With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
- Thread starter Mr Zoat
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Indeed, but she's a different kind, hence why I'm surprised he was able to process it so well.
TheLastOne
Person of impeccable tastes (for destruction)
His soul being made out of Orange hasn't seemed to effect his personality all that much. When he was possessed, he couldn't feel anything but Orange, no love, no compassion. He wanted things, including things for other people, but other peoples viewpoints didn't impinge. He himself admitted he isn't inherently a deeply Orange individual, and that that's probably why he was good at controlling it. Lately, he's been exposed to a great deal of Yellow, and I'm wondering if that's the next color his soul will develop. One at a time, until he has all of them, able to form the White Light and truly be a creature of this universe instead of ours.
Though he seems to be developing the traditionally 'negative' ones first. Orange, then it's looking like Yellow. Probably Red next if the pattern holds.
Um, no.
Paul's soul is part of an eldritch abomination. The Ophidian gave away part of herself in order to give Paul what he needed but don't mistake that for generosity. If anything happens to Paul his soul - and anything it is connected to like, just for example, his personal magic (if any) and his mind - snap right back into whichever Orange Battery the Ophidian is living in at the moment. Once he's trapped with the Ophidian Paul will exist as long as she wants him to.
What does the Ophidian get out of this "bargain?" She gets to keep the first mind that has been able to help her become more than "instant gratification" and make the jump to full sentience .. which means the odds of Paul ever getting out are very, very slim.
Oh, and for bonus points the Ophidian gets a "individual" (post death) who can train potential Orange Lanterns to handle the Orange Light without going crazy.
Note this entire set up is designed to help keep Paul separate from the Orange Light and sane. If he loses his sense of self he'll be the next Larfleeze - and the Ophidian doesn't want that. Between that and his enlightenment Paul is pretty free from "mental contamination."
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- Canada
His soul isn't made out of orange though, it just shines orange so bright that the rest of the spectrum isn't visible (due to him having the Ophidian heart). He supposedly still has his developing wonky soul that can't really perform properly, but the heart is attached to it. He'd really benefit from having an assimilated father box.
I was also thinking he was gonna go through more than one enlightenment, but him not getting it during the Siskin episode makes me doubt that theory now, we'll have to see.
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- Somewhere out there
Are we reading the same fic...?
It's TOTALLY affected his personality. His enlightenment helps keep his personality from going too far off the deep end, but he most certainly doesn't think the same way he thought at the beginning of the fic.
TheLastOne
Person of impeccable tastes (for destruction)
Yes, because he's been through massive stresses, played with his hormones, been possessed by a universal god of an abstract mental state, taken up a violent profession that eats up all his time, is grappling with how to end comic book stasis, and become enlightened. He isn't nearly as Orange as he should be simple by wearing the ring, nevermind the idea of having a soul made out of it.
I don't think the Yellow arc is ended yet though. He's flirting with the Goddess of Nightmares - that seems like an extension of what happened before. Just as he had to do more then simply look at all his desires, he had to put them in there places, becoming enlightened about Yellow requires more then just overcoming your fears. Otherwise lots of Greens would be enlightened. He'll have to come to understand why he is afraid, what place fears belongs to, why it's good and health, and put it in that context.
Hate, and therefore RED, seems tied to dealing with Doctor Fate.
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The whole passage should be canon, correction as if it was.
Well Hades is also a god of wealth. . . there may be some daddy issues, or selection based on similarities, going on.
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- Canada
Paul doesn't actually know though. Zoat said (I'm paraphrasing) that his 'own' soul is like a level 3 bulbasaur next to the heart of the Ophidian which is like a level 99 Articuno.
We'll see, though enlightenment doesn't seem to be about overcoming, which is what people do when they're faced with a 'negative' emotion (hence why a greenie is unlikely to ever become fear enlightened), but accepting the emotion and all it implies fully, no matter how strong it is. So, I'd expect someone like scarecrow to have that particular type (does he Zoat?) and for Paul to get it if he's in a situation similar with extreme emotional strength as he had when he was possessed by the Ophidian.
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- texas
In mythology yes, in this fic, no, wealth is Plutus' dominion, and he isn't sharing, at least not with Hades, according to word of Zoat.
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- Wishing I was somewhere much colder, I asssume.
I thought it was confirmed that Hades owns everything under the earth, including the metals and gems and things.
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- forest grove oregon
Are you sure you're not just thinking of percy jackson? Because I know that it was confirmed in there and I do not remember it being stated in this fic.
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- Wishing I was somewhere much colder, I asssume.
I recall it coming up when Paul gave him space-gold.
In response I made some kind of argument that, since Hades owns everything under the Earth, giving him space-gold makes all of his other gold just a bit less valuable.
You know, going to super villians as your counter seems like a poor move, and but the other gods are worse doesn't really help your point either.
Family Day (part 6)
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- Hampden Park
23rd April
12:27 GMT -6
Donna looks around with a smile as I walk into the… Female… Accessory.. shop. Ugh, it's just like Claire's back on Earth Prime whenever I went there to get a birthday present for someone or for hair bands; I can feel my testosterone evaporating to shield me from the femininity of the place. Melinoë's eyes dart in my direction then return to the.. thing Mary Marvel née Bromfield is showing her the second she realises that I'm looking back.
"Any news?" Thana's a little closer to the door, most likely not feeling comfortable having all the weird things at closer quarters.
"Ms Deva didn't really care. She actually found the idea of someone suing Cronus for paternity amusing." She's very much not in my reform class and.. I.. don't really have the time to spend rehabilitating someone created as an instrument of vengeance by a bound and bitter Titan.
"Did you have any difficulty in persuading the Atlanteans to aid you?"
Now, think it through. Thana's speaking Themysciran Greek, but the other patrons and the shop assistants can't understand that or differentiate between it and Modern Greek. True, they're mostly staring at Melinoë's amazing cosplay but we are -sort of- here incognitoish. I don't want to risk anyone overhearing anything which blatantly says 'super person'.
Ring, switch to Themysciran Greek.
Compliance.
"Not really. I ended up speaking to a fish-tailed Atlantean called Onesimus." Who wised up pretty fast when he realised that the Goddess of Nightmares and Madness was standing in the same room as him. Apparently they still… Not 'worship', but certainly acknowledge her in Atlantis. "After being flabbergasted, telling me that even if it was possible it would take centuries and flat out refusing to look into it for me. But, we were able to persuade him."
"I'm sure that I wouldn't be able to understand the technical aspects..?"
"Normally when they analyse an arcane artefact they do a complete analysis. It would be…" A bit morbid, but so is she. "Like examining every part of the body of a murder victim in detail so that you don't miss even the slightest thing that might lead to the culprit."
She nods hesitantly. "Only.. the.. murder victim.. is a god?"
"Sorry, bad metaphor. What they normally do provides much more information than I need." Um. "Than I probably need, and if a simpler examination doesn't give me what I'll need then I'm going to have to work out how to improve their equipment before I do anything else."
"Ah." She nods. "So you would merely be comparing their domains, rather than the whole of their magics."
"Right. And they can do that."
So by Monday I should have a rough idea of the arcane relatedness of Euanthe (daughter by magic of Gaea and Uranus), Diana (daughter by magic of Gaea and blessed by the Six), Hades (natural son of Cronus and Rhea), Melinoë (natural daughter of Hades and Persephone), Ares (natural son of Zeus and Hera), Hera (natural daughter of Cronus and Rhea), Hippolyta (natural daughter of Otrera and Ares), Cottus (natural -I think- son of Gaea and Uranus), Deva (daughter by magic of Cronus and blessed by the Titans), Donna Troy (not really sure), Tartarus (really not sure) and -just for a giggle- Orange Lantern 2814, who incidentally is the only one not related to all of the others.
I mean, you joke about them all being more inbred than the Habsburgs, but think about it for a moment. Gaea is Zeus' grandmother and grandmother in law, being the grandmother of his wife and mother of both of his parents. Euanthe is Diana's.. half sister, at least. Hades is Diana's nephew, though maybe 'created by magic' and 'naturally borne' changes that a little. Melinoë is Diana's great niece and Deva is her niece. Hippolyta, her adopted mother, is her great great niece. It's a bit strange that Euanthe is so much weaker than the others… Or was, anyway, since I'm not completely sure how strong she is now. Maybe if Diana's creation hadn't been blessed she'd be more like Golden Age Wonder Woman, extremely capable but not really super powered. Or… I don't know, maybe Euanthe only has Uranus' magic innately and learned how to use the Green. I don't really know enough about Uranus' magic to comment. Gaea was supposed to create them using his blood, right?
"Is there some sort of Amazon betting pool I'll need to notify?"
Thana shakes her head. "When she first arrived, it was so widely assumed that she was sired by Zeus that no one was interested in placing such a bet. Now it will merely be a matter of curiosity."
"Melinoë getting on alright?"
"I was surprised by how muted the reaction to her was."
"How is she reacting to them?"
"She.. hasn't cursed anyone to endure eternal nightmares-" I cover up a nervous expression with my right fist. "-which is something that it is well within her power to do." She frowns. "Miss Mary said something about it being hard to get makeup for someone of her complexion."
"Well… Yes."
"One youth asked if she was 'cosplaying'-" That word must have been in English. "-as.. some sort of Elf."
"A Dark Elf?"
"It may have been. I only know because Miss Mary was kind enough to translate it for me. Melinoë has no elfin heritage. She does not even look like an Elf. Why would they ask such a thing?"
"Elves are depicted in popular fiction as looking very different to how they really look. I'm not sure where Dark Elves started being shown as grey skinned… Might have been Dungeons and Dragons-." And I've lost her. "It's a role.. play.. game… It's not important. The fact is, it would seem far more likely to them that she was a normal Human in costume than literally being a goddess… That he probably wouldn't have heard of anyway."
Thana nods. "I suppose I can see why he might think that." She pauses, as if not quite sure how to address the next point. "But if he did not recognise her, why did he apologise and flee when told that his initial supposition was incorrect?"
"In our society, it's considered.. impolite… To draw attention to physical abnormalities. Once he was informed that it wasn't a costume…"
"He thought that he had been rude… To a normal woman who happened to look a little unusual?" I nod. "I see."
"How have you been coping with everything?"
"I keep my eyes focused firmly on the ground. I thought that I was used to large buildings… I have seen visions of Lord Hades' palace, and of the structures of Asphodelopolis which are bound together with Erebos' own magic. But this.. Fawcett City…" She shakes her head. "I looked up and it gave me vertigo. I should have listened more to what our wandering theatre troupe said of the outside world."
"And the colours? The noise? The men?"
"Those, I was more prepared for." She looks thoughtful. "I.. was not born in the Old City of Themyscira."
Oh. Goodness. "You're doing exceptionally well for someone born on the Island."
She shakes her head. "I believe that the town into which I was born was technically in Thracian territory. We moved into Themysciran territory during… I don't believe that the war ever received a name. The town had two storey buildings. Themyscira City -which I only saw after joining the priestesshood- had buildings as high as four storeys. Here… It is not so much the height of the very tall buildings which concerns me so much as the higher average height, I think."
I glance back at our shoppers. Mary is attempting to attach a gold chain to Melinoë's left forehorn. I catch Donna say the word 'piercing' and the Goddess of Nightmares and Madness jerks back in horror. "Would you like to go up one?"
"I think that I shall leave that to the rest of you."
"Oh, come on." I glance outside. "Once you're running this fast it's easier to keep-" Doctor Sivana ♀ walks past the window. "-going. Would you excuse me for just a moment? There's someone outside I should probably say hello to."
12:27 GMT -6
Donna looks around with a smile as I walk into the… Female… Accessory.. shop. Ugh, it's just like Claire's back on Earth Prime whenever I went there to get a birthday present for someone or for hair bands; I can feel my testosterone evaporating to shield me from the femininity of the place. Melinoë's eyes dart in my direction then return to the.. thing Mary Marvel née Bromfield is showing her the second she realises that I'm looking back.
"Any news?" Thana's a little closer to the door, most likely not feeling comfortable having all the weird things at closer quarters.
"Ms Deva didn't really care. She actually found the idea of someone suing Cronus for paternity amusing." She's very much not in my reform class and.. I.. don't really have the time to spend rehabilitating someone created as an instrument of vengeance by a bound and bitter Titan.
"Did you have any difficulty in persuading the Atlanteans to aid you?"
Now, think it through. Thana's speaking Themysciran Greek, but the other patrons and the shop assistants can't understand that or differentiate between it and Modern Greek. True, they're mostly staring at Melinoë's amazing cosplay but we are -sort of- here incognitoish. I don't want to risk anyone overhearing anything which blatantly says 'super person'.
Ring, switch to Themysciran Greek.
Compliance.
"Not really. I ended up speaking to a fish-tailed Atlantean called Onesimus." Who wised up pretty fast when he realised that the Goddess of Nightmares and Madness was standing in the same room as him. Apparently they still… Not 'worship', but certainly acknowledge her in Atlantis. "After being flabbergasted, telling me that even if it was possible it would take centuries and flat out refusing to look into it for me. But, we were able to persuade him."
"I'm sure that I wouldn't be able to understand the technical aspects..?"
"Normally when they analyse an arcane artefact they do a complete analysis. It would be…" A bit morbid, but so is she. "Like examining every part of the body of a murder victim in detail so that you don't miss even the slightest thing that might lead to the culprit."
She nods hesitantly. "Only.. the.. murder victim.. is a god?"
"Sorry, bad metaphor. What they normally do provides much more information than I need." Um. "Than I probably need, and if a simpler examination doesn't give me what I'll need then I'm going to have to work out how to improve their equipment before I do anything else."
"Ah." She nods. "So you would merely be comparing their domains, rather than the whole of their magics."
"Right. And they can do that."
So by Monday I should have a rough idea of the arcane relatedness of Euanthe (daughter by magic of Gaea and Uranus), Diana (daughter by magic of Gaea and blessed by the Six), Hades (natural son of Cronus and Rhea), Melinoë (natural daughter of Hades and Persephone), Ares (natural son of Zeus and Hera), Hera (natural daughter of Cronus and Rhea), Hippolyta (natural daughter of Otrera and Ares), Cottus (natural -I think- son of Gaea and Uranus), Deva (daughter by magic of Cronus and blessed by the Titans), Donna Troy (not really sure), Tartarus (really not sure) and -just for a giggle- Orange Lantern 2814, who incidentally is the only one not related to all of the others.
I mean, you joke about them all being more inbred than the Habsburgs, but think about it for a moment. Gaea is Zeus' grandmother and grandmother in law, being the grandmother of his wife and mother of both of his parents. Euanthe is Diana's.. half sister, at least. Hades is Diana's nephew, though maybe 'created by magic' and 'naturally borne' changes that a little. Melinoë is Diana's great niece and Deva is her niece. Hippolyta, her adopted mother, is her great great niece. It's a bit strange that Euanthe is so much weaker than the others… Or was, anyway, since I'm not completely sure how strong she is now. Maybe if Diana's creation hadn't been blessed she'd be more like Golden Age Wonder Woman, extremely capable but not really super powered. Or… I don't know, maybe Euanthe only has Uranus' magic innately and learned how to use the Green. I don't really know enough about Uranus' magic to comment. Gaea was supposed to create them using his blood, right?
"Is there some sort of Amazon betting pool I'll need to notify?"
Thana shakes her head. "When she first arrived, it was so widely assumed that she was sired by Zeus that no one was interested in placing such a bet. Now it will merely be a matter of curiosity."
"Melinoë getting on alright?"
"I was surprised by how muted the reaction to her was."
"How is she reacting to them?"
"She.. hasn't cursed anyone to endure eternal nightmares-" I cover up a nervous expression with my right fist. "-which is something that it is well within her power to do." She frowns. "Miss Mary said something about it being hard to get makeup for someone of her complexion."
"Well… Yes."
"One youth asked if she was 'cosplaying'-" That word must have been in English. "-as.. some sort of Elf."
"A Dark Elf?"
"It may have been. I only know because Miss Mary was kind enough to translate it for me. Melinoë has no elfin heritage. She does not even look like an Elf. Why would they ask such a thing?"
"Elves are depicted in popular fiction as looking very different to how they really look. I'm not sure where Dark Elves started being shown as grey skinned… Might have been Dungeons and Dragons-." And I've lost her. "It's a role.. play.. game… It's not important. The fact is, it would seem far more likely to them that she was a normal Human in costume than literally being a goddess… That he probably wouldn't have heard of anyway."
Thana nods. "I suppose I can see why he might think that." She pauses, as if not quite sure how to address the next point. "But if he did not recognise her, why did he apologise and flee when told that his initial supposition was incorrect?"
"In our society, it's considered.. impolite… To draw attention to physical abnormalities. Once he was informed that it wasn't a costume…"
"He thought that he had been rude… To a normal woman who happened to look a little unusual?" I nod. "I see."
"How have you been coping with everything?"
"I keep my eyes focused firmly on the ground. I thought that I was used to large buildings… I have seen visions of Lord Hades' palace, and of the structures of Asphodelopolis which are bound together with Erebos' own magic. But this.. Fawcett City…" She shakes her head. "I looked up and it gave me vertigo. I should have listened more to what our wandering theatre troupe said of the outside world."
"And the colours? The noise? The men?"
"Those, I was more prepared for." She looks thoughtful. "I.. was not born in the Old City of Themyscira."
Oh. Goodness. "You're doing exceptionally well for someone born on the Island."
She shakes her head. "I believe that the town into which I was born was technically in Thracian territory. We moved into Themysciran territory during… I don't believe that the war ever received a name. The town had two storey buildings. Themyscira City -which I only saw after joining the priestesshood- had buildings as high as four storeys. Here… It is not so much the height of the very tall buildings which concerns me so much as the higher average height, I think."
I glance back at our shoppers. Mary is attempting to attach a gold chain to Melinoë's left forehorn. I catch Donna say the word 'piercing' and the Goddess of Nightmares and Madness jerks back in horror. "Would you like to go up one?"
"I think that I shall leave that to the rest of you."
"Oh, come on." I glance outside. "Once you're running this fast it's easier to keep-" Doctor Sivana ♀ walks past the window. "-going. Would you excuse me for just a moment? There's someone outside I should probably say hello to."
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daimahou
Hear... Feel... Think...
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Hades and Persephone), Ares
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- Hampden Park
Thank you, corrected.
NeoDarklight
Lord of Mind
Quick reminder of who this Doctor Sivana is, please?
HanEmpire
Delicious
Wait, I thought she was conceived by Zeus pretending to be Hades?
Ganurath
Literal Enthusiast
- Location
- A Valid Location
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- He/Him
She's the pretty lady with the Danner formula who wanted to have sex with Captain Marvel until she learned his civilian identity was a prepubescent boy she was tutoring.
Winged One
Not the Simurgh
- Location
- definitely the ground
- Pronouns
- They/Them/It
If I remember right, Billy Batson's older friend, who is in a family of mostly-supervillains who mostly fight Captain Marvel. As the need to differentiate her by gender implies, they're mostly science villains, though they also do magic stuff.
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- Hampden Park
If so, no one in the setting except him knows that.
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