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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
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zhuull
SB still lying to protect Racists what else is new
No "pride of place" is a perfectly normal and correct turn of phrase. You run across it in older literature all the time.
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He's just sticking with the last time zone he was in.
Jackercracks
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QUESTION: In the Renegade timeline, Grayven freed Miss Martian from the ancient genetic tampering performed by the Guardians.
Is Miss Martian still capable of binary sexual reproduction with "shackled" Martians? Or does their pyrophobia prevent the telepathic intimacy needed to have offspring?
It'd make sense if the Guardians had a secondary failsafe whereby if a Martian someone managed to overcome their genetic tampering, they wouldn't be able to reproduce with "shackled" Martians and thus prevent it from spreading to the next generation.
What about the Genomorphs? Could they be used to facilitate the telepathic aspect of reproduction among Martians freed from the Guardian's tampering?
From a social perspective, it'd be interesting if the Genomorphs effectively became a "third gender" needed to facilitate reproduction among freed Martians. The closest comparison I can think of is from "Star Trek: Enterprise" where the Vissian race has male, female, and 'congenitors' where congenitors are needed to help the male and female procreate.
Link: Cogenitor
Link: Bizarre Alien Sexes - TV Tropes
Mizu
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too far behind
Poor non-telepath Martian guy. Seems he's having the Greenie programming come undone, which shall have...issues.
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He didn't make her into a burning martian, he made her into a red martian. Red martians haven't been shown to have any problem reproducing, and if a martian was really freed of the tampering they'd be a burning martian and be a genocidal torture to death-sexual who doesn't need partners, just victims.
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Thank you, corrected.
Wasn't exactly genetic, but okay.
The Renegade doesn't know.
The Renegade doesn't know.
Strictly speaking, no. She thinks it made her a Red Martian while it actually made her a red Martian. Red Martians still have Guardian programming. She doesn't.
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BlackLantern2814
Hello darkness my old friend.
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I think he was asking you, not the renegade.
Empiricist2
Let's play doctor!
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Why would the Renegade know what Zoat says?I think he was asking you, not the renegade.
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Nah, I think this is--
Dangit! (Mine's on the second in between those two. XD)
Okay, props for that one, I haven't thought of that video in years.
BlackLantern2814
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Because magic!
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So wait, if he can't form a mental connection to other Martians how did the Guardians telepathic programing get transferred to him?
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It probably didn't, at least not completely.
That would explain why he has dreams about loving the absolute fuck out of fire.
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Probably he ISN'T hard-wired to fear fire, and it's only a lifetime of living in a society that IS that makes his conscious mind afraid of it. There are other ways of transferring memetic entities besides telepathy, after all.
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But according to the convention he is using, if he does not want to track the time the Natives of Mars uses, he does have an applicable time there, Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) which is basically the same as GMT, but the ± Adjustment makes no sense at all, because Mars is not in that time zone.
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No one mentioned this. Which sounds like missing/modified memories. Someone mentioned another version of him had been mind whammed by the other Martians for the crime of being mind controlled. Can they do that separate from telepathy?
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... is anyone else having a horrible suspicion that Mal HIMSELF might be perfictly sane,productive and non-murdery, but there is a chance for a potential "monster from the id"/enemy without/within" scenario here?
or yeah. him being Manchurian-ed
on the side, i wonder how Doctor Quinzel is doing with her work? i always liked her other incarnations, and i have to admit the the idea of potentially getting a look at a version of her who didn't get driven around the bend/severe stockholms quite a few chapters back got my interest.
or yeah. him being Manchurian-ed
on the side, i wonder how Doctor Quinzel is doing with her work? i always liked her other incarnations, and i have to admit the the idea of potentially getting a look at a version of her who didn't get driven around the bend/severe stockholms quite a few chapters back got my interest.
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Question: how does being born without telepathy prevent other telepaths from communicating telepathically with him when they are shown to do so with non-telepaths all the time?
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It's never been established that merging with the Ophidian is safe or consequence-free. In fact, this reminds me a lot of the foreshadow-y conversation he had with Clarice Sackville about how abandoning humanity has consequences.
You'll note that the Guardians don't seem to have a policy of designating someone "Ion" and have them merge full-time in this universe.
If the Emotional Entities grant phenomenal cosmic power for free, why has the combination of emotional enlightenment + Entity never occurred before - or if, as seems more likely, it has, why didn't it continue? How were the Entities separated from their hosts and imprisoned, and why are they kept imprisoned? Why aren't they ruling fiefdoms or acting as hyper-elite troops for the existing Glow users? Why is this incredibly useful resource being wasted?
You can't even say "because comics", because the Guardians and Zamorans did use their Entities this way in the comics, but there's no hint of it here.
Don't speak too soon. He's phrasing it in ways that are very, very sympathetic to someone from our culture - which he's studied extensively- but he's still the single Martian who's shown the most racial resentment onscreen, by a serious margin.
Yeah, why is he a White Martian, if he's been immune to telepathy from birth?
This could be a lie.
Why not keep such a dangerous ability a secret, especially when you're already somewhat hated by your society? It's only sensible.
OL is, after all, holding back crucial information about the Burners himself that might well explain this poor fellow's terrible nightmares.
So ... he's totally immune to telepathy, right?
Sure, a terrible disability in a telepathic society, but also a superpower in it's own right - after all, it's not like humans are immune to telepathy, we just can't project it.
It's a superpower that's uniquely potent in a telepathic society, at that.
Incidentally: I'm surprised OL isn't using his empathic vision in this scene, although it might have been awkward to explain. He's the only psychologist on Mars who can, in fact, look inside his head.
The tampering has two components - genetic and telepathic. The genetic tampering gives them two sexes and makes them empathic; the telepathic tampering makes them pyrophobic, changes their colour, and supposedly them more empathic still (although there's been no evidence of this so far.)
Martians are naturally red; the Burner they met looked pretty much like a Red Martian in a standard battleform, according to J'emm. "Red Martians" are still red because their Guardian programming is weaker - which is the same reason they're somewhat less afraid of fire. But it's still there; J'emm almost passed out on seeing a Burning Martian.
R!M'gann is now something totally unique; a modern Martian genetically and culturally, but lacking in Guardian programming to turn her white or make her afraid.
As an aside - it's unclear what the difference is between White Martians and Green Martians. The obvious guess is that Reds are the earliest prototype, Whites are another prototype, and Greens are the final product, with the coloration being for Guardian convenience in distinguishing them.
That would suggest that Whites may genuinely be more violent. However, with all the comparisons that have been made to human racism both in and out of universe, I don't buy that for meta reasons.
But they could be overly fearful - it would explain how they were subjugated, and it's something Guardians would see as a defect. Or maybe the Guardians reduced telepathic strength in the final iteration for safety reasons, which would explain why M'gann has strength that's supposed to be restricted to Reds (although this is seemingly unusual.)
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I'm guessing that the birth defect makes him immune to the kind of mumbo jumbo telepathy fields a telepath creates. His brain simply doesn't connect with other minds, doesn't transmit signals at all. A normal human mind, however, can presumably interact with these fields, though not actively without the ability to do so. Mal can't even do it passively.
hance1986
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*Finally catches up*
So. Now that the story-only thread is caught up, I'm switching to watching that. However, is there any reason it only threadmarks some of the posts? Is it just the arcs?
So. Now that the story-only thread is caught up, I'm switching to watching that. However, is there any reason it only threadmarks some of the posts? Is it just the arcs?
Empiricist2
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Threadmarking every post would be a waste of everyone's time. Threadmarking just the beginning of episodes makes the most sense.
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Thank you, corrected.
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