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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

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gunghoun said:
I think she learned his identity during the demon-invasion crisis, actually. When he was cut with a demonic weapon (may have been the Sword of the Fallen) and couldn't heal without changing back.
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Yes, here:

Mr Zoat said:
The door hums open. "Oh, I just forgot to mention oh God you're a child." Doctor Sivana ♀ gapes. "You're William Batson?!" Awwww shit. "Billy?"

William sheepishly raises his right hand to wave. "Hi.. Miss Tia… How's it going?"
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Mr Zoat said:
12th February
12:26 GMT -5

"Ring, heal William and revoke Doctor Sivana's zeta tube privileges. "

Doctor Sivana ♀ leans against the medical bay wall, head bowed with her right hand pressed against her forehead. "oH gOd, I'm A pEdOpHiLe."

"Compliance."

"Ahhh..?"

"William, you're as fixed as I can make you. I think that now would be an opportune moment to transform and return to Fawcett."

Instead, he takes a few steps towards Doctor Sivana ♀. "Are you okay? I mean, I sort of knew you liked me… Captain Marvel-"

"Oh God."

"-but apart from that time you kissed-"

"oH gOd."

"-it really wasn't-."

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The door closes behind them as I regard Doctor Sivana ♀ for a moment. "Would you mind explaining what you thought you-?"

"I just thought if I-! Ergh!"

Still incoherent. Quick burst of empathic vision then. Ah. "You thought that if you knew his secret identity he'd be less formal with you when you met in public. And you wanted-."

"I don't want it any more!" She managed to look up. "How does he even-?"

"Just… Okay, look, he's ten, you're a Danner enhancile."

A frown. "How do you know-?"

"Your expected lifespan is at least three times that of a normal Human so by the time he's old enough-"

She sags. "Please… Stop."

"-for it not to be creepy you'll still be a young woman. " Maybe that wasn't the right thing to say. "Excuse me."
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The very last part is also relevant to the argument over how affected he is by the Orange Light and/or having an Orange soul. "You have an enhanced lifespan, just wait until he's old enough" is logical from a purely "how to get what you want" standpoint, but a normal person wouldn't have said that, especially under the circumstances. Especially not so unthinkingly, like it was a perfectly reasonable suggestion.
 
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I had basically no idea who Paul was talking to this whole update, and I had the same problem with Melinoe the other day. Zoat at this point you've got so many characters that only show up once or twice that you're going to have to start differentiating them a bit further during subsequent descriptions if you want people catch on. Sure, you know who they are because you've read every comic ever and have the links sitting by and it's your story, but I really don't.

In ancient greek oral histories for example they wouldn't just say "Athena cursed a mortal with impotence", they'd say "Grey-eyed Athena cursed a mortal with impotence". This is because it's easier to remember the second. Similarly something about how Melinoe looked away and a curling horn shading her eye near the start of the recent chapter where she was introduced would have been very helpful, the same with Thana perhaps being pale because of all her time spent underground at the start of the chapter where she's introduced. As is I went through half this chapter wondering which of the people with greek-sounding names Paul brought along as I couldn't for the life of me remember which because all I had to go on was a name with no description.

I really have a hard time following on with remembering all these characters you've got Zoat and not all of us have perfect memory for names, a little help would be appreciated. Also, I have no idea who Mary is. Is she a shop assistant or someone important?
 
Jackercracks said:
I had basically no idea who Paul was talking to this whole update, and I had the same problem with Melinoe the other day. Zoat at this point you've got so many characters that only show up once or twice that you're going to have to start differentiating them a bit further during subsequent descriptions if you want people catch on. Sure, you know who they are because you've read every comic ever and have the links sitting by and it's your story, but I really don't.

In ancient greek oral histories for example they wouldn't just say "Athena cursed a mortal with impotence", they'd say "Grey-eyed Athena cursed a mortal with impotence". This is because it's easier to remember the second. Similarly something about how Melinoe looked away and a curling horn shading her eye near the start of the recent chapter where she was introduced would have been very helpful, the same with Thana perhaps being pale because of all her time spent underground at the start of the chapter where she's introduced. As is I went through half this chapter wondering which of the people with greek-sounding names Paul brought along as I couldn't for the life of me remember which because all I had to go on was a name with no description.

I really have a hard time following on with remembering all these characters you've got Zoat and not all of us have perfect memory for names, a little help would be appreciated. Also, I have no idea who Mary is. Is she a shop assistant or someone important?
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Agreed. I know some other stories (Intrepid, for example) have a cast list. It doesn't have to be super detailed, but just listing major modifications to canon Young Justice characters (sort of like the equipment list for the Team that shows up occasionally) and basic descriptions for characters like Thana. You don't have to include spoilers, but something like "Thana: a Themiscaryn who resides in the Underworld to help guard it from outside attack and to serve as a mortal ambassador" would help a lot.
 
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Whenever I forget who one of the names is referring to, I just highlight it and drag it to a new tab. The answer is generally at the top of google when I switch tabs. Since we are dealing almost exclusively with known characters from DC, mythology, or history, this works much better than a cast list.

obviously there are a few notable exceptions, but it works pretty well for 90%+ of the characters
 
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Trifith said:
Maping: I have a great project for you this weekend! You'll need to set up a wikia account. :)
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Hah! That's a little more involved that I was thinking and honestly, I'm not sure it's worth the effort. Only a few characters would have pages longer than a paragraph or two (assuming we aren't summarizing each and every arc for each member of the team).

BRBonobo said:
Whenever I forget who one of the names is referring to, I just highlight it and drag it to a new tab. The answer is generally at the top of google when I switch tabs. Since we are dealing almost exclusively with known characters from DC, mythology, or history, this works much better than a cast list.

obviously there are a few notable exceptions, but it works pretty well for 90%+ of the characters
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Yeah, you're not wrong. But Zoat's version can differ from mainstream DC/history, so it's not great.
 
You know what I think might be funny? If someone came up to Melinoë and asked if she was a Dark Goddess, thinking she was cosplaying as a human form of Loth or something. Of course Melinoë would answer yes, as she is a Goddess of the Underworld. Then you would have one really confused Goddess of Madness, who doesn't understand why these mortals want to take picture of her and keep complimenting her outfit.
 
Mr Zoat said:
The town had two story buildings. Themyscira City -which I only saw after joining the priestesshood- had buildings as high as four stories.
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So, this is going to be a little weird. In British English, the term is storey and storeys, whilst in American English it's as you've written. But the words are coming out of the mouth of a Themysciran national who doesn't speak English at all, to a British national who is having it translated for him. I have no clue whether it ought to be "story/stories" or "storey/storeys" here. I'd lean on the side of "storey/storeys" since it's being translated for the SI from his ring and he'd be more likely to "hear" the British spelling (if that makes any sense), but I can understand if you don't change it.
 
Masked Thespian said:
So, this is going to be a little weird. In British English, the term is storey and storeys, whilst in American English it's as you've written. But the words are coming out of the mouth of a Themysciran national who doesn't speak English at all, to a British national who is having it translated for him. I have no clue whether it ought to be "story/stories" or "storey/storeys" here. I'd lean on the side of "storey/storeys" since it's being translated for the SI from his ring and he'd be more likely to "hear" the British spelling (if that makes any sense), but I can understand if you don't change it.
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Thank you, corrected.
 
BRBonobo said:
Whenever I forget who one of the names is referring to, I just highlight it and drag it to a new tab. The answer is generally at the top of google when I switch tabs. Since we are dealing almost exclusively with known characters from DC, mythology, or history, this works much better than a cast list.

obviously there are a few notable exceptions, but it works pretty well for 90%+ of the characters
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Yeah. It does work, but personally, we shouldn't have to do homework in order to read the story. There should be enough description that we remember without having to do the dirty work, so to speak.

I think it speaks to how unremarkable and indistinguishable some of the minor characters Zoat have brought in are. If there isn't any description, then they might as well be a background tree for all the good they do for the story.
 
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Mr Zoat said:
"Those, I was more prepared for." She looks thoughtful. "I.. was not born in the Old City of Themyscira."

Oh. Goodness. "You're doing exceptionally well for someone born on the Island."
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What's up here?
She is NOT from there. But the response is stated as if she IS from there?

To put it in RL terms, I'm reading that as similar to:
A) "I've never been to Toronto"
B) "Oh, you handle the heat quite well for a Canadian"
 
Mr Zoat said:
"I'm not tied to Erebos in the same way Father is. But he had so much of Erebos' magic in him when he.. sired me, that my own magic is… Similar. Sort of."
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I know this is a late reply, but this line reminded me of how Earth Prime Alan Scott sired two metahuman children, Jade and Obsidian, who inherited superhumans due to Alan's prolonged exposure to a malfunctioning Green Lantern (Jade) or the magical shadow energy of Ian Karkull (Obsidian).

OL has the Heart of Ophidian as his soul, so any offspring he sires might have an innate connection to the Orange Light of Avarice. OL worrying about such matters would be in-character, as he's genre-savvy and mindful to the potential impact of his decisions. And it could be amusing if he openly talked about getting a vasectomy, or having a sorcerer curse him with infertility, or both just to be on the safe side.

Aside from OL, there's Zatanna who has been strengthening her magical link to a Star Sapphire gem and channeling the Violet Light of Love. Zatanna's children will be Homo Magi super-sorcerers, but may also be born with an innate connection to the Violet Light of Love.

This issue might come up in the Renegade timeline. Grayven injected himself with the Venom-Buster formula, had Father Box use the Orange Light of Avarice to construct an artificial soul, and awakened into a New God, so any offspring he sires will be a super-strong New God who may or may not have an innate connection to the Orange Light of Avarice (or maybe the Yellow Light of Fear).

Furthermore, his fiancée Jade wants to be injected with the Garrick Formula and then awakened into a New Goddess, so the child of Grayven and Jade would be both super-strong and super-fast ( :eek: "A speedster toddler? The horror!") in addition to the possibility of having an innate connection to the Emotional Spectrum.

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QUESTION: When did Clark start manifesting Kryptonian powers? Because I can picture Grayven visiting Martha Kent in Kansas for advice how to raise a super-strong, super-fast child.

Bonus points if Martha Kent is too polite to turn away someone looking for parenting advice, villain or not.

Martha: "Might as well pass my wisdom onto someone since I'm not going to be a grandmother anytime soon."
Superman: :eyeroll:
 
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