This is a bad analogy, because doing this would, in all likelihood, make a game better than The New Order :V
Yes but I don't care about how good the game was because I got to ride a giant metal flame thrower dog. Your argument is invalid.

[x] David and Goliath: The most obvious trait that hangar-sized mutant dragons have is that they're big. Piero is very small, but quite strong for his size. If you use your forces cautiously and have them act as distractions, they can be very, very potent.

Isn't Piero the technocratic Herakles? I mean, killing dragons should be pretty easy for the guy who mulched the hydra with one shot.
 
[X] David and Goliath: The most obvious trait that hangar-sized mutant dragons have is that they're big. Piero is very small, but quite strong for his size. If you use your forces cautiously and have them act as distractions, they can be very, very potent.
 
Yes but I don't care about how good the game was because I got to ride a giant metal flame thrower dog. Your argument is invalid.

[x] David and Goliath: The most obvious trait that hangar-sized mutant dragons have is that they're big. Piero is very small, but quite strong for his size. If you use your forces cautiously and have them act as distractions, they can be very, very potent.

Isn't Piero the technocratic Herakles? I mean, killing dragons should be pretty easy for the guy who mulched the hydra with one shot.

He's Achilles, not Herakles.
 
[X] Overwhelming Firepower

"In any battle, there's always a level of force against which no tactics can succeed."
"Only two things matter. Force, in as great a concentration as you can manage, and style. And in a pinch, style can slide."
~ Xykon, OOTS


Simple enough logic. This thing is Shin Godzilla; eg a constantly escalatory force. You kill escalatory forces the same way you kill shounen heroes: catch them early and crush them with your maximum level of force before they have time to power up and grow to match you. Don't mess around sending out progressively more powerful bosses, don't waste time with intricate plots. No amount of mutation or shounen heroism will let someone beat your GIANT FULLY OPERATIONAL MOON BATTLESTATION when they're still plodding around in two old mechs and a giant pair of sunglasses, so you hit them with that before they can upgrade to something bigger and better.

We're playing Piero and going the Hammer of the Technocracy route. Let's commit.
 

[x] Overwhelming Firepower: Piero has tanks, a variety of light armored vehicles, heavy powered armor, and way too many guns. They have a couple of highly augmented security officers and a dragon. He thinks that the other side got the short end of the stick.​
 
[X] Overwhelming Firepower

I was already pretty much for this option when I made my own post about the flaws of David and Goliath and on the virtue of alpha-strikes on the previous page. Constructing a little more from what Aleph said in her post, not only is the brute-force approach likely the right solution here, we are also in the position to effectively employ it.

While our forces main thrust is currently either closely following or rapidly catching up with Piero, the enemy is still considerably out of position, and what piece-meal troops besides the cybertank and the Shin Godzilla they've managed to gather have been dispatched quite swiftly. And while their super-units are dangerous concentrations might, they haven't managed to deploy them together which would have made them far more difficult to deal with, and thus they are fragile when alone, metaphorically speaking. Take them out, and the rest will crumple shortly afterwards.

And most importantly, not only is the spearhead of Piero and our super-soldiers and heavy vehicles with equally heavy weapons following tightly behind, focused just where we need them, Piero's tactics have given us much better concentration of force locally. Things will also keep this way if we keep destroying the local forces at the rate that the reinforcements can't catch up.

And while Christos may have dissed using armies instead of knives and such to accomplish your goals, the basic principles he thaught still hold true even in situations like this.
"So keep this in mind, men and women of the Euthanatos. Keep in mind the mistake the steelheads, the Technocracy, always make. They think firepower decides a war of ideas. They are wrong. What decides a war is positioning, and as experts in Fate, you understand that better than anyone else."
 
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How certain are we that we have sufficient dakka, that we don't think we need a complicated strategy here? Is the dragon similar in endurance and/or firepower to the supertank that Henriette had to spend her entire vehicle to take down?
 
How certain are we that we have sufficient dakka, that we don't think we need a complicated strategy here? Is the dragon similar in endurance and/or firepower to the supertank that Henriette had to spend her entire vehicle to take down?

It's Gojira. It's big thing is extreme adaptability, so it doesn't do so great if it hasn't had time to adapt, but in a battle of attrition it'll keep adapting and adapting.

Simplify hitting it with enough firepowe to liquefy a mountain is tempting, but if it doesn't do the trick we're going to be in trouble.
 
If it doesn't do the trick then there's probably little else we could have done. We've only so many resources available. The dragon is here and we don't have much for getting it out of the way than killing it. With that in mind, I say we go all in on killing it.

[X] Overwhelming Firepower
 
No amount of mutation or shounen heroism will let someone beat your GIANT FULLY OPERATIONAL MOON BATTLESTATION when they're still plodding around in two old mechs and a giant pair of sunglasses,

Given how the phlebotinum in the show you're referencing worked, and the phlebotinum in the series it was an homage to worked, I fear your cunning analogy has a fatal flaw. :V
 
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Given how the phlebotinum in the show you're referencing worked, and the phlebotinum in the series it was an homage to worked, I fear your cunning analogy has a fatal flaw. :V
... no, TTGL, uh, kind of directly stated that Genome had kept power for hundreds if not thousands of years by crushing anyone who showed signs of Spiral Energy before they had time to power up. That was my point - if he'd dropped that moon base on them immediately after they got their first pair of mechs, not even THE POWER OF DRILLS would have helped them. They had to keep upgrading repeatedly in order to equal him.

(And Star Wars-wise, the battle may have been decided by a single missile, but the Rebellion was a fairly large and well-organised movement with groundswell support - and even then, decapitating it before it could get large enough to pose a threat was exactly what the Empire was trying to do at Yavin, and it very nearly worked.)
 
... no, TTGL, uh, kind of directly stated that Genome had kept power for hundreds if not thousands of years by crushing anyone who showed signs of Spiral Energy before they had time to power up. That was my point - if he'd dropped that moon base on them immediately after they got their first pair of mechs, not even THE POWER OF DRILLS would have helped them. They had to keep upgrading repeatedly in order to equal him.

(And Star Wars-wise, the battle may have been decided by a single missile, but the Rebellion was a fairly large and well-organised movement with groundswell support - and even then, decapitating it before it could get large enough to pose a threat was exactly what the Empire was trying to do at Yavin, and it very nearly worked.)

The other series was Getter Robo, in which evolution of ridiculosity is the stated function of Getter Radiation, to a point where it eventually allows the team to slice planets and fuck causality every which way but loose. Which fits because both Spiral Energy and Getter Radiation are bullshit evolution factors, and Piero's fighting a legally distinct version of Shin Godzilla, which has that as its thing.

And Genome dropping Cathedral Terra would remove defense against the Anti-Spirals, which would be necessary in a situation where Protagonist-level Spiral Energy was a threat.

The joke is "one shot one kill" only works in this situation if the shot kills. The subjoke is when you're shooting a plucky underdog protagonist backed up with Shonen Anime Bullshit, that shot never kills. :V
 
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The joke is "one shot one kill" only works in this situation if the shot kills. The subjoke is when you're shooting a plucky underdog protagonist backed up with Shonen Anime Bullshit, that shot never kills. :V

Clearly the solution to this is to manipulate the situation until the other side no longer qualifies as a protagonist, such as when we turned Henrietta into an omnicidal posthuman space goddess of murder who just about no one would root for.

Ignore the fact that this was an accident.
 
Clearly the solution to this is to manipulate the situation until the other side no longer qualifies as a protagonist, such as when we turned Henrietta into an omnicidal posthuman space goddess of murder who just about no one would root for.

Ignore the fact that this was an accident.

the trick of being an expert Mage is to flail around desperately putting out fires, then when a happy accident goes in your favor, pretend that you planned said accident.
 
Also, watch out for dogs and people with guns.

They're scary.

Nah that's just Taylor being Taylor

The second trick of being an expert mage is being able to look at an entire commando team and say "it's only one elite death squad with kill-on-sight orders." When Harlan wanders into the Aleph/EarthScorpion Fanfiction Bar he shows continuous contempt to Taylor for that reason, given how he is Very Disapproving of Henriette only being able to reasonably deal with a single commando team when caught by surprise.
 
Nah that's just Taylor being Taylor

The second trick of being an expert mage is being able to look at an entire commando team and say "it's only one elite death squad with kill-on-sight orders." When Harlan wanders into the Aleph/EarthScorpion Fanfiction Bar he shows continuous contempt to Taylor for that reason, given how he is Very Disapproving of Henriette only being able to reasonably deal with a single commando team when caught by surprise.
So in terms of Elite Commando Kill-Teams, how do the members of the amalgam rate, highest to lowest (as in, # of commando kill teams harvested before they're driven off or killed)? Kessler is nautrally up top but one still wonders.
 
So in terms of Elite Commando Kill-Teams, how do the members of the amalgam rate, highest to lowest (as in, # of commando kill teams harvested before they're driven off or killed)? Kessler is nautrally up top but one still wonders.

I'm guessing it probably looks something like this:

Ceres <------ Donald <- Henriette = Serafina <- Wufan <- Harlan <- Jamelia = Elsa <- Rose = Kessler
 
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On a separate note, just had an idea for taking down Gojira. The thing is basically a mass of barely controlled cancer cells.

Would it be viable, to say, hit it with as much firepower as we have at our disposal, forcing it to have to regenerate rapidly in order to keep up, and then use Progenitor sciencing to sabotage the process, causing it to lose control of its regeneration/adaptive capabilities and hopefully mutate into a useless mass of flesh?

My thoughts are that:
- We should have a bunch of people with Life, including Rose, probably on site. We can also consider adding in Entropy, to affect "breakdown of complex systems"
- Sanjeet most likely does not have the Life to fix whatever science fuckery we attempt
- We can try to corr-ward the Izanagi scientists and deny their attempts at regain control over their creation. I think we should have the jamming advantage this time without LITERALLY THE COMPUTER to fuck with things

EDIT: One other idea I have is to use OVERWHELMING FIREPOWER as the focus of a big ritual, where we basically try to affect selective pressure (target this organ, etc) such that relatively harmless mutations are encouraged while actually dangerous mutations (developing spines that shoot atomic fusion beams all around it) are pruned with plasma fire.
 
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Ceres <------ Donald <- Henriette = Serafina <- Wufan <- Harlan <- Jamelia = Elsa <- Rose = Kessler
Honestly, I'd put Jamelia lower, tie her with Harlan maybe, give Elsa the solo 3rd spot?? Though I would hate to see the shenanigans the commandos had to survive to get a straight up fight with her. She's probably the hardest to assassinate directly, just due to how insanely slippery she is, and how she can now fuck with you via pure willpower. That would be a nasty surprise if you think you have her down.
 
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