[X] All they need from him is his brain. If Gregor Leon is reduced to a mere brain imprisoned in a VR simulation, the Progenitors can get both the information they need and some value out of his genius. It wouldn't be as beneficial as the constant access provided by having him walking around with hardwired loyalty, but it'd be much safer and more secure.

VR Purgatory sounds like a solid option that keeps him contained and gets info out of him.
 
[X] With North Korea heating up and the recent incidents in Moscow and Mexico and Japan, the Technocracy doesn't have the time or resources to spare on Gregor Leon. After he's interrogated, they'll freeze him for later processing. He'll have the hope that they'll change their minds, that they'll forget his crimes while he's a popsicle. Serafina doubts that. It's political expediency, not squeamishness at work.

We don't really need (or want) his work, just his intel. The VR sim means someone still has to deal with that massive ego. Ice him for a future that can actually spare the effort to reform this megajerk.
 
Eternal loyalty to who, exactly?

I'm wondering if maybe there's a mistake in fighting EDEs built out of warped mockeries of Conditioning and dogmatism by doubling down on the Conditioning and dogmatism.

Maybe if we're going to going to go full psychosurgery on the guy the worst-and-best thing we could do is give him the conscience and empathy that will let him appreciate exactly how much he needs to atone for.

That's actually a weakness of Conditioning specific to its design rather than Mind 5 mindscaping in general. Plenty of eusocial psychology modifications don't have that weakness built in.

If you build your Mind effect right it might well make the target less susceptible to Threat Null mindhacking. Of course such a process is pretty costly, but Gregor Leon is smart enough that he might well be worth it.

He's a genius in a Convention where genius-level IQs are considered "barely mentally competent" and superhuman intellect is basically expected from anyone who isn't an intern or a Damage Control operative. He is also a dual Master in Life and Mind. That's hugely valuable even if it means you need someone to constantly check his work.
 
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That's actually a weakness of Conditioning specific to its design rather than Mind 5 mindscaping in general. Plenty of eusocial psychology modifications don't have that weakness built in.

If you build your Mind effect right it might well make the target less susceptible to Threat Null mindhacking. Of course such a process is pretty costly, but Gregor Leon is smart enough that he might well be worth it.

He's a genius in a Convention where genius-level IQs are considered "barely mentally competent" and superhuman intellect is basically expected from anyone who isn't an intern or a Damage Control operative. He is also a dual Master in Life and Mind. That's hugely valuable even if it means you need someone to constantly check his work.
How you Reaaaally know that you've pissed off someone in Administration: an assignment as Leon's proofreader.

How many of them would end up emotionally castrating themselves out of sheer frustration with him? It's probably a non-zero amount.
 
How you Reaaaally know that you've pissed off someone in Administration: an assignment as Leon's proofreader.

How many of them would end up emotionally castrating themselves out of sheer frustration with him? It's probably a non-zero amount.

And now you see the true genius of Gregor Leon's long-term planning.

All of this is going exactly as keikaku for him.
 
[X] All they need from him is his brain. If Gregor Leon is reduced to a mere brain imprisoned in a VR simulation, the Progenitors can get both the information they need and some value out of his genius. It wouldn't be as beneficial as the constant access provided by having him walking around with hardwired loyalty, but it'd be much safer and more secure.

Bugger Leon. None of the other options hurt enough. Feed him some poetic justice and then let him choke on it once he's not useful anymore.
 
Couldn't we remove his brain enhancements, add empathy, then renegotiate with Gregor-with-Empathy?
 
Couldn't we remove his brain enhancements, add empathy, then renegotiate with Gregor-with-Empathy?
He'd consider that worse than death. Once you've done that to a man, it's not easy to negotiate with him.

[X] Forcibly implant empathy and a love for small, cute pets, then have him forcibly interrogared by Mr. Snuggles and Ms. Cuddly-Wuddly until he becomes compliant to Technocratic goals of Love and Friendship.
 
Couldn't we remove his brain enhancements, add empathy, then renegotiate with Gregor-with-Empathy?
He'd consider that worse than death. Once you've done that to a man, it's not easy to negotiate with him.
It wouldn't work at all, according to Gregor. He has taken steps that this can't be done to him without killing him.
"So are you going to suggest an alternative?" Gregor Leon sniffs dismissively. "Perhaps you have a handgun and one bullet in your pocket and if I agree, you'll leave it on the table. Or perhaps you'll cry some crocodile tears and say that you can offer me the merciful alternative of humanization and empathy restoration. Neither will work, by the way. I die, everything Professor Li wants from me dies too. And that includes brain death."
Now, if I've understood things correctly, with enough experts, resources and time the humanization of Gregor Leon could be feasible or at least possible without him having an untimely brain death. But the Technocracy doesn't have even one of those to spare, let alone all three together when its just more simple, less expensive and faster to make a deal with him. Which is exactly the effect he was going for. The bastard.
 
Anyways, brief update on stuff:

Both @EarthScorpion and I have run into some temporary busy spells because @EarthScorpion is busy shepherding a giant disaster train of queer teenagers (and the token straight one) through a dying town in the rust belt and I've had some writer's block and have had some other things to keep me busy. I do have a roughly 60% finished post for Elsa's epilogue (guest starring Donald and locations you'll know and love from Janicequest) which is being worked on right now so this quest is hardly abandoned.

Regarding the vote, most people voted for sticking Gregor in VR, so they just threw away his body and shoved his brain in a tank somewhere. They can place him on the shelf next to Ling right now.

I have a pretty clear idea of what the Yinzheng and Kingsley updates will include in general, and the Kingsley update should segue everyone nicely into the next, Jamelia-centric arc for one last hurrah.
 
Why did our logical person decline to augment his body for self defence/preservation?
Because he'd already augmented his brain to the point that he had to eat the same kind of stuff high-powered cyborgs eat in order to keep up with the caloric demands his grey matter needed. If he'd boosted his muscles as well, he'd have had to either build a microfusion reactor into his left buttcheek or spend all his time plugged into an Evangelion-style charging cable.
 
Because he'd already augmented his brain to the point that he had to eat the same kind of stuff high-powered cyborgs eat in order to keep up with the caloric demands his grey matter needed. If he'd boosted his muscles as well, he'd have had to either build a microfusion reactor into his left buttcheek or spend all his time plugged into an Evangelion-style charging cable.

What was taking up the space in his right buttcheek?
 
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Because he'd already augmented his brain to the point that he had to eat the same kind of stuff high-powered cyborgs eat in order to keep up with the caloric demands his grey matter needed. If he'd boosted his muscles as well, he'd have had to either build a microfusion reactor into his left buttcheek or spend all his time plugged into an Evangelion-style charging cable.

More importantly if he did that, he'd have to have cybernetic implants, and that's just icky
 
Why did our logical person decline to augment his body for self defence/preservation?

Directly augmenting your physical attributes is for plebs.

Gregor Leon doesn't need to do that when he can abuse his vastly superior brain to have perfect control over all his internal body functions and get the most out of biofeedback techniques.

Basically his player is a filthy minmaxer who tries to justify using his ridiculous intelligence score in every situation.
 
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