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Man this just makes me feel more bad for Sivana and the fact the world lost something great in general.

It sounds like there's a chance.

It might be a slim one and will likely take a good deal of work on Paul's part but if he keeps going someday Sivana might be open to giving it a try.
Mass murderer people. He's not someone who just made the wrong choice and got stuck in a vicious cycle. He's someone who decided that people weren't worth not killing.

Also, I really hope that OL doesn't end up dating Beautia. This chapter has been a slog for me, and the characters annoying. I'll be glad when we get back to other stuff soon.
 
that was touchingly human. I mean yeah the man's a monster, but he's something of a tragic one. It sounds like he just sort of gave up on humanity as a whole. I can also see why OL might be able to work with him, he doesn't care about other people but is utilitarian enough in pursing his own goals that Ol should be able to strike deals with him. Though its also possible he's calmer than normal right now because he's kinda riding the high of being in his own time again, in a place where he doesn't have to setup dead fall traps before going to sleep.


Is there anything actually in those pouches?

parody. That whole arc is fairly meta and the pouch sword is treated about as seriously in universe as it should be.
 
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Man this just makes me feel more bad for Sivana and the fact the world lost something great in general.

It's too bad he is so unwilling to change now but at least he will do good in a different way in protecting the planet from the Sheeda and maybe even sharing his tech in general.
foreign nation diplomacy?
 
Oh I had an interesting idea about the Sheeda and their anti-sun.

When Emil Hamilton went insane and became the supervillain Ruin, his justification was that Superman's solar absorption isn't passive, it's active. He's actively draining energy from the sun, shortening its lifespan.

Now the cops he explained this to laughed at him, since you know the sun's lifespan is supposed to be another 5 billion years, so a few years or whatever getting shaved off at the end just didn't seem to important to them.

But Superman has a lifespan well past a human life span in several continuities, Kingdom Come Superman lived long enough to see the formation of the Legion of Superheroes, DC 1 Million Superman survived into the 853rd century.

And that's just Superman. There's already Superboy, Match, and the Kristen Wells Superwoman. Depending on what elements Zoat adds there could be Supergirl, Power girl, Bizarros, the kandorans, Lisa Jennings, Zod, Chris Kent, Kent Shakespeare, Doomsday, daxamites, Kaleb of Hydros, Mon-El, Laurel Kent, Dev-Em, New Krypton as Counter Earth, up to a million clones of Superboy thanks to Cadmus (in DC 1 Million, one of the justice legions is a team comprised entirely of Superboys, and the leader of that group of Superboys is OMAC, which stands for One Millionth Actual Clone), a superman dynasty that can last to the 853rd century, and that's just off the top of my head.
 
When Emil Hamilton went insane and became the supervillain Ruin, his justification was that Superman's solar absorption isn't passive, it's active. He's actively draining energy from the sun, shortening its lifespan.
Is this like Owlman and the pop-culture version of the Many Worlds Hypothesis? Because like with Owlman, I'm inclined to treat this horrible revelation which is on reflection stupid as a delusion.
 
...that's not how fusion works.

So let's see, the idea that comic book writers care about how science actually works.

I'm flashing back to the scene from Face Off- "No more drugs for that man!"

Or I suppose the alternative is the idea that in DC universes science works the same as our universe? Our universe as opposed to universes such things as the Top gains psychic powers from spinning in place, where time crystallizes into a solid substance known as suspendium, and where luck is determined by a luck gland that metabolizes energy from the stars are actually possible.

Yeah, I'm back to "No more drugs for that man!"
 
I think super-stupid comic book science has to be as stupid as it needs to, but no more. This "Kryptonians are killing the sun" thing is well past that point.
 
The only way that the active drain on the Sun could work would be Magic. Admittedly Comic books torture biology in heinous ways, as Superman shouldn't work biologically, but even with his crazy biology ... a biology that drains the sun, the frikking sun? It's a load of rubbish. And even if did and you had a Mogo Style Kryptonian Planet, the size of the earth drawing power from the sun to be a giant punch planet, then it be a drop in the ocean.
 
no, no that's how all solar power works. they did a study on it and found that if solar power was used in a big way, the sun could go out in as little as 300 or 400 years!
clearly, the Halliburton corporation has our best interests in mind.
with that many kryptonians around, it's not so weird to think DC earth might be in trouble too.
Okay, what the absolute Fuck. How in gods name have they not be crucified for that? That's just ... just ... ARGH!
 
Well, The Old Doc seems to have given up on society in general now. Recruiting the younger ones is possible (and they'd probably fit in better with the group anyway) but the old one seems to regard society (and himself) as a lost cause.
 
Random idea: It's been pointed out that there must be some huge downside to large scale time travel, since it's so rarely used by the top-tier civilizations. The Guardians don't go back in time to fix their mistakes, for example. The Sheeda on the other hand do regularly use large scale time travel - and their Sun is "wrong", their world dying. Connection?


Mr Zoat has mentioned before that OL is worried about the possible effects of assimilating Demons, especially the smart ones. Specifically, he's worried about the possibility of assimilating too many demons resulting in the Orange Light being corrupted or contaminated by Hell. Which would be a Bad Thing.

The Praexis Demons do have the advantage of being too stupid to be really "evil" as such. They're just hungry.


to be completely Fair, the Guardians using time travel to correct their screw-ups REQUIRES the Guardians to be willing to admit they -arent-perfict....
 
So time to trade a sample of jovium with Sivana in return for the right to freely use say the designs for FTL & the Sivanabots. All human made inventions, Sivana gets something that doesn't make him all that much more dangerous and OL gets tech he can with clean conscience spread to humanity.

Humanity in turn gets to take the first few steps on becoming an interstellar power & a post scarcity society. Enabling even a new age of exploration and growth due to free labour for unqualified & semi qualified jobs.
 
Sivana gets something that doesn't make him all that much more dangerous
Two words: Mad. Scientist.

He's probably already got a half-dozen ways to exploit a room-temperature superconductor that he just can't use yet because he doesn't HAVE one.

EDIT: I'm NOT a mad scientist and I can already point out a few... Superconductors mean energy-efficient quick-switching electromagnets, which means better railguns, easier nuclear fusion, more compact antimatter containment, smaller/better/more powerful EMPs... and who knows what kind of unique physics he might discover while just playing with it.

EDIT 2: OH YEAH, and a dramatic breakthrough in computational power thanks to not being limited by heat generation or the limited speed of electrons in silicon.

EDIT 3: ... In retrospect, it's possible that perhaps I AM a mad scientist.
 
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