. Which means that we're about to ping two Demons who may -or may not- be aware when we do it."

Okay. From what little I remember, becoming a Demon is supposed to take a very long time. Would a shared super speed ability be enough to allow The Demon Constantine to bind Clariss' damned soul to Max Mercury's body? And what about the control spells they'd need in order for Clariss to control him outright? I can't see any tattoos or drawings on his skin.

"Rocket, when I say 'now', fly to where Tempest and Aquagirl are and stick a barrier around them."

"Got it."

"We're activating the spell."

The rings glow faintly as I prepare to create a railgun construct. I won't be able to obscure it. Anyone looking in this general direction will have their eyes drawn to it. And they'll immediately know who it is making it. Max doesn't appear to respond in any way. Not only does he not look around, there's not even the slightest twitch or saccade of his eyes.

"Two Demons and a major focus of Demon magic. Sending you their locations now."

I have the rings relay the data to my eyes. One Demon and the magic locus are in the mansion's cellar. Constantine, presumably. The other matches the current location of Max Mercury.

"Orange Lantern to team. Max Mercury is possessed. Rocket, change of plan. When I say 'now', get in there and put a barrier around Max."

"My kinetic barrier doesn't stop magic."

"No, but it will stop him punching his way out." My armour materialises around me and I trigger the invisibility system. "I'm going after Constantine."
 
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