Shepard Quest Mk VII, Age of Revy (ME/MCU)

Okay that's a terrible argument. It's an overall improvement on things that it was already good at! Besides that it doesn't work like that, seriously it really doesn't. Just look at how we do things, we make weapons that work against everything. We don't go 'Hey, let's spend colossal amounts time and energy to counter one thing specifically instead of many different enemies.' Because it makes no sense, for example we have lasers and kinetic weapons meant to work on everything.

In fact it would be terminally stupid of the Batarian's to be trying to counter one thing in their position. I mean for gods sake, they are going up against Revy who has consistently shown to be able to make numerous amounts of new tech in just a few months.

Really, if I was the Batarian's I'd view it as absolutely idiotic to try to counter one single thing and instead go for overall effectiveness. If I was the Batarian's and I saw the MK2 suit you'd know what I'd do? The exact same thing I was doing and just making as many weapons and technology as feasibly possible. It would change zero things since the Batarian's are already trying to keep parity with the SA who has Revy and already way more advanced then them.
SA is already saving new the ships they get from Revy probably for a final push. I think it was two posts ago when it was said ships being delivered were disappearing. It shows that even SA knows the wisdom of keeping cards to their chest.

Secondly do you think SA is going to buy the new armor of it's only a general increase? Why buy better quality when the enemy isn't fielding anything that takes it out. You might as well go for quantity unless MK 2 is going for the same price point. On top of that the new material would complicate the logistics seeing as they have to buy for both materials both for the MK 1 in service the MK2 just being introduced. Plug and Play eliminates the need for retraining thankfully.

Apple comes out with a new phone every year. Does anyone know how much of an improvement each phone will have? No so software developers wait until they have info to develop for it.

As for your thoughts on what the four eyes would do. Your plan doesn't make much sense since they can't develop as fast it makes more sense to develop counters to specific things. It's like when you play a game you can't anticipate everything but you study the meta for the most likely.

The more someone meets something on the field the more likely a counter will happen.
 
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Well a mass-produced mk2 suit will have to be a downgrade from Revy's personal suit, just from the very fact that we reserved the mk3 arc reactor for ourselves. Also don't know how integral the upgraded Cortana is to her suit. And did we release Cpt America upgrade for others or is that still reserved for Revy? Yeah, the "Centurion" suit is going to be a pretty hefty downgrade from Revy's everything-but-the-kitchen-sink suit.

Question is: if we do design a mass-produced mk2 suit, do we want to do it completely in-house, or continue our business relationship with Hahne Kedar for this next version. (I wonder when anti-trust lawsuits are gonna start flying at us :p)
 
Well a mass-produced mk2 suit will have to be a downgrade from Revy's personal suit, just from the very fact that we reserved the mk3 arc reactor for ourselves. Also don't know how integral the upgraded Cortana is to her suit. And did we release Cpt America upgrade for others or is that still reserved for Revy? Yeah, the "Centurion" suit is going to be a pretty hefty downgrade from Revy's everything-but-the-kitchen-sink suit.

Question is: if we do design a mass-produced mk2 suit, do we want to do it completely in-house, or continue our business relationship with Hahne Kedar for this next version. (I wonder when anti-trust lawsuits are gonna start flying at us :p)
The super soldier stuff is in the SA army so they can use it. The Arc reactor is going to be needed and Cortana is probably a bad idea for now.
 
no cortana no self assembly
no upgraded arc reactor means less power overall for more energy intensive systems/weapons/shields
no ANI no stats amplifier layer
no stats amplifier layer means less armor
less armor means less guns (usually) and other vulnerable systems
overall a lesser suit for anyone not Revy, or anyone without a ANI, MKIII reactor, or an AI
 
Pointed this out already but the Batarian's did show up with a super suit that could have given a MK2 a run for their money. A more advanced suit is something they'd likely already expect from Revy.
But not to what degree. It helped that Revy had her own kitted out version of the Mark 1. If she had this Mark II at the time? Pfffft! No this is far too OP. As long as she doesn't make it public they won't know how far to take their super soldiers. At most the next one will only strong enough to give this one a run for it's money. Especially if they send more than one.
@Darkcore41
Is correct. It's why the Citadel and it's keepers made the Reaper bits disappear. The armies made Thanix Cannons but they couldn't upscale to the Reaper version.
If you have nothing to aim for then you can only try to go as far as you can. But if you know what something specifically is able to do then you can specifically counter it's abilities.
Yes the Batarians know Revy is constantly upgrading her equipment but they won't know just how OP'd it is till they see it. Ergo they won't know if they've gone far enough.
More importantly Revy, for all her genius, is just one woman. And she hasn't made any significant upgrades in the armor category a long while. Look at a track record more often than not she doesn't build wholesale upgrades she gets it her hands a old product, then makes it new and powerful again. Any upgrades to it from there on is usually just general upgrades that can be added on not a wholesale Mark 2. She did the first with body armor in the Legionary. She does with the with the arc reactors, she did this with a mako with tanks and now with ships though that one's more of a block upgrade than a whole new kind of ship. The Arc Reactor MK II is more of a refined AR.
Yes they will expect her to prepare for another fight. But nothing would suggest she went back to the drawing board with the Legionary. And we haven't showed off the Mark III palladiumless AR so that's an unknown.
So the next soldier will be better nearly every single way but they can't figure out exactly to what strength they need for biotics to rip apart her Shields how strong the armor has to be in order to resistant to her next-gen bombs or how powerful their weapons have to be to break through Revy's.
We have wiggle room and that is a valuable commodity.
Question is: if we do design a mass-produced mk2 suit, do we want to do it completely in-house, or continue our business relationship with Hahne Kedar for this next version. (I wonder when anti
Agree.
I don't think they'll spend even more money to buy even more pricier Mark 2 suit even if it is an upgraded every single way that beats the s*** out of the Mark 1. At most the only buy it for the really exceptional people like the N7. Why would they buy it a mark II's suit for every single soldier when one there mostly need chips at the moment and two enemies has nothing that can beat the Mark 1?
no cortana no self assembly
no upgraded arc reactor means less power overall for more energy intensive systems/weapons/shields
no ANI no stats amplifier layer
no stats amplifier layer means less armor
less armor means less guns (usually) and other vulnerable systems
overall a lesser suit for anyone not Revy, or anyone without a ANI, MKIII reactor, or an AI
How would the mass production model compare? Or were you just list that list? Or are those the optional stuff we can take out?
 
I feel like I need to outright say this, I think it's flat out foolish to withhold tech with the intent to surprise the Reapers due to the fact that they are at least a billion years old. The only real thing that is unique to Revy that the Reapers have never seen is the Arc Reactor. Otherwise they'd likely seen everything and aren't remotely surprised by say a MK2 suit considering that Hoyr outright admitted that even with a mark 2 suit we would have had a lot of trouble unless we got the really big improvements like adding Unobtanium.

Another thing to say now, people really need to stop acting like Revy is so advanced the Reapers are shocked at her stuff, they aren't since a lot of our stuff isn't actually that unique. For gods sake the front page has numerous bonus comparisons with tech with the Reapers being presented as top tier. What makes Revy unique is that she can eventually match the Reapers tech with her own by her own brains given time and build up. As is while keeping some of our stuff secret when it makes sense like the MK3 reactors anything else is just needlessly crippling us.

Another thing is that crippling paranoia just seriously hurt not just the narrative of a story but the questers themselves. I've seen numerous times questers go way overboard with the paranoia to detrimental levels. The other problem is that it is absolutely maddening to make awesome things and then never use them due to crippling paranoia. There is even a trope for that, too awesome to use, which is basically when you have a powerful item that could be extremely helpful but refuse to use it with it getting so bad you may end up going an entire game without using your best stuff.

Heck, just a few updates ago people were thinking that we were completely untouchable navy wise. And what happened? We got caught by total surprise and got beaten several times in naval space and even sent back because the other guys were also catching up. If people had suggested hiding our new tanks we likely would have been in serious trouble on the groundside as well. It just doesn't work, especially since we are still quite a bit behind on the Reapers on numerous areas and on top of that they are not going to be surprised since they are expecting Revy to have bullshit on her side.

I'd also really rather avoid the issue of not having any of our super tech around when we do get attacked or before things go to shit.

SA is already saving new the ships they get from Revy probably for a final push. I think it was two posts ago when it was said ships being delivered were disappearing. It shows that even SA knows the wisdom of keeping cards to their chest.
No, the SA did have Pynda's defending Sol and IIRC they played a big role in holding off invading fleets. So they are blatantly using a number of them.

Secondly do you think SA is going to buy the new armor of it's only a general increase? Why buy better quality when the enemy isn't fielding anything that takes it out. You might as well go for quantity unless MK 2 is going for the same price point.
We have real life examples of armies giving the best gear to their best men. This is why I pointed out that the Mk2's would likely be given to their elites like the N soldiers.

As for your thoughts on what the four eyes would do. Your plan doesn't make much sense since they can't develop as fast it makes more sense to develop counters to specific things. It's like when you play a game you can't anticipate everything but you study the meta for the most likely.

The more someone meets something on the field the more likely a counter will happen.
This doesn't make sense and I pointed out why. It's because research takes so much time that trying to counter a specific thing is impractical in numerous cases. In fact it's the most impractical against someone like Revy who literally constantly invents new tech in months. For gods sake to see how ridiculous someone like Revy is within 2 quarters PI invented Quantum Comms, UV rays, a giant mech that is a one man tank, UV lasers, miniaturized lasers, hacking and construction VI, swarm programming and overall improvements to existing weapons like arms and armor on par with Specter gear. There is a reason I keep saying that trying to come up with counters for specific tech belonging to Revy being extremely foolish since at the time she could have invented a hal dozen new tech.

I mean when we went up against the giant robot did we make tech specifically to counter it? No we did not, we did things like make miniaturized lasers, entirely new tank designs and overall improved existing gear for the SA.

The reality is that if the Batarian's wanted a counter to one of our techs they'd just keep working on making the best weapons possible general wise since at least with that strategy if they wanted to eventually make a gun that can hurt a MK2 it would apply to numerous other enemy units. That or just make their own power armor which I imagine they already have and are still making further improvements on.
 
I mean when we went up against the giant robot did we make tech specifically to counter it?
When did we go up against a giant robot?

Dude that first part only showed me that you are missing the freaking point. Yes Reapers have a billion years or more of technology advances and their own 'pinnacle'. But are we gonna see that? No. If we were it would have already happened. The OOC reason is so Revy has an even playing field. The IC reason is because, and I mentioned this earlier, if the Reapers help advance our knowledge base then they risk making us harder to put down.
Sure they could make a mech suit, biotics and ships each alone capable of being the singular Stormtrooper to our thousand Darth Vader's. And make mince meat of everything we have. But that gives the survivors knowledge that that kind of fire possible is not only possible, but it exists already. Research to meet and exceed that threshold will go up like crazy! So the Reapers will moderate how far they go in relation to the threat we give the Batarians. Yes Hoyr said that. But tri2 is the one who actually made the Mk II. Different author means past authors ruling may not be as secure as they once we're. Hoyr may have very well have envisioned a very different Mk II altogether. Nor thought the questers wait as long as they did to get all those bells and whistles. Or just declaring as author he'd make sure the enemy was evenly matched no matter what we got just to keep the battle from being a curb stomp. Anyone got a quote of that line?
Need tri2 to give a ruling as the Mk II currently stands. Because as it currently stands there is no way that assassin would have been such a threat if it had faced Revy in this new Mark II!

Edit: while I do agree holding back long term would hurt us all. Holding back in this case is to make sure Revy survives the next Assault.


With all that stripped away I feel a little better about letting it out. @tri2 If our PMC is equipped with the Mark II with Revy with them planetside then will Cortana link up to increase the performance?
 
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Need tri2 to give a ruling as the Mk II currently stands. Because as it currently stands there is no way that assassin would have been such a threat if it had faced Revy in this new Mark II!


With all that stripped away I feel a little better about letting it out. @tri2 If our PMC is equipped with the Mark II with Revy with them planetside then will Cortana link up to increase the performance?
As it stands right now? Revy still at high risk of dying in a one on one fight with this suit. Why? Please reread the beginning of the fight for why.

No, because it risks exposing Cortana's capabilities a bit too much for Revy's liking and her troops are still loyal to the SA first as they are former vets and they might bring up their suspicions to old contacts.
 
With regards to the war effort, our tech tree is offensively oriented enough that I think we should emphasize speed and firepower in the lighter fleet elements, and larger ships should look into roles that keep them in the back line, support and carrier duty mostly. While bigger ships can still mount bigger guns, the dependency on sheer length is reduced, and we should take advantage of that.

For after the Batarian war we should push for a council seat, but I think we should also push to get the Volus a seat. Partly because I want the money people in our corner, also partly because it'd smooth the way for us if we're actively helping the Volus instead of jumping ahead of them in the line, and partly because I don't want to deal with ties and deadlocks on the council.
 
For after the Batarian war we should push for a council seat, but I think we should also push to get the Volus a seat. Partly because I want the money people in our corner, also partly because it'd smooth the way for us if we're actively helping the Volus instead of jumping ahead of them in the line, and partly because I don't want to deal with ties and deadlocks on the council.
didn't the Volus pass on that and when to the Turian to work under them

why would they change their mind now
 
no cortana no self assembly
no upgraded arc reactor means less power overall for more energy intensive systems/weapons/shields
no ANI no stats amplifier layer
no stats amplifier layer means less armor
less armor means less guns (usually) and other vulnerable systems
overall a lesser suit for anyone not Revy, or anyone without a ANI, MKIII reactor, or an AI
How would the mass production model compare? Or were you just list that list? Or are those the optional stuff we can take out?
Maybe a better question would be: how much better would a mass-produced mk2 suit be than the mk1.5 suit? And how much better would the non-Revy ParSec version of the mk2 suit be than the mass-produced version?

The mk1.5 is pretty old quest-wise - I think it was researched way back in the 2nd quest thread. For reference, this was how Hoyr compared ParSec's souped up "mk 1.75" with the mass produced mk1.5: Shepard Quest Mk VI, Technological Revolution (expand the "Legionary" spoiler)

Interestingly, the ParSec mk1.5 version already has ANI, so presumably ANI compatibility would be one advantage that the ParSec mk2 version would have.

"Good Morning Mother."

"Welcome Back." Revy said with a fond smile at her child before her mind processed what she just said.

"Wait? Mother!?"
Speaking of Cortana, since she is practically an AI, and AI research requires programming rank A, does that mean Revy essentially ranked up her programming to A?
 
I kind of want to avoid going bigger in ships, right now the SA has a limited budget, wanting to save money because they spent a bunch on upgrading. So we gotta help them increase their budget and explaining why it was necessary to upscale in military tech to the tax payers. We need more information, we need to spread the news of the war, win the hearts and minds of the people so that they are way more willing to pay for this war.

We also need to expand on gaining resources, the construction drones and swarm A.I is helpful in this, start strip mining planets, asteroids, gather as much resource as possible, extract, trade, and be a penny pitcher for every ounce of cash we can and gain them contacts.

We also need to give the SA every penny we can if we grow they need to grow just as fast, economically, numerically and technologically.

Revy needs to be a house hold name, be popular, go to news shows be charismatic, so humanitarian work also needs to be done, with our construction drones we could recycle trash. empty the landfills of earth and turn it into a useful resource. Clean the streets with swarm A.I janitors, make police Legionaries, while not having any of the high military grade weaponry, it has its own set of crowd control and is heavily armored, so if they ever end up in a warzone they can tank heavy hits and be useful in shielding civilians who are caught in a pirate raid or a natural disaster to big for normal cops, have firemen legionaries armed with laser tools meant to cut objects to save a life in a burning inferno and shield bubbles to expand and protect injured people from massive heat like a burning building also having cryo launchers firing coolant or some other extinguisher to fight fires. Search and rescue legionaries armed with a multitude of tools to save a life and capable of transporting them out of danger as quickly as possible while being safe as possible. Each suit mention having their own sensors for their jobs, police having a scan function capable of IDing people on the spot as well as spotting dangerous tools on a person, firemen capable of detecting people via echolocation using the fires roaring to ping a radar, (just an idea it be helpful to have a full 3d minimap to know exactly where to go while inside a burning building) the search and rescue legionary sensors is more precise for single person diagnostic sensor suite as well as deep scan meant to find people under rubble.

In this case its more that Revy sets up the program that she pays out of her own money in the colonies as a first concept to the idea of using the suits in everyday affairs, rather then just the military. With Revy paying for it its more a publicity stunt on a wide scale, likely with televised advertisement.
 
Make sure the civilian suits (especially the cops) have limiters on the super strength.
The cops or any of the other factions, are monitored by high command, who can lock the suits if needed if someone is disobeying orders or abusing the suit, being the fact they are high tech suits with full sensor suites and the like its kinda given that they would have such fail safes. Otherwise get out of here with that limiters bull to their super strength when its a highly advance piece of hardware that already isnt armed that they cant defend themselves beyond tanking hits from military grade weaponry from highly trained soldiers. Any other limits is going to be excessive and would weaken it beyond usefulness in situations that could use a impossibly strong suit, hell the super strength alone can stop cars in their tracks if said car was stolen from a criminal from hitting someone, or to lift heavy objects to save many lives.
 
Is everyone forgetting what was already said in the quest? Power armor is still years away from being commonplace in every conflict and the Legionary is still advanced enough that everyone else is still playing catchup. From what I'm seeing there is no reason to roll out the Mk.2 for mass production when the 1.5 is still dominating things, keep for personal use yes, but it requires to many things that Revy has personal access too and is not willing to share anyway(GenIII arc reactor) and stripping it down without all that stuff defeats all it advantages.
 
Erm, how about we question if cops even need state of the art military technology?
Its more for the colonies peace of mind during the war, they also provide aid during a raid without having the weapons but are more for providing aid to civilians. Patrolling police are quicker responders to criminal activity and can deal with said situation. They also aren't armed with military grade weaponry. Not to say they arent armed in civilian weapons but are more armed with crowd control tear gas grenades and smoke.

And the last thing you want is cops walking around getting high off that.
Cops in a suit are monitored by high command, they are incapable of turning off their cameras or sensors, and can be locked (as in their whole suit can be turned off) if they are abusing their suits. If anything with the sensors onboard can tell the truth if someone is falsifying reports of abuse from cops and said footage cant be falsified. Cops who get the privilege to fly one of these suits have a higher obligation to not fuck up while in it, if they do is going to hurt their own PR, not only with everyone, but also Revy who trusted them with the technology and as such can be sued big time. So there is no high but pressure to keep their image, or else.
 
Its more for the colonies peace of mind during the war, they also provide aid during a raid without having the weapons but are more for providing aid to civilians. Patrolling police are quicker responders to criminal activity and can deal with said situation. They also aren't armed with military grade weaponry. Not to say they arent armed in civilian weapons but are more armed with crowd control tear gas grenades and smoke.


Cops in a suit are monitored by high command, they are incapable of turning off their cameras or sensors, and can be locked (as in their whole suit can be turned off) if they are abusing their suits. If anything with the sensors onboard can tell the truth if someone is falsifying reports of abuse from cops and said footage cant be falsified. Cops who get the privilege to fly one of these suits have a higher obligation to not fuck up while in it, if they do is going to hurt their own PR, not only with everyone, but also Revy who trusted them with the technology and as such can be sued big time. So there is no high but pressure to keep their image, or else.
In a world where hover cars exist, I'm not convinced speed of response is the biggest issue people face regarding police.
Body and dash cams exist as monitoring of police actions, yet strangely those end up blocked or footage gets lost. Falsification isn't even a problem IRL as far as I know, I've never heard of cops deep faking footage. More importantly, we're concerned about cultural issues of police protecting each other, and a technological solution is not sufficient on its own.
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So I guess your one of those people who think cops are out to abuse their power at every opportunity.
No, it doesn't have to be every cop. Just a couple and a tendancy for people to trust and protect their friends.
 
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