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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

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SwiftRosenthal said:
Strong vs. weak government is an entirely separate axis from left vs. right
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Every leftist and rightist out there disagrees with you. You decided that it should be a seperate axis because it sells your own narrative better.

Others would place the right/left divide on the government centralization/size/power and use the up down axis for indication traditionalism vs anti-traditionalism.
For example, did you know that many (maybe even the majority) of catholic churches openly supported obama for his first term and preached that their flock should vote democrat? because they wanted to promote increased welfare spending.

or some other axis. and again, there are many more axises than just government size and traditionalism. And traditions vary greatly
 
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PS. I just gave the government strength as a singular example of "a one thing that nazies did that was leftist" because I didn't want to get bogged down with more examples for each "side" of the isle.

Buf if you insist that government size/strength is irrelevant and that literally everything that nazies did was right wing, then how about
Völkisch equality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Nazis advocated a welfare state for German citizens (able Germans of Aryan racial descent) as a means to providesocial justice and eliminate social barriers between the German people.[2]​ The Nazis provided equal access to education for talented children of workers and peasants.[3]​ Hitler claimed that equality of opportunity for all racially sound German males was the meaning of the "socialism" of National Socialism.
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pretty left wing there

there is also the fact that leftist and rightist are definitions that are constantly in flux. they change by nation and change by the decade. To try to associate it with either side is just disingenuous godwin
 
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This makes me sad.
Politics is what you get when you combine the opposite of both Righteous Facepunching and Global Uplifting.
It's both boring and helps no one.
 
mrttao said:
Buf if you insist that government size/strength is irrelevant and that literally everything that nazies did was right wing, then how about
Völkisch equality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

pretty left wing there
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No, right wing; it was aimed at benefiting their favored racial group.

And that is the essence of right wing politics; it's politics that caters to the favored, the privileged. That's what it's always meant, all the way back to when it was about favoring royalty and the aristocracy.

The political terms Right and Left were first used during the French Revolution (1789–99), and referred to seating arrangements in the French parliament; those who sat to the right of the chair of the parliamentary president were broadly supportive of the institutions of the monarchist Ancien Régime
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Avernus said:
And that is the essence of right wing politics; it's politics that caters to the favored, the privileged.
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Not only is this the most hilariously biased definition I have ever heard for anything. This is also explicitly exactly against what he argued.
He argued that right wing is traditionalism in race, culture, gender roles, and religion. while left wing is freedom of those. That up is helping the privileged, and down is helping the downtrodden.

You completely disagree with him and say that right is helping the privileged and left is helping the disenfranchised.
Avernus said:
That's what it's always meant,
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Top kek no. the term originates from whether people were located on the left or the right side of the senate. Aka party division.
And only the most die hard liberal extremists will take the ridiculously insulting view that
Right-wing politics hold that social stratification and social inequality are inevitable, natural, normal, or desirable
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This is worse than a godwin argument
Wikipedia is hilariously biased on some issues. Interestingly on this one it has gotten massively more so, since the last time I read the article on right wing a few years ago it said completely different things

Incidentally, your own source (wikipedia) disagree with you. Your argument bears similarities to it but you do change the definition.

PPS. you know what, I am just gonna drop this argument. There is really no point going further with this. Especially not with such closed minded demonifying of the opposition.
For the record, I am neither a conservative nor a liberal. Nor a centrist.
 
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mrttao said:
Not only is this the most hilariously biased definition I have ever heard for anything. This is also explicitly exactly against what he argued.
He argued that right wing is traditionalism in race, culture, gender roles, and religion. while left wing is freedom of those. That up is helping the privileged, and down is helping the downtrodden.
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What? How is that contradictory?
 
Atreides said:
That one's a classic of "Nature vs. Nurture" debates, though.
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rippleuser344 said:
Yeah nature can suck it and so can green mana! Red for the win!
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FYI, nature vs. nurture is the Green vs. Blue issue, as Green believes that everyone has a role they were born to play and shouldn't play a role they weren't born for, whereas Blue believes in tabula rasa and that anyone can become anything with enough study and practise. As allied colours, Green and Red get along just fine (though they have mild issues over the needs of the group compared to the needs of individuals).
 
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mrttao said:
And the nazies decided who died and who lived based on their ancestry rather than nationality and culture.
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No, actually, the Nazis determined who lived and who died based on anything they didn't like, concentration camp victims including but not limited to- Jews, POWs, serbs, poles, romani, the disabled, freemasons, homosexuals, jehovah's witnesses, Spanish Republicans, conscientious objectors, the deaf, Roman Catholics, communists, union leaders, social democrats, socialists, anarchists, prostitutes, vagrants, alcoholics, drug addicts, pacifists, draft dodgers, and common criminals.
 
Though I had previously assumed that asking whether Nazis were right wing or not was on a level with asking what the best location for an ursine bidet was, I now see that there is room for discussion. However, where a particular set of policies lies on a spectrum is not and most likely never will be relevant to this story.
 
Zoat, is actually more higienic to trow used toilet paper to the trash. It also saves water and makes harder for your toilet to need a visit from the plumber.
 
I don't think I agree with the suggestion that it's more hygienic. It's certainly easier on the plumbing, but putting it in a trash can... sounds like it's going to attract all sorts of stuff that you really don't want to keep in your house. I suppose if you were fastidious about emptying the trash can into a dumpster outside of your home you could avoid the worst about it, but the whole point of flushable toilet paper is to automate the process of getting that crap as far away as possible.
 
Mr Zoat said:
You will never ever convince me of this.
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Coda said:
I don't think I agree with the suggestion that it's more hygienic. It's certainly easier on the plumbing, but putting it in a trash can... sounds like it's going to attract all sorts of stuff that you really don't want to keep in your house. I suppose if you were fastidious about emptying the trash can into a dumpster outside of your home you could avoid the worst about it, but the whole point of flushable toilet paper is to automate the process of getting that crap as far away as possible.
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It doesn't attract animals, the paper counteracts the odor. Any preexisting bacteria can't magically teleport to your insides because you spent some time in the general vicinity.

You people are just a bunch of sissies
 
As a sort of delayed reaction to the various worlds Paul's been to, I kinda want to see what would happen if he were to end up in Boku no Hero Academia.
 
Coda said:
I don't think I agree with the suggestion that it's more hygienic. It's certainly easier on the plumbing, but putting it in a trash can... sounds like it's going to attract all sorts of stuff that you really don't want to keep in your house. I suppose if you were fastidious about emptying the trash can into a dumpster outside of your home you could avoid the worst about it, but the whole point of flushable toilet paper is to automate the process of getting that crap as far away as possible.
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My own revulsion comes from the anticipated smell, especially since this is the tropics we're talking about. Heat and humidity is going to accelerate decomposition.
 
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