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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

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uju32 said:
At least he's having fun....

Welp.
And now he's fighting a bona fide invasion of alien mind controllers in the sky of a major American city.
That makes....the third mass incursion by non-human intelligences he's had to fight in the last year?

Looks like someone should be hitting the League button.
And call in Chubby and his brothers; the situation is serious enough that demons in the sky are the least of anyone's worries..

But it really does point at the irresponsibility of the Light that no one thought it was worth delivering a FedEx message to the Themysciran embassy asking Diana to have her friends look out for Star Hunters.

I would still love to find out how the Star Conquerors knew that delivery was to the Gotham office.
I would love to know how the Light knew.
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at least one of their non-confirmed dead for real members is a mass-murdering psychopath. another is Karion, of course, and i dont really think Ra's is really any better then either when it boils down to it, all things considered (on the off chance he had another escape plan). Paragon verse Luthor's probably the sanest on the team.

we passed responsible when they recruited Klarion. we're at the existential threat to humanity/batman genuinely tempted to grab a gun level now X_X
 
Angelform said:
Time to go full lethal I think. Would Crumblers or a Maser work better against TK barriers?

Also Paul is really slipping if he didn't expect evil scientists to have a monster in the basement.
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depends on the device or lifeform projecting the barrier, and their level of education/knowledge of physics/how the universe works.
for its flaws, im quite fond of the Inheritance cycle's approach to magical combat/defence, i.e if you dont know whats attacking you, its bloody hard to defend against it to start with...
 
Squiddlebuddy said:
Not so; it's simply different mechanisms. The Sword is useful against beings that exist primarily as magic and create corporeal avatars whose death would normally not harm the being itself, simply by making avatar death count as real. The Star Conquerors aren't such an entity, simply mundane telepaths, regardless of how assimilation affects them.

In short, it's not power levels, it's just two independent effects that happen to look kind of similar.
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while partially disputing my point, and i thank you for doing so, the category you just described encompasses what the young justice setting calls souls, with this in mind, along with the assertion that telepathy can neither cause a magic connection by itself, nor by extension cause a connection by which assimilation can (as a form of magitek) be 'watered down', i think, as long as we also assume that assimilation works by subverting a soul via its interaction with the Emotional Spectrum, we can safely assume that the Star Conquerors share a form of "Hivesoul" that can be thus be damaged by the Sword.

i'm sorry if, should you respond to this, my response to such is delayed. it is rather late in the part of the world where i live.
 
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Mr Zoat said:
"I don't know. I've never tested them against anything like this before. M'gann has trouble blocking attacks with a minimal physical component, but the Green Lantern Corps' records show that Star Conquerors don't."
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Maybe MM should work on increasing her skill with telekinesis after seeing how potent Star Hunters are with it. She's been learning advanced telepathy techniques, got the shapeshifting pendant a little while ago, so getting more advanced telekinesis training is a logical next step. Even if she can't learn form from another Martian, she could learn better application from some other telikine on Earth.

Or, they are going to Mars soon. Could be an opportunity there.
Mr Zoat said:
A quick optical check shows that the Star Hunter has telekinetically torn apart the vessels containing the frozen Star Conquerors with its telekinesis,
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Redundant
Mr Zoat said:
"A trap we could not even recognise! So elegant!" Glad Canis approves, though unless he has something helpful to say he really shouldn't say it over the comms-. "Aqualad, if we cannot slay these revenants, where shall we deposit them? I did not think to bring bindings and my aunt -ugh- tells me that
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Canis is a fun character.
 
mrttao said:
I do not remember.
I remember grayven doing it, and IIRC mainline OL solved things too fast and too neatly so he didn't get a hold of that sword.
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Nope. First of the Fallen didn't even show up in the Renegade timeline, as Constantine wasn't there to summon him like a fucking lunatic. Renegade killed Sabbac.
 
It has been shown that will can help a being resist assimilation, so it might be possible that assimilation of a Star Conqueror would be more difficult than other beings, as a telepathic overlord is likely to possess a strong will and sense of self. Also, even without a collective consciousness or soul others of its kind might be able to bolster it's will answer mind against the process by telepathy alone.
And as for the Sword, it's been hinted that it's just flat-out good for killing things, and so yeah might be good for killing the body of a Star Hunter, but you would actually have to cut the thing first, and the ring charge requirements to bring out the Sword could likely be better used in the current situation.
 
Marcus.D.Basterd said:
while partially disputing my point, and i thank you for doing so, the category you just described encompasses what the young justice setting calls souls
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This, I think, is the sticking point. It's fairly clear that that category doesn't include souls, since Grayven observed that the Sword doesn't add anything against most foes even though most foes will have souls.

Perhaps an analogy to illustrate the difference. Imagine a human wizard. He has a soul, and he has a body. Kill the body, and the soul is released into the afterlife; the wizard dies. Now imagine that before being killed, he turns himself into some kind of lich. His soul is bound to a phylactery, and he controls a body. Kill the body and he just retreats to the phylactery, rather than dying. And now the Sword can be useful against him: Kill him with it, and its magic causes the death of the body, ordinarily harmless to him, to pry his soul loose from the phylactery and send it on to the afterlife.

The lesson to take here is that Star Conquerors are human wizards.
 
PostwarGryphon said:
Don't you just hate it when a boss battle calls in his clone just when you think you're about to win?
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OL: Orange Lantern to League, we need backup! There are Star Conquerors coming in...
Superman: Here I come to save the day!
Team: Hooray!
Superman: *gets facehugged*
Team: Doh!
Superman: *faces Orange Lantern and uses his heat vision... killing the mini starro clone and freeing himself.*
Team: Hooray!
Superman: What? Oh yeah. What's the situati- *gets facehugged again*
OL: Dammit!
Nabu: Fear not, Mortals! For Fate has decreed that evil will not triumph on this day *gets facehugged*
OL: ...

~Some time later~
Zatara: Orrats, pots gnigguhecaf elpoep.
Starro: Dammit!
OL: Now to finish this fight! *slams Fate's helmet on top of the Star Conqueror*
Nabu: Yes! Once more Dr. Fate has a physical form to... what the hell? *realizes he's inside a giant one-eyed starfish and plummets to the ground*
OL: I consider this a win. I mean... since Nabu can't use his host's abilities and I can always just blow up the Star Conquerer with a railgun if something goes wrong.

~Still later~
Klarion: Hehe! It's too late, you super fools! I'm about to have my fun once... *rumbling is heard in the distance* what was that?
Nabu: *smashing through the wall kool-aid man style while wearing the Star Conquerer body dressed in his Dr. Fate costume* FATE WILL STOP YOU!
Klarion: Holy ****! What's going on?!
Nabu: FAATE!
Klarion: Witch Boy is outta here! *runs away*
Nabu: EYE CONTACT! *follows Klarion with his giant cycloptian eyeball*
 
Mr Zoat said:
Priorities. Take down the people shooting at me with the weird gun comes first. Also note that they were sparking and burning as they hit the floor. The Star Conquerors added a scuttling charge.
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Ah, makes sense for why he wouldn't be to take them, but isn't the ring scan pretty much instantaneous? I'd thought that at this point he just automatically scanned any and all interesting tech he could see (obviously the guns could have just been warded making that not a possibility, though I'm unsure how they'd have managed it).
 
Anyway at this rate I hope that right as OL defeats the star hunters a nicely sized star conqueror appears just to fuck with his day, it shall bring me great amusement.
 
Gantradies said:
we passed responsible when they recruited Klarion.
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The evidence seems to be that Klarion invited himself, rather than them seeking him out.

StormRider said:
And as for the Sword, it's been hinted that it's just flat-out good for killing things, and so yeah might be good for killing the body of a Star Hunter, but you would actually have to cut the thing first, and the ring charge requirements to bring out the Sword could likely be better used in the current situation.
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Also, telekinesis is actually one of the best defenses against the Sword. The Sword ignores armor and cuts though force fields, but TK generally works by pushing the attack away from the telekine rather than trying to passively resist it.
 
I just realized something. Teekl might assimilate Klarion. She has the ability, and she probably considered him hers from the beginning.
 
StormRider said:
It has been shown that will can help a being resist assimilation, so it might be possible that assimilation of a Star Conqueror would be more difficult than other beings, as a telepathic overlord is likely to possess a strong will and sense of self.
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I think it's more that the power ring powered by will can disrupt assimilation, as I imagine rings of other colors can.
Mr Zoat said:
It's pretty quick, but it isn't instant. Star Conquerors have fought Lanterns before. They know the score.
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I look forward to more fights where the people are familiar with Lanterns and generally how to counter them. Makes them a much bigger threat than they normally would be.

Also, how well would a phased particle beam do against telekinetic shields? Knowing that Star Hunters can negate most beam weapons and stop projectiles before they can detonate, phased attacks seem logical to attempt. Making a crumbler construct unmake a long cylindrical area pointed at the Star Hunter may work as well.
 
Mr Zoat said:
Nope. Star Conquerors have neither a collective consciousness not a collective soul.
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Yeah, Starros aren't much into rock and roll ;)

Rossum said:
OL: Orange Lantern to League, we need backup! There are Star Conquerors coming in...
Superman: Here I come to save the day!
Team: Hooray!
Superman: *gets facehugged*
Team: Doh!
Superman: *faces Orange Lantern and uses his heat vision... killing the mini starro clone and freeing himself.*
Team: Hooray!
Superman: What? Oh yeah. What's the situati- *gets facehugged again*
OL: Dammit!
Nabu: Fear not, Mortals! For Fate has decreed that evil will not triumph on this day *gets facehugged*
OL: ...

~Some time later~
Zatara: Orrats, pots gnigguhecaf elpoep.
Starro: Dammit!
OL: Now to finish this fight! *slams Fate's helmet on top of the Star Conqueror*
Nabu: Yes! Once more Dr. Fate has a physical form to... what the hell? *realizes he's inside a giant one-eyed starfish and plummets to the ground*
OL: I consider this a win. I mean... since Nabu can't use his host's abilities and I can always just blow up the Star Conquerer with a railgun if something goes wrong.
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[young girl's voice with a spanish accent] Hugger no hugging! Hugger no hugging! Hugger no hugging! [/voce]

Avernus said:
Also, telekinesis is actually one of the best defenses against the Sword. The Sword ignores armor and cuts though force fields, but TK generally works by pushing the attack away from the telekine rather than trying to passively resist it.
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or even by simply by telekinetically pressing against/grabbing the arm/hand holding the Sword.
 
Avernus said:
The evidence seems to be that Klarion invited himself, rather than them seeking him out.

Also, telekinesis is actually one of the best defenses against the Sword. The Sword ignores armor and cuts though force fields, but TK generally works by pushing the attack away from the telekine rather than trying to passively resist it.
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>.>
let me rephrase XD
ACCEPTED? then again, given his apparent personality...yeah i wouldn't wanna be the one to tel him he couldn't do something..
 
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