Shepard Quest Mk VII, Age of Revy (ME/MCU)

What I'm saying is that the difference between everyone else getting 60 (I notice you reduced all other competitors by 14% of my estimate) and us getting 95% isn't enough to justify us increasing our spaceship production by 100%. There is a significant gap betwen our growth and what our lie actually says we can achieve.

I low balled things for my vague numbers to try to just give the shape of what I had in mind, the specifics don't really matter that much to me outside of giving shape to what's trying to be communicated.

I will note that I did include a bit saying "and we should lie about how large of an eezo source we say we're mining as well", stating that we should pretend that it's anywhere from 50% to 500% larger than it actually is.

But it doesn't really matter at this point I think, as the idea has been hashed out so far that tri2 asked why we don't just buy out a planet and do lying games with that.

Of course my answer to that is "Because a single planet is too small for my ambitions" but that's okay, we can work our way up to a solar system sized laser array :V
 
I will note that I did include a bit saying "and we should lie about how large of an eezo source we say we're mining as well", stating that we should pretend that it's anywhere from 50% to 500% larger than it actually is.
I know you said that, but I wasn't critising that. I was critising that you seemed to put the emphasis on the tech as the tech is a terrible smokescreen. And I've suggested that just lying about the size is far more believable the whole time.
This is why its just more plausible to say that "Oh, we found a big by coincidence." because its not really implausible to find one that's 50% larger than average and thats just more than the hard cap that mining tech would impose on us.
I don't have an issue saying that we lie about the size. If anything I'm confused by the implication that we lying is not the default, why would we actually put our secret Eezo generation facility on an Eezo deposit? If its hidden why would we constrain our location like that?
What I'm saying is that 50% to 500% larger is likely an order of magnitude larger than the benefits of "bleeding edge mining tech.". Bleeding edge mining tech is a side note, its a marginal gain at best and anyone who does analysis ought to see through it immediately.
 
Any change in PI's Eezo imports without a corrosponding change in our LLP production would suggest we've found an alternate source. Incidentally this probably means it is already known, among the Intelligence communities anyway, that Paragon Industries has a way of building competative starships with less Eezo as our Eezo use is likely already highliy out of line with what it should be for the quantity of ship produced.
I mean, the obvious conclusion there is 'Paragon improved their efficiency again' not 'They have a secret source of Eezo'...
 
soo update gonna be somewhat delayed since getting assigned a lot of overtime for the forseeable future, will still be working on it, but piecemeal kinda progress. curse you work and my love for more money! *shakes fist at wallet*
 
Interlude
Interlude

Admiral Kaestus Sylcus stood upon the command podium of his flagship the Defiance of Irune, the flagship dreadnought of the glorious warfleet gathered to strike at the Batarians and begin the first steps in pacifying the damned Batarians with superior Turian military might even if they had to let the Humans strike the first blow.

That was the intent at least. Now he clenched his talons hard enough to draw blood as his eyes took in the list of casualties and damage from the battle. He had lost roughly half of his escort and cruiser assets and third of his soldiers in the first battle of the war. In fact the total number of troops lost probably would have been even higher if the majority of them were not in the transport ships await for their signal to enter into the system once the fighting in orbit was over. The ones that died were the vanguard troops intended to begin immediate deployment once the orbital forces were wiped out.

And wiped out they were but not because of the Hierarchy's effort. There was no denying their presence affected the outcome of the battle, but that was it, affected. Most of the accolades went to the Alliance Navy and none could gainsay it as the records of the battle were disseminated through the captains in the fleet and servicemen both to inform them of the enemy capabilities, which were vastly superior to before, and for morale purposes.

The same enemy fire which was badly mauling their shields and ships were absorbed by the Alliance ships like how they were supposed to be. Before with normal ships with normal weapons and normal shields. Like how it had always been in battles between the Turian Hierarchy and the Batarian Hegemony. Now it wasn't. The transferred battle data showed a frightening reality, everybody was hitting far harder than their size, frigates hit like cruisers, cruisers like dreadnought, while the dreadnoughts were unleashing firepower greater than anything recorded on something not land based or installed into immobile weapons platform.

Fleets worth of fighters dueling in between the two fleets like buzzing insects with a criss cross of lights indicating weapons fire trading between the two. A massive swarm of PI drones swarmed the battlefield flooding the field with firepower upon the enemy fighters and ship torpedoes. They would have likely won the space battle themselves if it wasn't for the Batarian's latest weapon. A mech suit. Giant Asarioid mech suits capable of space flight darted through the swarms and fighters unleashing death upon everything around them. The number of drones visibily thinning around wherever they were present with entire fighter wings getting instantly turned into debris upon contact. No doubt if they were no drones in play the amount of dead pilots and destroyed fighters would have likely been catastrophic or even total. Lasers, particles, kinetic rounds, missiles, and more were unleashed by those spirit damned suits. Suits they were and not outright mechs as confirmed by scans indicating a living pilot inside of each of them with whatever tech experts in the fleet all agreeing those were likely suicide troops as there was simply no way for them to have enough life support to range so far from the fleet, fight the battle, and return alive to their motherships.

Suicidal mech pilots. Another thing to add to his report of failure. A failure it was no matter the end result of this operation. With so many losses someone would have to shoulder the blame and responsibility and as the highest ranking admiral in charge and a dutiful Turian it would be his shoulders that bear it. A dishonorable discharge would be the lightest sentence he could see himself getting.

Focusing back on the present he observed the battle recordings of the Alliance vs the Batarians as he watched the effectiveness of their ships against the Batarians compared to his own ships. The Alliance, such a young race, but whose ships and skills were now fully or will fully be recognized after this battle. The skirmish at Shanxi was inconclusive as the battle was much too short and too small scale for anything besides doubt of just luck to settle in the eyes of the Turians about Human naval capabilities, but now, they had ample proof of just what they are capable of. A few smaller fleets had destroyed more enemy ships of a larger fleet, survived far more firepower than what the 5 larger fleets of the Turian navy had taken, and took overall less casualties even with them being the vanguard force of the invasion.

There was one Truth the Turian Hierarchy had to learn from this battle. Their ships were outdated, and if all of the rest of the Batarian fleets were updated like the ones here were already, then seriously needed to be replaced yesterday. The Hierarchy would need to significantly expend more resources both into the production of new ships but also in the development of better ones. If only they had their own Shepard as well to advanced their tech like she did for Humanity, rumors was that all of the Alliance ships had underwent recent upgrades to Paragon standards within the last few years which upon seeing the battle seemed quite likely to be true now. Though he did wonder how they managed to get so accurate with their volleys as he watched the very aesthetically pleasing shots of a wall of main gun volleys smashing multiple rounds into the Batarian ships simultaneously and cause them outright explode.

Looking away from the data in front of him and out the bridge viewport past the heads of his bridge crew, who were all seriously and quietly working at their stations, he looked out at Torfan, now undefended in orbit. The ground portion would soon begin after they took out the orbital station. He wondered just how powerful the Alliance ground troops would be compared to the Council's own attempts at replicating their efforts in the field of power armor, with nothing to speak of regarding their latest vehicles.

Admiral Kaestus felt a thrill of anticipation and dark glee race across his crest as he thought about the carnage which would soon be unleashed upon the four eyed bastards. They had gotten so many good soldiers killed and enslaved so many more, if the Alliance power armored troops were even half as effective as their ships, and if even a quarter of what he had been hearing about Parsec's operations were true, then the Batarians would have no idea what hit them.
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AN: enjoy this little snippet, trying to get something out so you know I am working, if slowly.
 
Well, one thing we could start doing is trying to reach out to the Turians for a larger market. iirc we are starting to saturate the alliance navy in regards to how much they can afford.
 
The alliance parliament will probably shoot down any attempt to make the turians stronger unfortunately 😕.

Disagree; the Turians are supposed to be the Big Stick option for the Citadel; now that we've demonstrated our martial bona fides they can wring all kinds of concessions out of not just the Turians but the Citadel as a whole. A Council seat isn't out of the question, and given the rate that Shepard is spitting out new stuff there's concern that today's new toy will be tomorrow's antiquated joke. I expect working on some new frigate designs for the Primarch would be both politically advantageous for the SA and prudent if we're going to fight off Reaper incursions. Just giving them a slightly modified Lite Laser Pydna design (something that IIRC some people were considering phasing out in future designs?) ought to at least bring them up to par for us, and the more money they give us the more stuff we can do with that money. Artificial Biotics Creation for instance, or the real prize; unlocking Spiral Power! (row row, fight the powah!)
 
Didn't the repuksor tech get stopped because they classified it as a weapon? Either way it's outside of our hands on if we sell to them or not. The government has to give us the ok and pro human interest groups will likely lobby hard against that.

After this humans will definitely get a seat at the big boys table. The whole reason for the Taurans is to be the military arm. Now humans have surpassed them in it.
 
There should be a lot of money to be made when the Turian Hierarchy start making new ships for there navy, but its gonna be a very hard sell to the Alliance as they would not want there best toys ending up in other factions hands, and with the Turians as they will be relying on a other race to supply there ships and other military things
 
So we design new toys for the alliance and sell the turians the old ones. Maybe the SA will be more open to the effectiveness of mech suits after this?

Which doesn't solve the turians side of the problem admittedly, but half the problem fixed is better than none of it.
 
The alliance parliament will probably shoot down any attempt to make the turians stronger unfortunately 😕.
Considering how a council seat is all but inevitable thats unlikely.
Becoming a council member means that humanity is putting itself firmly on the citadel side , so while they will want to keep the best goodies on their side, having the turians as second best and superior to everyone but humanity is just good strategy.
Keeping the turians weak would mean that humanity would have to pick up the slack which will cost the alliance
 
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Turians here with Soviet-era tech against Batarians with Russian Federation tech while the Humans styling on them with Desert Strom era American tech.
I mean, not really? I can't think of any particularly accurate IRL equivalents myself, but I know this one doesn't work...if only because Russian Federation tech pretty much IS Soviet-era tech, only some things are more modernized and most of it's under maintained (y'know, not counting the stuff scattered in Chechnya or across the fields of Ukraine).

In this situation, IN GENERAL, in space the Alliance are the best, the Batarians are only just barely under them (suicidal mechs not quite countering the Drone Swarm), and the Turians are coming in last...and Laser Pynda's have an extremely outsized impact and tech level beyond what either the Alliance or Batarians can actually do with the rest of their military.

In terms of numbers...this is IT for the Alliance. Nearly everything has been deployed. For the Batarians this is probably a decent chunk of everything considering they knew the invasion was coming, but Torfan is only one of their (admittedly more important worlds), and a significant chunk of their fleet is probably digesting more of the Terminus and/or seizing more military production. They'll have more coming. Finally, for the Turians...this is just what they had on hand to throw at a problem. Not really a QRF, but not exactly something the full might of the Turian military complex turned itself too, much less the rest of the Citadel. Being able to make a sudden, strong military intervention is what the Turians whole job is, so they basically have fleets just hanging around...which these 5 were some (probably most of the loose ones, if not all) of. There are definitely more that could come, far more if some relatively safe patrols are freed up from present duties, and MANY more if the Turians rev up their Mil-Ind complex some. Really their most limited assets in terms of number and production are Dreadnaughts, and those are rapidly being proven to be less important in the modern order of battle.
 
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I mean, not really? I can't think of any particularly accurate IRL equivalents myself, but I know this one doesn't work...if only because Russian Federation tech pretty much IS Soviet-era tech, only some things are more modernized and most of it's under maintained (y'know, not counting the stuff scattered in Chechnya or across the fields of Ukraine).
My analogy was more about the fact that the Bats got Collector tech which is more refine ME tech. Just that.
 
My analogy was more about the fact that the Bats got Collector tech which is more refine ME tech. Just that.
Probably better to have said 'Russian Federation tech, if they'd solved their corruption issues and maintained the industrial might of the Soviet Union' then.

Because yeah, that's about what they are in this comparison. Still better than modern Soviet Union equivalent, because the Russian Federation benefits a lot from the global technology transfer restrictions getting relaxed after the fall of the Soviet Union allow Russia access to, and fixes for, a bunch of areas the Soviet Union either failed to develop or could not convert improvements into actual products. But despite that, they're still very much Modernised Soviet Legacy as you said.

Meanwhile I'd actually say the Systems Alliance is probably closer to 2003 America technology, Desert Storm capabilities. Whilst just the things Revy's willing to show off as developed products are at the very least IRL Modern/Post Russo-Ukraine War capability, if limited by the fact Paragon Industries are probably the Poland equivalent of this comparison.

Uh, I hope this sort of comparison is not crossing any lines?
 
If it was a full on war to the knife with the Turians we'd get out asses kicked. Humanity is tiny and is punching way above its weight class by - iirc - enormously overspending on the military. The Turian ships suck in comparison to ours, of course, but they're not redlining their economy and putting everything they have into an existential war the way we are. If they were they could simply bury us in more steel than we can shoot down.

Obviously such a war is never going to happen, but we should remember to keep the relative economic statuses in mind. Revy's magic science dust only goes so far.
 
Hmmm.

I remember there being some talks once upon a time in the Citadel Political Circles about reclassifying military power in ships based on their electrical/power output or something like that, and then reordering dreadnought limits based on that.

I don't think that ever went anywhere yet, because laws are slow to change usually, but I suspect that the reveal that it isn't just the SA that's gone way above known standards but that the Batariams have swept past the Turians (at least through Reaper Tech) will mean that even if the reclassification does go through, it will probably be adjusted to try for future proofing, rather than be an attempt to get the SA to calm down.
 
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