1: It's really fucking expensive. 2. That kind of augmentation doesn't really make sense if you're not getting any other augmentations. 3. Jamelia doesn't need more permadox. 4. It's really fucking expensive.
Doesn't it give +3 counter magic and a ton of soak? If you average Mage is casting with 6-8 dice, maybe +1 sux from WP, that's kind of huge.

Money is meant to be spent, making Jamelia ludicrously hard to hut sounds like a good way to do it. Especially as it hampers enemy casting.
 
Doesn't it give +3 counter magic and a ton of soak? If you average Mage is casting with 6-8 dice, maybe +1 sux from WP, that's kind of huge.

Money is meant to be spent, making Jamelia ludicrously hard to hut sounds like a good way to do it. Especially as it hampers enemy casting.

I don't think you understand. Even high end combat cyborgs like Major Clarent don't get full primium endoskeletons anymore, because primium is incredibly fucking hard to make.

Another thing is that it makes more sense for the Technocracy to build more primium lined power armour suits and primium hulled giant robots, since those can be redistributed as necessary and also protect the user from things like "getting all your flesh burned off by a mundane flamethrower". The Technocracy doesn't have the resources to go around handing out expensive augmentations to everyone who asks for it. It's simply not a question of "how much dosh do I have". Also, the Syndicate has Resources: More Than You.

Not to mention it's largely ItX that has the necessary cyborg engineers and expertise. TYRANT (the NWO cyborgs) has backing from the top levels of the NWO and is a one off pet project by Bastion in any case.
 
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Sure, they must measure it carefully.

My point is: isn't Jamelia well worth it?

Unbreakable antimagic bones don't protect your squishy everything else from things like a knife between the ribs. Or bullets. Or flamethrowers. Or garrottes. You need other augmentation for that.

Plus, Jamelia's thing is that she generally doesn't need that kind of augmentation to be effective. She's not the type to get up into straight duels of magical superiority where she needs to deflect fireballs with her bare hands.
 
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Unbreakable antimagic bones don't protect your squishy everything else from things like a knife between the ribs. Or bullets. Or flamethrowers. Or garrottes. You need other augmentation for that.

Plus, Jamelia's thing is that she generally doesn't need that kind of augmentation to be effective. She's not the type to get up into straight duels where she needs to deflect fireballs with her bare hands.
But it's damn good to have, is it not? A concussion is a whole hell of a lot better than extra ventilation to your brain. Besides, her retroviral augs had defenses as number one priority. Extra soak is nice, but the big draw here is that your average mage gets no-selled with just passive defenses.

Between seriously up-armouing one of NWO's top 5 seniormost agents, possessed of literally irreplaceable knowledge and experience, and making one HITMark V's armour, not even the whole thing,, what would you pick?

I don't see how the cost argument holds water when looked at that angle.
 
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Okay, the thing about a primium endoskeleton is that by my understanding that it gives you two benefits: Unbreakable bones and innate countermagic.

Innate countermagic is 1. useless against mundane weapons, and 2. useless if you can just fucking dodge with Entropy in the first place, or even better, avoid getting into a straight up fight because you blew up the target's apartment with a car bomb and she's now too busy being on fire to try and kill you.

Sure, it would be a nice thing to have, but Jamelia is probably the last character I'd consider giving primium bones. She doesn't really need them and it'd be better spent on giving, say, Rose an upgrade or buffing Elsa.

Jamelia doesn't need the augmentation, because she tends to prefer her own innate skills combined with low tech but effective solutions, and knows how to stack the deck and use approaches that don't require brute force.

The resources are better spent on units more likely to get into straight up brawls, like a unit of ItX commandos. And Jamelia can be resurrected if it really comes down to it.


Also, it's not in her fucking genre.
 
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Update CCXII: Let The Past Die
JB CCXII: Let The Past Die

Stupid stupid stupid. Why am I doing this?! Henriette fights every instinct in her body, ignoring the entirely rational fears that tell her she should shut up and stop being stupid. She shouldn't be arguing with a killing machine about Ling. About someone who tried to kill her. And yet-she needs to do this. She holds her emotions down, concentrates on the meditation techniques Jamelia taught her. She forces herself to be calm, using her BLO to keep her body language completely locked down until she can get a handle on the turmoil roiling inside of her. Stay calm. Think about how the other person would be thinking. Try to read his body language-except nothing really shows, because he's a war machine, about as human as the Interceptor or the TENNO she's piloted. How can she best persuade Piero Dominici, a one-man weapon of mass destruction and apparently surprisingly competent military commander, to not kill her one-time rival? "She's... an asset. If we take her in alive, she should know things about the enemy. And she's an emoneut, so if she's given valid orders I'm sure she'll spill everythin-"

Piero looks at her, mildly amused. Henriette guesses that most people who mildly amuse Piero don't survive for every long, which means that she's probably setting some kind of world record here. "A brain trawl would allow us to extract all the information we need."

Henriette doesn't pale--but only because her blood is already artificial, and her BLO is keeping her emotive responses suppressed. "That's..." she starts, before Piero cuts her off.

"There is something you are not telling me. Satisfy my curiosity." Piero says, gaze fixed on Henriette as he lazily lifts one arm to the side to shoot some unseen target. An explosion resounds in the distance. "And make it quick. I have a battle to oversee, and every second is precious."

Henriette mentally cycles through plausible sounding excuses, logical reasons to spare Ling, and one look at Piero's eyes tells her he won't buy any of it. She's not an expert liar like Jamelia is. And Piero is designed to read people very well, entirely as a side effect of his combat augmentation. Rose has talked about her brothers and sisters a lot-and so Henriette knows that the Progenitors saw the combat EXEMPLARS as a holistic project. Rose has talked about her own role, and how she feels inadequate for it, a lot. So Henriette knows that they're designed to read the smallest tics of human physiology, catch the smallest signs of movement or deception. So Henriette decides to spill everything, and hope the truth will be enough. "I was a terrible bitch to her and she doesn't deserve to die like this."

"Oh?" Piero raises an eyebrow.

"I was a stupid teenager at the time, but that doesn't excuse it. We were classmates, and I treated her awfully because she beat me this one time in the sims, and because she was an emoneut and so never acted like a normal person would and I found that disturbing, and because I was j-jealous. She didn't deserve any of it, and she doesn't deserve to die now." She looks pleadingly at the demigod who could kill her with no more than a finger right now, if so he wished.

"So you wish to absolve yourself of your own guilt by saving your former rival. Amusing." Piero says, but he makes no moves. Not that Henriette would be able to see anything in time, if he really intended to kill.

"She's just an emoneut. You know how they are. They can't tell a good order from a bad one, as long as it's legitimate. And they may be misguided and taking orders from traitors, but we're still fighting U-Unionists." Henriette says. "We shouldn't be so quick to needlessly spill the blood of our brothers and sisters in arms. If they can be spared and shown the e-error of their ways, it will make patching over the wounds easier in the aftermath." She stops speaking, and hopes.

Piero takes less than second to mull things over, but the moment seems to stretch out for an eternity to Henriette. His face looks like it's come to a decision. He looks at Ling... almost sympathetically. And then Piero's hand moves in a blur, and the edge of his hand snaps Ling's neck.

"What are you doing?" Henriette asks as Piero puts his hands on the back of Ling's head indelicately, the shock and horror overwhelming her fear for a moment.

"She is a full conversion combat cyborg. Excellion chassis, slight modifications. Standard issue for any combat cyborg chassis is an independent life support system for their cyberbrain, which is contained in an armored, shielded case with up to 72 hours emergency survival. Internal decapitation will automatically put her into emergency survival mode, rendering her unconscious while still preserving body integrity. In the event that she has some additional self-destruct or electronic warfare threat..." Piero trails off, "...she would not be a threat to our facilities or personnel. Furthermore, her body will now consider her a casualty, and that means that someone with the proper codes," Piero says, "will be able to remove her cyberbrain and place her in a body which does not provide her with the tools to make escape easy. I have been talking to Major Clarent. She has the emergency retrieval codes."

Henriette looks sick when Piero starts to peel the back of Ling's head open like a coconut, the back of her head splitting into multiple segmented plates, and comes out with a silver casing in the rough shape of a human brain, which says "PROJECT CLARENT" on one side. On the other side, a simple digital timer, counting down from 72:00:00:00. On the bottom, multiple interface, drug intake, and life support ports dot the casing, currently sealed. Piero hands the brain to her, and Henriette takes it delicately. She knows, consciously, that the casing is armored as well as a Security HITMark, and you could bounce a NATO or Soviet machine-gun round off of it without issue. But it still feels like she has something impossibly delicate and fragile in her hands.

"She is your responsibility." Piero says. "We have nearly secured the surface battlefield. One of the medevac pilots has been informed, and will be coming to retrieve you and your prisoner of war. I will need to lead the breach."

The medivac can't come early enough. Her ADEI is giving her a medical diagnostic which looks... not great. Severe neck trauma, multiple fractured bones-and they were reinforced, even-

-And then her kinesthetic enhancers go, and she falls to the ground as the world spins around her. She gags, and only the fact that she hasn't eaten for several hours keeps her from vomiting in an ugly fashion. Something of that last death dive and everything that has happened must have done some damage to her augmented balance, and now the world is spinning like a top, horizon and sky and the sensations of gravity blending together into an agonizing mess. She hits the ground, barely managing to hug Ling to her chest tightly, and closes her eyes. It doesn't help much.

"Thank you." She manages weakly, but Piero is gone. Off to another crisis situation, Henriette thinks, listening into the tactical bands.

***
There is no organized resistance left on the surface. The autoguns and drones have been shattered by air support or tanks. Burning Abrams and Type 90s litter the battlefield. The New World Order and Syndicate will be extremely busy covering this up as an 'emergency military exercise' which coincided with a minor earthquake.​

Piero places the shaped-charge plasma bomb on the heavy hangar doors, and detonates them. His soldiers have moved to breach positions to the side, shielding themselves from the blast despite their armor. He does not need to. His EDE-hybrid physiology can take the backblast of the bomb without flinching. The Iteration X built breaching charges are designed to focus over 98% of their force directionally in a brutal cutting jet, capable of cutting through reinforced Primium or Thaumium or other exotic metamaterials. The other 2% creates a backblast still sufficient to subject everyone behind them to hurricane force winds and heat and force instantly lethal to humans.

Piero powers through the blast unfazed, setting upon the initial defenders of the hangar and the second line of defense even as they suffer from the shock. They have not put any forces within the guaranteed kill radius of the breach, which is unfortunate. Even so, the directed spray of Primium and other exotic materials inward has cut a bloody swathe through improvised fortifications and the soldiers manning them. Most of them are made of low-tech materials, which indicates to Piero that his plan has succeeded. At the accelerated speed of combat time, Cross sends him a very resigned message, conceding that his plan has worked. Piero grins, even though nobody can see it, under his custom-built armor and the annoyingly stylized commander helmet which he's sure exists primarily to draw more fire towards him.

The enemy is moving their forces out of the sewers and tunnels and back into the facility, but they have not had enough time to move and reposition the heavy defenses, and the breach has come as an unpleasant surprise. Most of the initial row of defenders are low-end Progenitor constructs, covered in cancerous growths from fast-change retrovirals, subjected to dosage levels of combat drugs like NoShock and ReflexUp that will kill them within hours, equipped with hastily improvised pseudo-chitin armor and armed with heavy weapons. A Bob on the right drugs and armed with a grenade launcher can threaten even an Enlightened shock trooper if they get lucky, and with enough of them, they can get lucky quite often.

But Piero is not a mere exojock or full combat cyborg. He is through the smoke even before it clears, past the minimum arming distance for 40mm thermobaric and HEAP grenades, and hits the first defense line in an eyeblink. He drops his Omnigun, letting the weapon's integrated AG motors move it to the back holster, and goes for his blade and the heavy pistol on his hip, a weapon which is to the Mjolnir what the Mjolnir is to a derringer, a handgun that runs off of a spatial warp to fire rounds with the punch of a heavy autocannon, using electromagnetic feeding and extraction systems to accelerate its rate of fire to one which would be uncontrollable for Masses-tech vehicle mounts without the integrated compensators.

A heartbeat later, a creature finishes ejecting from its life support cradle. The creature is clearly an experiment of some sort. It looks incomplete, with intake feeds for nutrients, and still-implanted test probes. Its flesh is bleeding and raw, with clear attachment points for armor coatings that are currently unused. A militarized dracoid base, Piero understands. Not an uncommon Progenitor tool, but he doesn't recognize the make and model, and his AI minder's heuristics ponder the problem for a moment before giving up and telling him that he is facing an [UNKNOWN THREAT PLEASE USE CAUTION].

The dracoid opens its maw, and plasma washes over Piero. Piero is unsurprised-the reason the rapidly modified Bobs and Lauras and other remaining test subjects are there because they are expendable. Unlike Vanessas or homonculi, they are cheap and easy to replace. The temperature in his armor increases, and he can hear his sweat sizzle and boil. He dodges away from the blast and towards the creature itself, even as he gives new orders to his forces to spread out and avoid giving the dracoid easy kills, and the creature slaps at him. The first few blows are slow, but it increases in speed with every attack, muscles reconfiguring painfully, bulging in odd places and skin tearing before it regrows around gray-blue tissue. One of the blows hits him, and he stops it dead with an upraised forearm. Even as he does so, he can hear it adapt, its bones snapping painfully. And suddenly he is no longer superior in strength, and the next one sends him flying into the rampart, a blow which he doesn't even notice.

More and more assets-combat homonculi, mostly, start to flood in from their original defensive positions to reinforce Izanagi's ace in the hole.
"Ah." Piero says, voice suddenly calm, temporarily drained of all passion. The combat pauses as both sides take stock of the other. Piero's forces moving in, using their armored vehicles as cover and support. Weapons readied in nervous hands. The defenders of Izanagi, outnumbered but heavily armed and armored, high-end combat homonculi and exhuman Damage Control personnel and expendable clones and a dragon, a bulging primium tumor on its back where nerve-interface cockpit is. "A dragon. Excellent."


Happy 2018, people.

Yes, Kylo Ren's quote guest-stars here. I thought it was pretty fitting, both as a misleading suggestion that Ling was going to die, and because this is Piero stepping away from his past as a kill-crazy berserker. Oh, don't get me wrong, he's still a horrifying murder machine, but one who can occasionally show quarter.

Slay the Dragon
There is a dragon in your way. Piero would like it dead. He is going to kill it via...
[ ] Overwhelming Firepower: Piero has tanks, a variety of light armored vehicles, heavy powered armor, and way too many guns. They have a couple of highly augmented security officers and a dragon. He thinks that the other side got the short end of the stick.
[ ] The Power of Delegation: Okay, you're not the scienciest person. Fortunately you have a lot of people who are. You can figure out a scientific solution to this problem. It might involve applied physics, but efficiency is a virtue, just like brute force.
[ ] David and Goliath: The most obvious trait that hangar-sized mutant dragons have is that they're big. Piero is very small, but quite strong for his size. If you use your forces cautiously and have them act as distractions, they can be very, very potent.
[ ] (x0.25) Play The Objective: Hold it off, breach the inner doors, and just force your infantry assets through them. The dragon can't chase you through the complex itself.
[ ] Write-In
 
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Sure, they must measure it carefully.

My point is: isn't Jamelia well worth it?

Not really. Jamelia's capabilities allow her to function in a wide variety of environments with minimal risk, which a heavy-spec cyborg can't. And moreover, augs like that are not hard to see. Life 1 will help you identify augmented individuals pretty easily, and infiltration shielding is hard and expensive. So it means Jamelia can't blend in and slip cordons nearly as easily.

The Technocracy gives people Enhancement for a reason, and that means if you get an Enhancement it generally means that the side effects are minor for what you're supposed to be doing, and you will be thrown into situations where that's very important. If you have an armored cyborg body it probably means you are going to be shot, in the face, a lot. You might want to get used to it.
 
Alright, alright.

Another question: I noticed we have Time 3/Correspondence 3, and the magical book which raises those two to 4.

Why aren't they 4? Did we lose the book at some point?

Just finished the space stuff, btw. And it was absolutely amazing. It's the third or so night I spend awake reading Panoption, too engrossed to realized it's already morning.
 
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But it still feels like she has
Missed an edit, there.

[ ] The Power of Delegation: Okay, you're not the scienciest person. Fortunately you have a lot of people who are. You can figure out a scientific solution to this problem. It might involve applied physics, but efficiency is a virtue, just like brute force.

I'm inclined to throw some science of our own at it...
 
Another question: I noticed we have Time 3/Correspondence 3, and the magical book which raises those two to 4.

Why aren't they 4? Did we lose the book at some point?

Just finished the space stuff, btw. And it was absolutely amazing. It's the third or so night I spend awake reading Panoption, too engrossed to realized it's already morning.
Grimoires don't just magically raise your stats. They magically raise your stats (possibly at partial cost) when you fulfill their conditions. Now, granted, in some cases that just means reading the book and comprehending it.

The Tale of the Mercykiller is not such a Grimoire. "The Mercykiller's student must, to become an Adept, turn someone's compassion into cold determination." Jamelia... hasn't. Not since she's read it, at least; I'm sure somewhere in her backstory that's happened, but not recently and with the knowledge granted by the book. I also don't think many of us want that particular form of character development for Serafina or Rose, and we just barely finished having Henriette essentially flip in the exact opposite direction.

Also, Donald might have it instead of Jamelia.
 
Speaking of raising spheres, I wonder if we can get to forces 3 to start on absurd trick shots (we are one level of forces short of the spheres needed for Cristos's bullshit bouncing bullet trick. Yeah might be hard to justify but that thing was awesome.
 
Okay, so this is Shin Gojira, so it has hyperadaptive capabilities. Maybe we could try to trick it into evolving a weakness that we can exploit, like shooting it with superheated plasma until it adapts and then switching to cryogenic weaponry to fuck it up (just as an example).
 
[ ] (x0.25) Play The Objective: Hold it off, breach the inner doors, and just force your infantry assets through them. The dragon can't chase you through the complex itself.

Yeah, fat chance. :rofl:

[JK] Summon Kessler: "Ah. A dragon. Excellent. By the law of narrative contrivance, as there is a dragon present, John Kessler of Earth has also been among our forces this entire time."

[JK[ Rose's First Time: "Ah. A dragon. Excellent. It's past time for Rose to... encouter a dragon. HOLD BUT A MINUTE, FOUL DRAKE, THAT MY SISTER MAY MEET YOU WITH VIOLENCE!"

Ok, more seriously, the dragon is very obviously vulnerable to countermagic science-ing, so the question is who to ask about it. Is Rose's Life 4 enough to mess with the dragon's unstable biology? She might be able to show up in person instead of being a voice over the phone. Alternatively:

a bulging primium tumor on its back where nerve-interface cockpit is.

There's a weakspot that can be attacked for massive damage, if it wasn't for the primium armor protecting it. Is it practical to destroy the cockpit or sever its interface connection?
 
I'll admit I experienced a palpable sense of relief at the point Piero started maiming/peeling off Ling's body. I was quietly worried about the exact same things that Piero mentioned that a mage misguided enlightened scientist could do in Ling's situation, even as crippled as she was. Then when the Rei-expy was reduced to a more managable prisoner, I remembered that this is Panopticon quest, where competent people are usually genre-savvy (though sometimes entertainingly wrong genre-savvy).

As a side note, one minor detail that got me distracted from the main narrative was wondering about Thaumium in Panopticon Quest after it was mentioned, especially after the discussion about Primium just before the latest update. I've read the Earthscorpion's -tradwiki Primium article, with its grades of Primium in ascending order of effectiveness and difficulty/cost that go:
Fool Primium / "Prymite" (Matter 2, Prime 2, at least one additional Sphere at 1) -> Common Primium (Matter 5, Prime 3) -> True Primium (Matter 5, Prime 5) -> Thaumium (???)

According to it, Prymite is counter-magic, but unreliable and inconsistent in its effectiveness, Common Primium is reliable counter-magic and thougher than mundane materials, True Primium does everything better than Common Primium and has anti-Paradox properties. But there was little about Thaumium (which if I undestand correctly, is not a native to oWoD/M:tA, but a migrant from nWoD/M:tAw by ES), an alloy of gold, silver and mercury. What do you need to make it, as True Primium is already Matter 5, Prime 5? And how much more effective it is when compared to True Primium? Also, is it Technocrat-Ok, or a filthy Reality Deviant mockery of the real enlightened material science?
Jamelia can and has used gadgets (balck hole gun!) And has a decent secret weapons background, IIRC. It's just that she has really potent foci without having to carry anything around. Special forces training (Forces), Her frankly terrifying reputation (Mind/Entropy), a penchant for planning (Entropy/Time), the equivalent of an advanced degree or few in aocial sciences (Mind), and after her recent jaunt in space, Chronitons in her Waveform (permadox, but also Time/D.Sci/Entropy focus)
Don't forget her newly awakened psychic powers, which I think were at least her initial D.Sci -focus. It might be also a good focus for Prime in the future.

...What? I can dream about Illiyeen with Prime 1, can I?
 
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Good: We saved Ling and can hopefully deprogram her! Yay!

Less good: Henriette is pretty definitely out of the fight at this point. Maybe there will be something that we'll need her to remote-pilot, but even then, I don't know if she's up to it. And she'll need some extensive healing.

Let's take a look at these vote options:

[ ] Overwhelming Firepower: Piero has tanks, a variety of light armored vehicles, heavy powered armor, and way too many guns. They have a couple of highly augmented security officers and a dragon. He thinks that the other side got the short end of the stick. This is definitely what old Piero would choose. New Piero... still might, but I think he'd at least consider alternatives.
[ ] The Power of Delegation: Okay, you're not the scienciest person. Fortunately you have a lot of people who are. You can figure out a scientific solution to this problem. It might involve applied physics, but efficiency is a virtue, just like brute force. My sense is that Piero still wants to get up close and personal with the dragon, and this is the option that looks least like it will allow that. Depends on what exactly the scientific solution is, of course...
[ ] David and Goliath: The most obvious trait that hangar-sized mutant dragons have is that they're big. Piero is very small, but quite strong for his size. If you use your forces cautiously and have them act as distractions, they can be very, very potent. The picture of many lesser beings swarming the big thing and bringing it down appeals to me.
[ ] (x0.25) Play The Objective: Hold it off, breach the inner doors, and just force your infantry assets through them. The dragon can't chase you through the complex itself. Hahaha no. We voted for the dragon, let's kill this fucking dragon.
[ ] Write-In - too early to judge, let's see what actual write-ins people come up with.

I'm inclined to go with either Overwhelming Firepower or David and Goliath, but I'll see what people who know more than I do have to say.

Can we, perhaps, cut out the nerve-interface cockpit and sever its connections to the rest of the being? This would likely involve us climbing on its back.
 
Ok, more seriously, the dragon is very obviously vulnerable to countermagic science-ing, so the question is who to ask about it. Is Rose's Life 4 enough to mess with the dragon's unstable biology? She might be able to show up in person instead of being a voice over the phone. Alternatively:
We are in a Progenitor construct now, so biologically-based science-ing methods should be more locally-probable. Right now I think the adaptation is the most dangerous of the thing's features. Aside from it being a robo-Godzilla.
Maybe something like a biobomb that blocks tissue reconfiguration?
There's a weakspot that can be attacked for massive damage, if it wasn't for the primium armor protecting it. Is it practical to destroy the cockpit or sever its interface connection?
I doubt Henriette will be glad if the fight ended with something like this...
 
As a side note, one minor detail that got me distracted from the main narrative was wondering about Thaumium in Panopticon Quest after it was mentioned, especially after the discussion about Primium just before the latest update. I've read the Earthscorpion's -tradwiki Primium article, with its grades of Primium in ascending order of effectiveness and difficulty/cost that go:
Fool Primium / "Prymite" (Matter 2, Prime 2, at least one additional Sphere at 1) -> Common Primium (Matter 5, Prime 3) -> True Primium (Matter 5, Prime 5) -> Thaumium (???)

You know, it was a Hermetic who claimed that thaumium is even better than true primium. Take that with a ice cube sized chunk of salt in your drink.
 
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Ling: "What happened to Sanjeet?"

Henriette: "..."
I...am still kind of confused how he's alive, and I kind of doubt Henriette will believe it without seeing him, and may presume it was just a clone meant to screw with her and Ling's heads. She DID see his ghost in Moscow, and got some serious personal closure there, so his presence here is...very strange, and makes me highly suspicious.
 
I...am still kind of confused how he's alive, and I kind of doubt Henriette will believe it without seeing him, and may presume it was just a clone meant to screw with her and Ling's heads. She DID see his ghost in Moscow, and got some serious personal closure there, so his presence here is...very strange, and makes me highly suspicious.

"Ah yes, RNEs. According to Reality Deviant doctrine, they're the 'souls' of deceased people. We have dismissed those claims."
 
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