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Pff, we all know the next Demon Lord will be OL.
With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
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He can do better than that. He has access to kryptonian, martian, and thanagarian DNA (among others), access to Cadmus through the G-Gnomes, and through the Fatherbox access to superior cloning technology than Cadmus has- The New Gods have cloned Superman successfully twice in the comics, and made their own army of Doomsdays (or pale imitations thereof anyway).
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Did any of them go, "New God science is the best in the universe!"?
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With what the ring can do he could just make a Kryptonian wholesale anyway. Proceed to make an army of overpowered loyal servant and win it all, bonus point for assimilating a bunch of them so they can't betray you or be easily killed.
Except that he'd never even consider doing any such thing, even if he could.
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You apparently missed my point, with his resources he can do better than kryptonian.
And assimilating people isn't smart when you're ring is in the process of becoming costume jewelry because Grayven has no way to recharge it, at present.
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Obviously, if he didn't have Zoat
I know, it was in response to the Kryptonian cloning thing. He could make something a lot better than that by using what make those races powerful in the first place.
Proceed to assimilate yellow power battery.
He'd probably be in prison with a power suppression collar, since if he didn't have such hangups he'd just be another supervillain that the JL would feel free to deal with in their classic Righteous Face Punching way.
He doesn't have one. Nor does he want to exchange a yellow ring for an orange when he can wait a bit and have both.
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Wouldn't exactly work if he has more firepower than them. Also collars don't work on him.
Yes he does, how do you think he recharges his yellow ring exactly? Anyway, it was just an example, he could just steal the orange one he gave away, among other things.
Then they'd find some other way to beat him down. The much less competent Earth 50 proto-Stormwatch did well against him. And they raided Apokolips and came back intact with what they went there for. It's also unlikely that he'd have lasted long enough to have gotten a Father Box if he lacked those "hang ups" you disapprove of. More likely he'd have been beaten down, stripped of his ring and that would be that.
The JL is too limited at what they do, but they are quite good at their specialty.
With a Lantern, not a power battery.
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Saying they'd be able to do it regardless of the situation is hardly an argument and the JL isn't that strong in Earth 16, they all got mind controlled, if the villains hadn't held the idiot ball they'd have killed them all. I don't really disagree with his morals, I find them somehow hypocritical in relation to the way he often behaves.
Couldn't remember the more common name, my bad.
And Renegade couldn't have done that, he lacked the resources.
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It was just to show that they really weren't infallible like you were implying, and even if he couldn't have done that specifically there's a bunch of others things he could have done.
I never said anything about infallibility.
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remember, BOTH timelines got where they are SOLELY due to playing nice with the local power-players, OL because,past everything else, he WANTED, NEEDED, to help people. or to be more ambiguous, to make the world a BETTER place, which would also have the effect of making HIM safer.Renegade did to, till his Anger-management issues got the better of him(though arguably the self-preservation angle was stronger in that instance)...
Renegade... started slipping as the power went to his head, but he DID play nice/friendly for QUITE some time (and its arguable wither or not he's actually in deep cover atm), long enough to gather resources and build a support structure.
if he HADN'T had scruples at the Beginning, things would have been over as soon as he drained his ring with no ability to recharge, which, unless he'd kept a VERY low profile, would have taken days, and attempts to Secure Mr Stewart's Lantern by force would have ended VERY poorly...
Renegade... started slipping as the power went to his head, but he DID play nice/friendly for QUITE some time (and its arguable wither or not he's actually in deep cover atm), long enough to gather resources and build a support structure.
if he HADN'T had scruples at the Beginning, things would have been over as soon as he drained his ring with no ability to recharge, which, unless he'd kept a VERY low profile, would have taken days, and attempts to Secure Mr Stewart's Lantern by force would have ended VERY poorly...
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I don't remember Stormwatch doing that. The Justice Lords went there once or twice to kill of the rest of the Apokoliptian Elite and Scott and Barda 50 paid Grayven 50 a visit, but that's it.
I usually prefix 'power battery' with 'central' to avoid confusion.
Sadly, quite aside from what Sinestro might do in response the Renegade can't convert his yellow lantern due to is being in perfect working order. The thing is literally a channel to the yellow light of fear and is highly resistant.
SI 12 managed without recharging, and he's picked up one or two 'super grade' weapons in the mean time.
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I was talking about Earth 16's JL expedition to rescue the rest of the Forever People. I mentioned Stormwatch in the same post so perhaps it was more confusing than I intended.
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He could have just stolen it from Alan while he wasn't there. Plus there was a couple of guardian containment vessels around that might have been usable, without talking about some others options.
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Oh right. Yes, they've been to Apokolips, certainly.
In the first case, that probably ends with him getting smashed into submission as a supervillain.
In the second scenario, that has a fairly good chance of him taking a Burning Martian to the face.
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Early!Paul would've been so outclassed by the Martian it's ridiculous. Give it ten seconds after meeting him to reduce him to a pile of ashes and an ownerless Orange Ring... and then the universe would possibly have to deal with a Burning Martian Lantern. Gods help us all.
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How they even find out?
I'd say below 10% (there were 12 of those) isn't exactly "fairly good chance".
That might have been on the strong side of things (just a tiny bit, barely a threat at all truly).
On the subject of alternate power sources for the ring, the Demon Binding route leads to the Infernal Lord achievement, and eventually the King of Hell title.
It's actually one of the fastest routes to nigh-unlimited power, but it comes with the downside of most heroes assuming you're a villain right off the bat. On the other hand, once you get high enough up Hell's Hierarchy, you can assume control of England by taking control of the demon worshiping aristocracy. Once you assimilate Demon Constantine, you're on easy street for quite a long time.
It's actually one of the fastest routes to nigh-unlimited power, but it comes with the downside of most heroes assuming you're a villain right off the bat. On the other hand, once you get high enough up Hell's Hierarchy, you can assume control of England by taking control of the demon worshiping aristocracy. Once you assimilate Demon Constantine, you're on easy street for quite a long time.
Hopefully, Sunset will.
Has Grayven asked Sunset what she wants to be the Alicorn of? There's already Sun, Moon, and Love, and Twilight became the alicorn of "friendship" instead of "magic".
Sunset as Alicorn of SCIENCE! for the win.
And, to quote the Venture Brothers, "We are more than men of science! We are men of hope!"
At the very least, Sunset now has examples of what NOT to do when manipulating your biology, magical energies, or soul structure. Learning what mistakes to avoid is far more educational than just finding the correct answer, otherwise Sunset might accidentally turn herself into a new Queen Chrysalis, Tirek, Discord, Smooze, vampire fruit bat, etc.
Thomas Edison: "I didn't fail. I found 1,000 ways how to NOT made a light bulb."
So the genomorphs have access to both a database of arcane lore and a bestiary to experiment on. This is both very awesome and very troubling. Any time someone says "Just think of the potential!", you should stop and reevaluate whatever your doing.
Best case scenario, the genomorphs will gradually build up a database on arcane lore, magical creatures, and the metaphysical development of New Gods' soul structures. Once the genomorphs establish "sufficient overlap with conventional super-science"*, Grayven will share compartmentalized bits and pieces with Cranius of UnCorp (UnGods?), STAR Labs, the Metropolis Institute of Paranormal Studies, and members of the Light (Brain, Lex Luthor, etc.).
*Semi-OT: I remember on Harry Potter fanfic where Snape is often frustrated by muggleborns assuming that potion masters are "unscientific", when in reality countless wizards have devoted their lives to trying to understand how magic/potions work. Just because something doesn't follow how you think physics works doesn't mean it doesn't have its own laws, rules, and patterns of behavior.
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Ok, the link really annoys me. The writers obviously know enough that they can make the distinction between a railgun and a mass driver, and that one is not necessarily the other. But that is clearly not a railgun. There is no contact between the gun and the projectile. Why would they say railgun when someone on the writing team had to know enough that that was wrong?
Actually, I think the League is in the right for not doing stuff like this. What Grayven is doing is very nice and definitely save these 8 kids from a short lifetime of suffering. But any research in their condition isn't broadly applicable at all. For a man of his resources, it's ultimately wasteful to spend so much time on 8 people. The League focuses on preventing accidents like the ones that created these kids, and so save many more people with the time they use compared to spending resources to save a few children that happen to be involved with John Constantine. Superman spending an extra hour sparring so that he knows how to better prevent collateral damage is a much better use of his time than what Grayven is doing.
Given equipping and formula-ing people is pretty quick, having some trustworthy mercenaries on call and a stocked armory in the mountain would be better than spending time on a Weapons program. Sunset is the only one in his group capable of doing original research, so it makes more sense to outsource R&D than to do it himself.
Not sure that he would be able to with the yellow ring. He's a decently skilled ring user, but I don't think he can actually draw enough fear from himself to do something that doesn't create fear quickly. He's noted that building things with the yellow ring is difficult, and I don't think making a Kryptonian would be an easy job even for an orange ring.
Do you mean ring!Sinestro? Because if Gravy bothers to put in the effort to make the yellow lantern orange, he might as well convert the ring as well. A ring without a lantern isn't of much use, and if he's asking the Qwardians anyway for another lantern a ring wouldn't be all that much extra.
If you mean Sinestro 16, I'm unsure as to how he would know given he hasn't talked to Grayven before.
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