Christos Barberis on Knives
There are some other good options, but the Stalins and exoskeleton attract too much attention, the executive power suit just isn't beefy enough to be useful, and the combat knife while an incredible weapon for Rose is inferior to a whole armory of superguns.

Decoded Intelligence Intercept
-Re: HVT Christos Barberis-

"...a lot of you come here with experience with mayhem and destruction. You may be asking me, why do we ask of you to understand this lowly knife? How does it represent our Tradition, how does it represent Arete? Why do you say that one man with a knife can be deadlier than an entire army with guns? You see, this knife is more than mere steel. This knife is a tool that can forge destiny."

"One man with a knife in the right place can change nations. Can slay ideas. Can turn entire battles. Some people say that you can't kill an idea. Those people are fools. Kill those who can convince others of them, and that idea dies out. Some people ask what a knife can do against an army? Those people are fools. An army revolves around its leaders. Kill one, and it slows. Kill enough, and there is no army, merely a scared, panicking mob, waiting for a quick end. Would the Great War have happened if it was not for a lone assassin? If there had been one of you, one Euthanatos, in 1918, with a knife, in the right place? There would never have been a Holocaust. One blade in the right place can prevent millions of deaths a generation onward. Had someone been in the right time to remove Queen Victoria, our enemies would likely be very different. This is what a blade can do."

"But the army can do it too, you say. The bazookas and the chattering machine-guns. Yes. They can. But never as well. They make noise. They take space. They raise suspicion. But a knife rarely raises suspicion. In a world of atom-bombs and machine-guns and bazookas and tanks, people look at a knife and they dismiss it. They believe that firepower is more relevant than it is in an age of heroes and great men."

"So keep this in mind, men and women of the Euthanatos. Keep in mind the mistake the steelheads, the Technocracy, always make. They think firepower decides a war of ideas. They are wrong. What decides a war is positioning, and as experts in Fate, you understand that better than anyone else."

Notes: Subject demonstrates here an understanding of focal points equivalent to standard NWO unconventional warfare tactics. Surveillance subject's lack of elaboration on NWO tactics is likely propaganda. Keep continued watch.
 
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To add to the chorus of 'don't give away the HIT Marks." I think there is another good reason to keep them, we are about to assault the museum, and we are are nearly out of prime, and not at full will power. We need some meatsheilds with us.

Speaking of which, I know we had the option during the assault, but could we now use the transmitter to switch out for Rose and Donald so we have some fresh people in? I think trading out Serafina (who is out of prime and high on paradox) and either Kessler(injuries) or Henrietta(out of prime) low would be a good idea.
 
[X] Spectre Limo
[X] H/Aug Exoskeleton
[X] Imperator Executive Reserve Power Suit
[X] Barnes-Sykes Combat Knife

Fight the next war not the last one. A couple of ghetto/obsolete killbots won't be much help in London or North Korea, and to be honest the Russkies need them way more than we do.
 
[X] Hypercomputer
[X] Spectre Limousine

They give us a nice way for Jamelia/Serafina/Henriette/Donald to play C&C safely. Plus, Earth Scorpion makes a very convincing argument as to what we can do with the HITMarks. The C&C capabilities would make that even better.

@MJ12 Commando Would we be able to get a bigger slice of the pie for turning the Construct over to the Russian Technos? If so, I would pick up the Imperator Tailoring Executive Reserve Power Suit and the Small Arms package, in that order.
 
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Fighting the next war won't do us any good if we don't' survive the current one.
We have Cross, 20+ NWO super troopers, Kessler and Henriette, 3 actual HITMark Vs with heavy weapons in addition to assistance from the Russian technos and possibly a number of Traditions mages going forward. We are not lacking in killy shit, so we are better off being magnanimous and planning for the future.
 
We have Cross, 20+ NWO super troopers, Kessler and Henriette, 3 actual HITMark Vs with heavy weapons in addition to assistance from the Russian technos and possibly a number of Traditions mages going forward. We are not lacking in killy shit, so we are better off being magnanimous and planning for the future.

We don't know that we can keep Cross or the NWO troops
 
We don't know that we can keep Cross or the NWO troops
NWO dudes are troops permanently attached to our Construct for Security and general face stomping, for them this is a welcome change from just guarding our main base in the US all day. Also again 2 Security models expressly designed for to be cheap low rent alternatives to normal HITMarks and a couple of obsolete models don't do us much good, especially given where our next fights will take us. However this is not the case for the Russkies.
 
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Generally speaking, our approach has been to rope in allies and external assets to aid us. We have been wildly successful with this thus far. Of the two paths we know are probably open, one of them, London, is going to be straight up cloak-and-dagger, boardroom intrigue where three HITMarks are probably less useful than a readily concealed super-knife (which apparently turns all damage dice into automatic successes?) and a +2 to Manipulation. North Korea is where we can break out Kessler and Henriette's full level of firepower, or go all CoD-protagonist guy ourselves, but in either case the HITMarks are probably not going to add too much to our capabilities or won't be as important as getting that H/Aug suit so Jamelia is no longer so squishy.

That's not to say HITMarks aren't good to have, but our play-style thus far has defaulted to work-arounds for situations where they would be useful and I don't really see us stopping manipulating pawns/gaining allies to help handle assaults. And other options do improve the sort of actions we have taken over and over again. The Executive Suit in particular looks like it is being dismissed for not being flashy enough, but infinite Resources 3, magic pocket space, +2 to all Social Attributes, and readily concealed Soak are very useful indeed for any Social character. The CoD-protagnist guy equipment package would also upgrade Rose or Jamelia into a full-on murder machine, and in particular would let Jamelia keep up with the combat focused characters. I'm agnostic on the hypercomputer, both since it's a 1960s model that we can probably get a more up-to-date example of later on, and the procedures it gets access have effects we can create other ways. The limo too is nice, especially as one pick, but we do already have transportation thanks to the Paladin we looted.

So if we're keeping the HITMarks, I'd strongly go for the H/Aug Suit and the Executive Power Suit. And trade the Superbike to the Virtual Adepts for the Knife, if we can do that. Probably an easier sell for them than trading it for the Hypercomputer if we do give up the HITMarks.
 
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[X] Spectre Limo
[X] H/Aug Exoskeleton
[X] Imperator Executive Reserve Power Suit
[X] Barnes-Sykes Combat Knife

This looks like a very good setup. Trade in the HITMarks and let's go big.
 
Tradwiki Pages & Tradwiki: Jamelia Belltower
Jamelia_Belltower/Discussion

Page Name

I still don't agree with the choice to name the page 'Jamelia Belltower'. We know it's an alias, and you just need to check Jamelia_Belltower#Aliases to see a list of confirmed and unconfirmed identities she's used. We should switch to using StandardisedAssetReferences for all 'Crats. I propose we rename this page JB451.OP, and create Jamelia_Belltower(disambiguation) which lists that as her primary alias. - PatternHax2U

Oppose. SARs are only meant to be used for constructs and the like. All evidence we have suggests she's natural born and recruited from Earth, not some Horizon Realm. And it's been a name she's used for at least 20 years. The fact that she's earned the Belltower surname is useful alone as a threat rating. - xxL3ITxx

Oppose. Stop pushing SARS on us, PatternHax2U. They're not any use when you need to find out who you're dealing with - FightDamain
-> Oh yeah, and like 'they're initialed JB' is much use - PatternHax2U
--> An actual name is more use than a string for field use, which is what this wiki is /for/. - FightDamian

Support. A consistent reference frame would make things easier. - Akdsj
-> easier for /who?/ - xxL3ITxx
--> I asked you, Akdsj. Who would it make it easier for? - xxL3ITxx
--> We're voting here, not arguing. You have your own comments to make a point in - PatternHax2U
---> Come on, answer me. - xxL3ITxx
----> xxL3ITxx, stop harassing Akdsj. You're not going to get an answer from him, RIP. Casualties#2015 - Wingz (moderator)
-----> Shit, sorry - xxL3ITxx

Identified Sightings

I've flagged the Hong Kong sighting with [citation needed] and downgraded it to Unconfirmed. No proper evidence is provided to justify it as Confirmed - FightDamian
-> Dude. Photos - Qpwo
--> Photos aren't a reliable source, especially when dealing with a NWO spook - FightDamian

Personally confirmed meeting in Moscow, adding the full details to the page. In addition, I'll update Jamelia_Belltower#Known_Associates; I have positive IDs on Alexander_Cross(Progenitor_construct), Serafina_Rosario(Progenitor), John_Kessler(Iteration_X), and an un-ID'd Iterator. - LessBeanNJA
-> Ow wow Less. Photos? - Qpwo
--> And more. - LessBeanNJA
-> Do you have details on the un-ID'd Iterator? - Li1001
--> Looks young, heavy cybernetics, but unmilitarised. Red hair, eyepatch, holds a gun like she doesn't know how to do it. Wears a pilot's suit, though. I'm guessing a vehicle expert - grabbed some footage of their solid gold BTR blowing the fuck out of a vampire-filled chopper with HV Incendiary rounds. i'll make her paeg later. she's not as cute as Serafina_Rosario - LessBeanNJA
---> Woah woah woah. WTF's going down in Moscow? - FightDamian
----> Shit. Shit be going down, dawg. More details later, lawl. - LessBeanNJA
-----> u tease. : ( - FightDamian
------> :3 LessBeanNJA

Proposal to flag Hong Kong sighting as Suspicious in light of positive confirmation in Moscow. - xxL3ITxx

Likely to Defect Flag?!?

Okay, who stuck the 'likely to defect' flag on the article? That's dangerous and irresponsible - Wingz (moderator)
-> yeah seriously wtf - FightDamian
-> I did. She has a section on her willingness to work with us and examples of her holding to field agreements. She's not some hardliner. - Qpwo
--> Lol noob. in what world does 'doesn't always shoot on sight' mean 'likely to defect'? - FightDamian
--> Qpwo, I understand you mean well, but that's not what the LTD flag is there for. LTD is there for junior members of the Union where we have confirmed cases of them acting against their brainwashing. We also have a higher burden of proof for experienced agents. Look, Jamelia Belltower is an ice cold bitch who's been murdering people in the name of the Union since before you were born. We have positive cases of her infiltrating and impersonating Traditionalists. We have 40+ years of evidence that we can't turn her, and we've lost lots of people over the years to her, whether killed or brainwashed. She's a senior NWO agent, and trying to get them to defect often ends up in you changing sides. - Wingz (moderator)
---> Basically, Qpwo, you know the ice cold murderous bitch kind of Euthanatos? She's that. Only on the other side. - Thig4Life
----> Not helping, Thig4Life. Don't start flamewars. - Wingz(moderator)

Then why des the article have 'rarely uses mind control magic' if she's so dangerous? - Qpwo
-> Someone eductae the noob I'm busy - Flakker
-> Okay, let's educate this into your noobish brain. Right? Mind control is like using a high end trinary computer to break into a system. She's like the kind of hacker who looks at the post-it note stuck on the underside of your keyboard, or who calls you up asking for your password so the bank can protect your details from hackers. - FightDamian
--> A shit hacker? But I thought she was dangerous. - Qpwo
---> oh god what a moron - KALS
---> I give up. Yes, Qpwo. Remember to talk to all the NWO agents you can, as long as you remember to keep your mind shields up you'll be fine, right? - FightDamian
----> FightDamian, stop being sarcastic to people too dumb to realise what you're saying. Li9999(moderator)

Motion to have Qpwo's access to 'Likely To Defect' flag banned for gross stupidity - FightDamian

All comments older than 5 days are moved into the archives.
 
[] Imperator Executive Reserve Power Suit
[] Barnes-Sykes Combat Knife
[] Trade in the HITMarks
[] Spectre Limo
[] H/Aug Exoskeleton
 
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Update XLII: Understand
JB XLII: Understand

Henriette keeps her hands firmly wrapped around the mug of coffee in her lap. They don't stop shaking. 'How fucking perfect. My nerves are so fucking burned over I have to 'pilot' my own body to even walk, but my goddamn hands keep shaking like scared kittens after I screw up in yet another fight. You're just all kinds of useful, aren't you, Langley? Stupid, useless, worthless.."

"I don't usually do field work, you know?"

Henriette jumps in her seat on the limo's couch, and tries to hide her embarrassment at doing so. She can't even manage to muster a glare as the obnoxiously beautiful Progenitor walks carefully into the slightly bullet-riddled lounge area with her own steaming mug. All Henriette can manage is a blank stare at the scientist. "What?" she asks dully.

"I haven't done field work in a long time. I'm a lot more at home in a lab. Rose and Alexander, they're built for this kind of work. I can improvise on the fly, but we both know its better to be prepared and trained for this, or you can get blindsided and suddenly all your skills aren't worth a single bullet that hits you," Serafina says calmly, looking up at the still slowly self-repairing limo sunroof.

"If you're here to rub my face in the fact I fucked up against that NWO combat drone that got in here, you can kindly fuck-off, Doctor," Henriette snarls, with about half her normal heat. Even that took effort. Hating Serafina took energy she didn't have to spare from hating herself.

Serafina shakes her head, meeting Henriette's eyes for the first time. "I'm not here to mock you, child. I'm a Doctor, as you pointed out. And, though not officially, a mother. I raised Rose after... she had siblings, of a sort. There were others in her batch. An ambitious project, the details of which aren't important, but all the rest of her 'brothers' and 'sisters' went mad or died at the hands of the ones that did. I took Rose in and raised her as much as I could, because...I can't even say why. I wanted to, had to. She's still my child."

"So why are you telling me this, then?"

"I told you to take the shot. I've been shot before, today, even. Hell, I've been technically dead before once or twice. I can take it. But when I told you to shoot, your hands were shaking like crazy and you said 'I can't do this again'. I'm a Doctor and a mother, Henriette. Every part of me wants to give you a hug and try to help you heal, but I can tell you're so wound up with tension I'm half afraid you'll try to shoot me now if I do," She took a sip of the hot chocolate in her mug. "What happened to you? Something has you torn to bits inside and today just ripped the bandage off and you're bleeding. What about today hit you so bad that someone I know is a trained, skilled, and deadly armor pilot with multiple combat missions under her belt is now just holding herself together?"

Henriette just glares in silence.

Serafina holds her stare. "I can help you. Off the record, no marks against you, nothing official. I want to help you, child."

Wrong word. Henriette slams her coffee mug down on the table in front of her and screams at the other woman. "You are not my...my...mother..." 'Mama, mama, mama! Don't want to shoot don't want to shoot must shoot must shootNONONONONO!' Henriette clamps her hands against her eyes in a futile attempt to stop the tears. She barely notices Dr. Rosario's arm gently curl around her shoulders as they start to shake violently. She only distantly feels herself being pulled into only the second hug she's had in months, since...then.

She's weeping too much to really pay attention as the older woman taps at the incredibly tiny smartphone/datalink with her free hand. "Rose? Can you come join us for a little while? And bring all the ice cream. Yes, all of it."

It takes a while for Henriette to recover, but when Serafina asks if the pilot wants help with her mind, Henriette manages a weak nod.

***​

"Director Belltower." Serafina says. "I need to talk to you about something of immediate and critical importance."

Jamelia turns from the Molotek records she's examining to make a very interesting observation. "Is this about the debt, or about our use of Progenitor assets? I'm doing an inventory on what we have so we can exchange what might be less harmful to the Reality Deviant forces and keep anything dangerous. This is somewhat time-critical."

"Neither. It's about Henriette. And about a mystery I think you've been curious about, because you can't help but poke your nose into things." Serafina says.

"Explain. You were told to help ready the team to check out the museum, not disappear into Los Angeles for several hours to buy icecream." Jamelia chastises mildly.

"Henriette's not psychologically stable."

"I know."

"I don't mean it in the way you do. She's been put together by mindtape, like a FACADE Clone or a MiB or a Series P but less... monomaniacally focused. And mindtape was never designed for this sort of functionality. You don't tape over an already working brain. Who did this?" Serafina sounds, no, she is angry. Jamelia senses that part of it is professional pride, and another part is actual moral outrage.

"The Void Engineers said that she had to be psychologically reconstructed." Jamelia says carefully. "Suicide attempts and delusions."

"Were they sure? Because I did my own deep-level trawl after she agreed. Nothing of that sort, besides for the instabilities created by badly-applied mindtape. She's not delusional and I don't think she ever was." Serafina says. "Which makes all of this more interesting." The Progenitor shows a few reconstructed images, brain-to-ADEI-to-computer. "Notice something interesting?"

Jamelia takes a few minutes to flip through the still images. "They're combat encounter records." Jamelia says, and Serafina nods. "What's special about them?"

"Except the enemy's equipment is all Union equipment. 1990s exosolar hypertech. And the serial numbers you can see on some of them-they match Union standard codes."

The conclusion is obvious. The Void Engineers are fighting against Technocratic assets. But why? "So what do you think?" Jamelia asks.

"I don't know. They've been good friends and partners, but they've always been quiet about exactly what they need a few thousand more Vanessas and a couple hundred combat homonculi for, and could you please give us that power armored war-squid chimera with Cthulhu DNA in it? No we won't tell you what we need him for, but it's a very good cause trust us. And sometimes they return with interesting combat salvage and they tell us to do research on it and keep very quiet about exactly what it is." Serafina says. "That might give you more context. But what I do know is that someone tried to, in the guise of 'therapy', misuse advanced biomedical equipment to erase Henriette's memories and unfortunately didn't know what he or she was doing."

"And Henriette?"

"I've done what I can. I don't think she's ever going to be fully stable, the trauma's been too internalized because of braintaping reinforcing already-extant structures even as it overwrites conscious recall." Serafina shrugs. "But she'll recover. She's a strong girl."

Jamelia thinks. If the Void Engineers were doing that to a gifted young woman, they wouldn't be afraid to erase them. She considers the handgun in her quickdraw holster for a moment.

For the greater good, sacrifices must sometimes be made.



We Interrupt This Normal Procession Of Voting To Bring You A Very Quick Emergency Vote on Threat Null.


[ ] (3.0x) Execute (note that this will definitely lose you Serafina and probably end with you having to kill Rose)
[ ] Do Not Execute, Convince Her To Keep Quiet? (You better have a write-in).
[ ] Leave Her Alone, What Could Go Wrong?
 
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You know with a modifier that large I'm halfway expecting that Panopticon did manage to subvert us somehow.
 
You know with a modifier that large I'm halfway expecting that Panopticon did manage to subvert us somehow.
Well, yes?

We've known that since we found out about EXORDIUM. We haven't done anything about it yet. We probably should.

Edit: And whoops, ninja'd.

Jamelia's a NWO agent who's been around for a long time. There's been plenty of opportunity for stuff to have gotten slipped into her head - odds are it predates Threat Null, but that doesn't mean Threat Null doesn't have access to it. (Rather the opposite.)
 
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I'm curious why you think this. Theorizing is never wrong and it makes you look insightful.
We had a large modifier before when you had the joke "subvert to Panopticon" option and I believe that this is the largest modifier we've had for a vote yet (though killing the NWO drone on the roof may have been higher earlier). This combined with the effort we've put into keeping Serafina alive and the fact that we only have a suspicion about the VE's keeping us silent makes the whole thing look suspicious. I mean does Jamelia have some mission in her past that went horribly wrong because of something like this?
 
You know with a modifier that large I'm halfway expecting that Panopticon did manage to subvert us somehow.
Jamelia has a lot of conditioning, but for the most part it's instincts gained over a long lifetime of staying alive as an active spy. Ruthlessly gunning down someone who's stumbled onto information that will very likely get you both killed if it leaks is a safe move, when considered from the ice-cold veteran spy perspective. In this case, the conditioning benefits Panopticon more than it benefits us, because while the risks for leaving her alive and bringing her in on the conspiracy are great, the rewards are commensurate. None of this is Threat Null style "you are now a perfectly loyal meat puppet" indoctrination, just the more subtle indoctrination of a lifetime spent around shady people, watching many younger agents die for being too trusting. The closest she has to the former are some remnants of INVISIBLE BEAR, but that was more focused towards combat enhancement than loyalty protocols.

edit: I don't think the question is whether she's had missions go wrong because of something like this, but how often. With the length of her career, the odds are pretty damn close to 1 that it's happened before. This might seem repetitive of me, but remember, in character creation she wasn't just "spy", she was "veteran spy".
 
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Jamelia has a lot of conditioning, but for the most part it's instincts gained over a long lifetime of staying alive as an active spy. Ruthlessly gunning down someone who's stumbled onto information that will very likely get you both killed if it leaks is a safe move, when considered from the ice-cold veteran spy perspective. In this case, the conditioning benefits Panopticon more than it benefits us, because while the risks for leaving her alive and bringing her in on the conspiracy are great, the rewards are commensurate. None of this is Threat Null style "you are now a perfectly loyal meat puppet" indoctrination, just the more subtle indoctrination of a lifetime spent around shady people, watching many younger agents die for being too trusting. The closest she has to the former are some remnants of INVISIBLE BEAR, but that was more focused towards combat enhancement than loyalty protocols.
The problem here is that we have the same modifier that Henrietta had when someone was trying to stab her face in, that seems a bit extreme for the conditioning that we've seen so far.

edit: Thinking about it a bit more this would involve gunning down Serafina and Rose while pissing off Cross and any contacts that Serafina might hold. This seems less and less like the character we've been playing and more along the lines of Panopticon's M.O, certainly not enough to generate a modifier of 3.0.
 
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The problem here is that we have the same modifier that Henrietta had when someone was trying to stab her face in
Well, it's entirely possible that the answer to the question of "Is it manipulation or learned experience?" is "Both!"

I mean, trying to encourage people to do things they're inclined to anyway but which benefit us is how we usually play Jamelia as manipulating people.
 
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