Chronicles of Nations - Civ Quest
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Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
Then why are you focusing on it?
10ebbor10
DON'T PANIC
- Location
- Present
It's irrelevant if it's not explicitly mentioned in the tech sheets. For example, the tech sheet doesn't mention any other types of clothing, barely mentions construction techniques, doesn't really mention tool production techniques, doesn't mention any hunting techniques, and so on...
In addition, this is being brought up because the GM focused on it for a bit. No one is talking about how, say, the civ deals with foot fungus, because that detail was never focused upon.
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The Goddess Who Sinned
- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Bronwyn sits slump, watching the sea from her old viewing point in a recreation of Greenbay.
"You okay there Bron?" ask Evalyn as she strides up to her newest sisters.
"I don't deserve this," says Bronwyn as she doesn't bother looking up at her great-great-grandmother turned sister.
"Are you still upset over your punishment?" inquires Evalyn as she sits down next to the Goddess of Beauty.
"Upset?" repeats Bronwyn with a bitter bark of laughter, "No, I understand I got was coming to me. I deserved to be trapped in there, paying for betraying the People like I did. They trusted me and I betrayed them."
"It wasn't that bad," argues Evalyn, "You had a bad motive, but in the end, your actions were for the best. Anyway, you couldn't have done it without me or Wyrn. We both got punished as well."
"But you both deserved to be goddesses," protests Bronwyn, "I sinned and was punished and then I got made a goddess. I don't deserve this power. I'm not worthy of it and I haven't earnt it. Urth take me, I should still be stuck in my body, trapped within that marble form.
"What are you up to Mum?" asks Wyrn as she strides up to her mother.
"I am just watching the living to ensure that my lessons have taken hold and have not forgotten," answers Arthryn, "While I do not like to intervene and prefer to let others make their own choices, this situation is mostly caused by my own actions and I feel the obligated to help deal with it."
"Making sure that the spells you wished into the dreams of your priestesses actually take hold and spread eh?" says Wyrn, "Let me know if you want any help with that. I'm always happy to a girl out with their mountains. Speaking of which…"
"No Wyrn," states Arthryn firmly, cutting off her daughter, "As always the answer is no."
"Come on, the rest of us have mountains while you only have hills!" protests Wyrn.
"Because All-Seeress doesn't care while Bronwyn likes her beauty and so does Evalyn," answers Arthryn, "Ymarn promised to go along with it for a few centuries while you just don't want to admit that you are wrong."
"I completely knew what I was doing," argues Wyrn, "Mum, you just need to get someone to climb your submit."
"Wyrn!" exclaims Arthryn.
"But seriously, I got a little situation to deal with," continues Wyrn, "Now I could deal with it completely on my own, but as I said, you could do with someone climbing your submit. We all know that you don't get your mount-no they wait they are hills-your hills climbed enough."
"What is your situation?" asks Arthryn, ignoring the rest of her daughter's antics for she is used to them at this point.
"I got a potentially tragic outcome that I want to turn into a happy ending," explains Wyrn, "You see, there is this Maradysh girl who is into girls, but her family won't allow that as they want to marry off to the son of one of the more important families in a neighbouring village. Since she will won't be able to have proper love for as long as she lives amongst the Maradysh so I got a plan to get her to live amongst the Arthwyd. She will even get a lover out of it."
"Go on," says Arthryn, deciding that this is one of Wyrn's good deeds rather than another of her pranks, "Love and freedom is something that everyone deserves to have."
"So here is my plan. One of us will go and climb her submit through she hasn't go much of one lacking your blessing and all that. Then I will go and make her realise that she will be better off in the Arthwyd as she will be allowed to be with a female lover. She will then flee north where she will run into a Cateye who is also gay and of a similar age that I will direct south. The Cateye will take the girl back to the Arthwyd with her and if I am not wrong about the, they will naturally fall in love with one another."
"That is a solid plan," agrees Arthryn, "I shall take part in it."
"But only if you have mountains and not hills," insists Wyrn, "Otherwise I'll do it myself rather than have you not give the poor girl as much as a good time as she could have."
"I will increase my figure for the night," promises Arthryn, barely refraining from rolling her eyes.
"Sweet," says Wyrn with a grin on her face, "Want to check up on the others? Bron still feeling a little uncertain."
"I should go and reassure her then," declares Arthryn.
Bronwyn lets out a yelp as Arthryn embraces her as the eldest goddess grips her newest daughter in a firm hug.
"Bronwyn, despite punishing you for your sin, I love you as my daughter as much as any of the others," says Arthryn to the youngest member of the pantheon.
"I don't deserve it," protests Bronwyn, "I haven't earnt this."
"She is still feeling like she is unworthy of being part of our family," explains Evalyn and Arthryn gives her other daughter a glance, "She is still getting caught up on the whole being stuck in a future for a few winters even through both myself and Wyrn were punished alongside her."
"I am a sinner, punished by Arthryn herself!" exclaims Bronwyn, seemingly obvious to that fact that Arthryn herself is currently giving her a hug, "I don't deserve to be a goddess!"
"Bronwyn," states Arthryn firmly and draws the full attention of the youngest goddess, "You did something wrong and I had to punish you for it. But you had your punishment and it is over. You have learnt your lesson and we both know you will not repeat your sin again.
You are now the Goddess of Beauty, Love and Repentance. You are beautiful, providing a wonderous appearance to the world and patron of beauty and pretty appearances. You both showed much love to the People while you were Cadlon and received in return. You know both how to love your community, your family and your lovers and can guide the People to be like you.
And finally, you committed a sin, but have successfully repented for it. You accepted your punishment, understand what you did wrong and shall not do it again because you know that it is wrong. You will an example to the People on how one can sin and then make amends for it."
Arthryn pauses for a moment as she gives Bronwyn a chance to take in her words before continuing again.
"Your sister Wyrn has yet to acknowledge her wrongdoing and would do something else like it again," continues Arthryn, "So while her punishment has ended, she has not learnt from it like you have.
Bronwyn, you were an excellent Cadlon and a good ruler. With one exception, you did your best to serve the People. You brought the People and the Maradysh back together and overturned past bad relationships. You managed to convince the majority of the Maradysh to serve me and your sisters. I and many others would happy call you the greatest Cadlon to have lived."
"I would agree that you have been the best Cadlon so far," adds Evalyn, "I might have fought back the enemies of the People, but outside of waging war, I wasn't that good a Cadlon. If I had to reign in a time of peace like you, I doubt I would have done nearly as well."
"Bronwyn, it might have been Wyrn who spread the tales need to let you gain the power to become a goddesses," says Arthryn, "But if I did not want you as my daughter or considered you unworthy of being a goddess, I would have stepped in and make my thoughts known. You are my daughter because I am willingly calling you so and if I wasn't, I would let all of the People know regardless of whatever my eldest desired.
You are my daughter, the Goddess of Beauty, Love and Repentance. Be an example to the People as to how they can redeem themselves upon sinning they will evitable do so sooner or later. Guide the People on how to bring love and beauty into the world for doing so makes it a better place."
"But you punished me," whispers Bronwyn, "I was bad enough to deserve death, slay by Arthryn's own-your own hand."
"Everyone makes mistakes," Arthryn reassures her, "Even me. While you needed to be punished, I would have done so differently in hindsight. Rather than take you into the Afterlife, I should have let your body return to flesh and blood. Maybe even give you back the years who would have missed if you had repented like you did.
But what is done is done. We cannot change the past and we can only try to make the future better. You feel you don't deserve your power because you sinned. Well, you have this power now and here you are bemoaning that. Whether you feel that you deserve to be one of my daughters or not, you are now a Goddess. The People are depending on you. Is refusing to wield your power and choosing to mope instead really in their best interests? You regret failing to do your duty once, but here you are, on the verge of making that mistake again."
Arthryn releases Bronwyn as her youngest daughter looks up at her.
"If it proves necessary to show how I don't hold your sin against you, I will spend time in a statue myself," Arthryn tells Bronwyn, "But for you, the People need you Bronwyn. Be a Goddess and guide them to greatness."
"You okay there Bron?" ask Evalyn as she strides up to her newest sisters.
"I don't deserve this," says Bronwyn as she doesn't bother looking up at her great-great-grandmother turned sister.
"Are you still upset over your punishment?" inquires Evalyn as she sits down next to the Goddess of Beauty.
"Upset?" repeats Bronwyn with a bitter bark of laughter, "No, I understand I got was coming to me. I deserved to be trapped in there, paying for betraying the People like I did. They trusted me and I betrayed them."
"It wasn't that bad," argues Evalyn, "You had a bad motive, but in the end, your actions were for the best. Anyway, you couldn't have done it without me or Wyrn. We both got punished as well."
"But you both deserved to be goddesses," protests Bronwyn, "I sinned and was punished and then I got made a goddess. I don't deserve this power. I'm not worthy of it and I haven't earnt it. Urth take me, I should still be stuck in my body, trapped within that marble form.
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"What are you up to Mum?" asks Wyrn as she strides up to her mother.
"I am just watching the living to ensure that my lessons have taken hold and have not forgotten," answers Arthryn, "While I do not like to intervene and prefer to let others make their own choices, this situation is mostly caused by my own actions and I feel the obligated to help deal with it."
"Making sure that the spells you wished into the dreams of your priestesses actually take hold and spread eh?" says Wyrn, "Let me know if you want any help with that. I'm always happy to a girl out with their mountains. Speaking of which…"
"No Wyrn," states Arthryn firmly, cutting off her daughter, "As always the answer is no."
"Come on, the rest of us have mountains while you only have hills!" protests Wyrn.
"Because All-Seeress doesn't care while Bronwyn likes her beauty and so does Evalyn," answers Arthryn, "Ymarn promised to go along with it for a few centuries while you just don't want to admit that you are wrong."
"I completely knew what I was doing," argues Wyrn, "Mum, you just need to get someone to climb your submit."
"Wyrn!" exclaims Arthryn.
"But seriously, I got a little situation to deal with," continues Wyrn, "Now I could deal with it completely on my own, but as I said, you could do with someone climbing your submit. We all know that you don't get your mount-no they wait they are hills-your hills climbed enough."
"What is your situation?" asks Arthryn, ignoring the rest of her daughter's antics for she is used to them at this point.
"I got a potentially tragic outcome that I want to turn into a happy ending," explains Wyrn, "You see, there is this Maradysh girl who is into girls, but her family won't allow that as they want to marry off to the son of one of the more important families in a neighbouring village. Since she will won't be able to have proper love for as long as she lives amongst the Maradysh so I got a plan to get her to live amongst the Arthwyd. She will even get a lover out of it."
"Go on," says Arthryn, deciding that this is one of Wyrn's good deeds rather than another of her pranks, "Love and freedom is something that everyone deserves to have."
"So here is my plan. One of us will go and climb her submit through she hasn't go much of one lacking your blessing and all that. Then I will go and make her realise that she will be better off in the Arthwyd as she will be allowed to be with a female lover. She will then flee north where she will run into a Cateye who is also gay and of a similar age that I will direct south. The Cateye will take the girl back to the Arthwyd with her and if I am not wrong about the, they will naturally fall in love with one another."
"That is a solid plan," agrees Arthryn, "I shall take part in it."
"But only if you have mountains and not hills," insists Wyrn, "Otherwise I'll do it myself rather than have you not give the poor girl as much as a good time as she could have."
"I will increase my figure for the night," promises Arthryn, barely refraining from rolling her eyes.
"Sweet," says Wyrn with a grin on her face, "Want to check up on the others? Bron still feeling a little uncertain."
"I should go and reassure her then," declares Arthryn.
***
Bronwyn lets out a yelp as Arthryn embraces her as the eldest goddess grips her newest daughter in a firm hug.
"Bronwyn, despite punishing you for your sin, I love you as my daughter as much as any of the others," says Arthryn to the youngest member of the pantheon.
"I don't deserve it," protests Bronwyn, "I haven't earnt this."
"She is still feeling like she is unworthy of being part of our family," explains Evalyn and Arthryn gives her other daughter a glance, "She is still getting caught up on the whole being stuck in a future for a few winters even through both myself and Wyrn were punished alongside her."
"I am a sinner, punished by Arthryn herself!" exclaims Bronwyn, seemingly obvious to that fact that Arthryn herself is currently giving her a hug, "I don't deserve to be a goddess!"
"Bronwyn," states Arthryn firmly and draws the full attention of the youngest goddess, "You did something wrong and I had to punish you for it. But you had your punishment and it is over. You have learnt your lesson and we both know you will not repeat your sin again.
You are now the Goddess of Beauty, Love and Repentance. You are beautiful, providing a wonderous appearance to the world and patron of beauty and pretty appearances. You both showed much love to the People while you were Cadlon and received in return. You know both how to love your community, your family and your lovers and can guide the People to be like you.
And finally, you committed a sin, but have successfully repented for it. You accepted your punishment, understand what you did wrong and shall not do it again because you know that it is wrong. You will an example to the People on how one can sin and then make amends for it."
Arthryn pauses for a moment as she gives Bronwyn a chance to take in her words before continuing again.
"Your sister Wyrn has yet to acknowledge her wrongdoing and would do something else like it again," continues Arthryn, "So while her punishment has ended, she has not learnt from it like you have.
Bronwyn, you were an excellent Cadlon and a good ruler. With one exception, you did your best to serve the People. You brought the People and the Maradysh back together and overturned past bad relationships. You managed to convince the majority of the Maradysh to serve me and your sisters. I and many others would happy call you the greatest Cadlon to have lived."
"I would agree that you have been the best Cadlon so far," adds Evalyn, "I might have fought back the enemies of the People, but outside of waging war, I wasn't that good a Cadlon. If I had to reign in a time of peace like you, I doubt I would have done nearly as well."
"Bronwyn, it might have been Wyrn who spread the tales need to let you gain the power to become a goddesses," says Arthryn, "But if I did not want you as my daughter or considered you unworthy of being a goddess, I would have stepped in and make my thoughts known. You are my daughter because I am willingly calling you so and if I wasn't, I would let all of the People know regardless of whatever my eldest desired.
You are my daughter, the Goddess of Beauty, Love and Repentance. Be an example to the People as to how they can redeem themselves upon sinning they will evitable do so sooner or later. Guide the People on how to bring love and beauty into the world for doing so makes it a better place."
"But you punished me," whispers Bronwyn, "I was bad enough to deserve death, slay by Arthryn's own-your own hand."
"Everyone makes mistakes," Arthryn reassures her, "Even me. While you needed to be punished, I would have done so differently in hindsight. Rather than take you into the Afterlife, I should have let your body return to flesh and blood. Maybe even give you back the years who would have missed if you had repented like you did.
But what is done is done. We cannot change the past and we can only try to make the future better. You feel you don't deserve your power because you sinned. Well, you have this power now and here you are bemoaning that. Whether you feel that you deserve to be one of my daughters or not, you are now a Goddess. The People are depending on you. Is refusing to wield your power and choosing to mope instead really in their best interests? You regret failing to do your duty once, but here you are, on the verge of making that mistake again."
Arthryn releases Bronwyn as her youngest daughter looks up at her.
"If it proves necessary to show how I don't hold your sin against you, I will spend time in a statue myself," Arthryn tells Bronwyn, "But for you, the People need you Bronwyn. Be a Goddess and guide them to greatness."
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- Location
- Poland
- Pronouns
- He/Him
This might need a more visible threadmark/mention, especially if this change becomes permanent.
I didn't realize the significance of the breaks until after reading this post.
- Location
- New York
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Well it was still cringey, but not creepy at least.
More cringey in the sense that Wyrn is absolutely an eternally teenaged fanfic author. I'm sure she'd have loved My Immortal. If only everyone realized, that would be it for any chance of respect.
And we're pushing for sexual tolerance, that's always good.
More cringey in the sense that Wyrn is absolutely an eternally teenaged fanfic author. I'm sure she'd have loved My Immortal. If only everyone realized, that would be it for any chance of respect.
And we're pushing for sexual tolerance, that's always good.
Knight Draco
Tea Sipping Advocate of the Devil
- Location
- North America
quote them in the quest and @ the qm?
- Location
- PA
...My thoughts on this debacle?
For the most part, I didn't think too harshly of the boob talk myself, if only because I kind of feel like American society needs to loosen up a bit? But eh...I do find the bit about the Blessing working via spiritual connection rather important, since it suggests Arthwyn is going full God-Empress of Mankind if we're successful enough, and already is one as far as our society is concerned. The flipside being we lose that Goddess well there goes our legacy, so that's something to pay close attention to.
I'm more thinking of what next...Personally, I'd like to Sacred Forest and/or Study Magic myself. Maybe with an eye towards military or exploration sometime soon though- feels like we might be due for some event on those fronts soon.
For the most part, I didn't think too harshly of the boob talk myself, if only because I kind of feel like American society needs to loosen up a bit? But eh...I do find the bit about the Blessing working via spiritual connection rather important, since it suggests Arthwyn is going full God-Empress of Mankind if we're successful enough, and already is one as far as our society is concerned. The flipside being we lose that Goddess well there goes our legacy, so that's something to pay close attention to.
I'm more thinking of what next...Personally, I'd like to Sacred Forest and/or Study Magic myself. Maybe with an eye towards military or exploration sometime soon though- feels like we might be due for some event on those fronts soon.
- Location
- California
Even if cultural norms get pushed progressively I am sure that it should not include all the negatives from their IRL counterparts. (Mostly because it's fiction) So go wild and do what you do consequences be damned because the goddess wants it so, that's my thoughts on this little side-chapter.
Oh, Just a passing thought...Will you give divine pregnancies as well? Give a higher social status for that gay union or is this a one off thing? I'm not one to read much /u/ or yuri so really I wonder how this'll go.
Oh, Just a passing thought...Will you give divine pregnancies as well? Give a higher social status for that gay union or is this a one off thing? I'm not one to read much /u/ or yuri so really I wonder how this'll go.
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Just a bit of everything.
Enough to fake it
Tech wise you're looking at cloth bindings, bone strip reinforced cloth bindings, corsets(not the body deforming fashion statement, before they got ridiculously tight), then the modern designs.
Mind you, they work fine even at the early tech versions. Its just really hard for those doing significant physical exertions. Annoying for some artisans, farmers. Significantly impairing for hunters and warriors
This would make a fine addition to the People's tales!
Goddess of storytellers.
She'd fix it by making everyone like it
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- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Just point them out in the thread with the typos being quoted so I can find them.
No. Sometimes the goddesses sleep with mortals, but the mortal can only vaguely remember it. They can remember it happened, but none of the details. It also doesn't give any kids and has someone in the discord pointed out when I gave this answer when someone asked your question there, it amounts to a really nice wet dream.
Wyrn will sleep with someone for fun as does Bronwyn. Evalyn does it as a rewards due to being faithful to Cadyn while Arthryn and Ymarn do it as results or to serve a purpose, but Ymarn will occasionally do it for turn. All-Seeress doesn't do it at all.
- Location
- Leeds
I am unsure why the girl needed to be sexed but whateves.
*Goes back to scrying*
- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
- Pronouns
- He/Him
It wasn't needed and was completely unnecessary. Wyrn's plan to help her out could have easily worked without it at all. But since she was a gay girl into a homophobic society that was going to be marry off to a man in an arranged marriage, Wyrn feel that the Maradysh girl would appreciate being shown a good time by the goddesses. This is partially because Wyrn couldn't guarantee that her plan to set up with a lover would be successful and therefore decided that the girl should get laid at least once. It is also partially that Wyrn considers getting her laid to be nice thing to do that, especially since it is with a goddess. As for why Wyrn suggested it to Arthryn, it was because she felt her mother was being too uptight and the best way to get her to unwind was to find her someone to have a sex with and she just happened to have someone for her mother to sleep with.
As for why I included it as the writer, it was partially to test to new paragraph break experiment I am trying, but it was also to show off characterisation. I want to show how Wyrn and Arthryn view sexual escapades. Arthryn doesn't mind them, but generally doesn't concern herself with them as she has other things to worry about. She doesn't mind having sex and does enjoy, but when she does it, it needs to have a good reason.
As for Wyrn, she is, well, I would say she acts immature by modern standards, but by Arthwyd standards, she is just carefree and happy go lucky. She can act mature and go beneficial things such as getting a gay person out of a homophobic culture and an arranged marriage to the opposite gender. However, she is also rather casual and relaxed when it comes to fornication and considers spending a night in someone's bed to be a fun activity. It isn't necessary, but is the a nice thing to do with someone the same way it isn't necessary to buy someone a gift, but it is usually considered a nice thing to do.
I also wanted to show the dynamic between Wyrn and Arthryn as Arthryn feels that her daughter is a troublemaker who shouldn't always be indulged, sometimes she does good deeds that Arthryn is willingly to assist her with. The rest of the time, Arthryn ignores her or doesn't get involved with her plans as Arthryn feels that she has more important things to do. Meanwhile Wyrn feels that her mother is strict and uptight and could do with loosing up. Arthryn has no sense of humour in Wyrn's appearance and is too focused on being practical and hardworking and doesn't put enough importance on having food. Because of this, Wyrn tries to get her mother to lighten up and relax more and one of her main ways of trying to do this is getting her mum laid.
I also wanted to show how sex is treated as a casual pastime by the Arthwyd. It wasn't necessary to Wyrn's plan, but since Wyrn considers it to be a nice, fun activity, she decided to get the Maradysh girl a good night in bed as an act of kindness. To the Arthwyd, sex isn't an activity that you do due to being necessary, but one you do because it is fun.
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- Location
- Space
Let's just say that Wryn decided to help a girl by giving her self confidence. Growing in such society where she isn't allowed to express herself can ultimately lead to self-doubt and insecurity, she will ask herself is it truly alright to leave everything she knows.
And yes even if she does leave it will hinder her future relationship. Having experience with a goddess does wonders for one self confidence and she won't have any second thoughts anymore when she starts her life anew.
And yes even if she does leave it will hinder her future relationship. Having experience with a goddess does wonders for one self confidence and she won't have any second thoughts anymore when she starts her life anew.
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This part in particular has some clarity issues. Specifically, "it might have been who spread the tales need to let you gain the power to become a goddesses," Is... just wonky. "goddesses" should be "goddess". "it might have been who" should either be "it might not have been me who spread the tales needed to let you gain the power to become a goddess" or "it might have been me who spread the tales needed to let you gain the power to become a goddess". Also "But I did not want you as my daughter or considered you unworthy of being a goddesses, I would have step in and make my thoughts known." That needs some editing as well. "But if I did not want you as my daughter or considered you unworthy of being a goddess, I would have stepped in and made my thoughts known." might be right?
I get the impression this is meant to be her saying that she might not have brought it about, but that she still considers Bronwyn her daughter, and if she didn't she'd have done something about it. But its... really murky as written.
- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Yeah, that bit needs re-writing. I'll take a look at it in a bit. Thanks for pointing it out.
Edit: And that section has been fixed.
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Chalcolithic Arthwyd Cultural Trivia
- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Arthwyd Sexual Taboos
The Arthwyd only have two sexual taboos. The first is consent as all involved parties need to be willingly participating. This is due to the fact that the Arthwyd value choice and fair treatment of others. Forcing others into doing something they don't want to do unless it is for their own good and that of the community is considered to be wrong by the Arthryd. While it means that you can get forced to do unpleasant jobs that need doing, it also means that forcing someone into a funtime activity like fornication is considered unacceptable and acting such a manner is bad for the community as you are showing no regard for the other members of your community. As a result, consent and willingly participation are valued greatly by the Arthwyd.
This requirement for consent also means that bestiality is taboo for the Arthwyd. While there is no direct taboo against fornicating with an animal, the lack of intelligence and ability to speak by an animals means that they are unable to give consent by the standards of the Arthwyd. Because of this inability to give consent, the Arthwyd consider all sexual activities with an animal to be forcing yourself upon the animal and therefore taboo. After all, if one is willingly to force themselves upon an animal, what is stopping them from forcing themselves upon a member of their community?
The second taboo is no incestuous relationships. Due to the subtle and unknown influence of Wyrn, Goddess of Stories, Trickery and Arts, the People have developed a strong distain and disapproval of engaging a blood relative in sexual relations. Two partners with the same blood involving themselves in sexual activities is considered to be unhealthy as it spiritually contaminates them due to the overlapping blood. This reasoning is effectively made up nonsense by the goddess Wyrn as she seeks to keep the People from telling stories that have her and her family romancing each other. Even beyond Wyrn's active influence in maintaining the taboo, exposure to foreign cultures which share this taboo has only strengthened it in the eyes of the Arthwyd.
Beyond these two taboos, the Arthwyd have no restrictions on what you can do in terms of sex and there are pretty much no restrictions beyond what can be physically done and what you can get the other parties involved to agree to.
Arthwyd Gender Roles
While the open nature of the Arthwyd has left them tolerant and accepting, some discrimination based upon gender has crept into their society. Even it if could be much worse and it nowhere near as bad as what some barbarian communities practice, it is still there and goes effectively unnoticed due to a mixture of how subtle it is and how widely accepted it is by society.
While not the only factor, most of the current gender discrimination amongst the Arthwyd can be traced back to the Blessing of Arthryn. As much as it has been boon to the chosen people of the eldest goddess as it has helped them in physical labour, surviving the many dangers of the world and in raising children to adulthood, it has also unfortunately singled out the female half of the population.
Due to the spiritual connection to Arthryn given the females with the blessing a likeness to the physical form of the Goddess of the People, the vast majority of the Arthwydish women at any point in time have large chests and wide hips alongside their improved fitness and healthiness. Beyond the practical effects of this making childbirth easier to survive for both the mother and the baby, it has left the Arthwydish women almost universally looking beautiful and attractive by the standards of the Arthwyd and most of the other societies in the region.
While every woman looking beautiful could have lessen the noteworthiness of the good looks and this has happened to extent, it has been blunted by other factors. For one, the Arthwyd are generally aware of outsiders enough such as the Merntir formerly and currently the Maradysh that they have non-blessed women to compare their own against, keeping them from forgetting the beauty of their blessed women. Secondly, a filled out set of chest and hips is considered to be divine beauty due to both the Arthrynite goddesses looking like that and the curvy figure that Arthryn's blessing gives the women of the Arthwyd. This leads to the highly religious Arthwyd believing that a large chest alongside wide hips are the epitome of physical attractiveness due to a mixture of that body type both being good for reproduction and being associated with divine beauty. So while almost every Arthwydish woman has the figure, it remains as a sign of beauty despite its near universal nature.
With this view on beauty lasting for countless generations, it has had some insidious effects on the Arthwyd culture and how they viewed gender. The variation in how curvy a woman is combined with a general belief that the goddesses have large curves due to a belief that bigger is better, it has resulted in Arthwyd women having larger curves being a sign that they are more favoured by the goddesses with bigger curves meaning more divine favour.
Despite lacking factual basis and not being explicitly confirmed by any of the goddesses, that belief has become entrenched in Arthwyd society and by the time of the Cadlon Edwyn, three in four of the priesthood are women and slightly over half of them have larger than average curves by Arthwydish standard.
On the flipside of things, the curvy figure of the blessed women, especially their large chests, makes more physically strenuous activities harder for the blessed women of the People. While it can be annoying for the farmers and artisans, for the warriors and hunters, it is a far bigger concern and the difficulties that their big bosoms provide ends up turning many women away from joining the Cateyes, Catclaws and the regular hunters. So just as the priesthood is primarily women, three in four of the Arthwyd military are male.
The end result is what while in theory a man can become a priest and a woman can become a warrior or hunter and in practice, they still can, within Arthwyd society, it is becoming increasing common to view being a priest as a woman's job while being a hunter or warrior is a man's job to the point that this set of beliefs is now entrenched in Arthwyd society and will be hard to remove.
Arthwyd Sexism
Another impact of the Blessing of Arthryn on how gender is viewed by the Arthwyd is due to be a combination of it mixing with the lack of Arthwyd sexual taboos. The lack of sexual taboos by the Arthwyd has resulted in their society being very sexually open and sex is considered a casual pastime and lewd references and remarks are rife in Arthwydish society. Due to the blessing and the Arthwydish beliefs on attractiveness making almost every Arthwydish woman beautiful while men are still hit and miss when it comes to physical attractiveness, the end result is that the women are a lot more sexualised than the men. Since is due to the fact that the women are consistently beautiful and it is easier to reference their beauty in casual conversation whilst men are more varied in how handsome or ugly they are and you cannot reliable reference their good looks.
As a result, there is something of a sexist undertone to the lewd remarks and sexual comments of the Arthwyd as it is far more common to reference the almost universally beautiful women over the sometimes handsome men. This most commonly takes the form of referencing the visible obvious and distinctive features that is the large chests of the blessed women. The end result is a lot of Arthwyd sexual comments are centred around a woman's 'mountains' with men being asked if they have been climbing a woman's mountains while the women are asked if a man has been climbing their mountains as a common example. The most common sexual slang of the Arthwyd is comparing the chest size of a woman to geographical landmarks with the ranges being plains for a flat chest, mounds for a small bosom, hills and mountains being used for larger chest sizes. Within the range of chest sized for the blessed women of the Peoples, hills are used to refer to the small half while mountains are used to refer to the larger half.
While they could have commented on the wide hips of the blessed women, it has ended up being the big breasts that get mentioned and amongst the few who think about this phenomena put it down to it being easier to associated the top curves with stone and earth related slang than it is with the bottom curves.
Arthwyd Foreign Outlook
While the Arthwyd have always been tolerant and accepting of outsiders, they also viewed themselves as being civilised while outsiders are considered to be barbarians and their distinctively different cultural practices to be barbaric. The most common way that Arthwyd view foreigners to be barbarians is in regards to the personal freedoms of their people. Thanks to Arthryn, Goddess of the People, the Arthwyd have strong beliefs regarding free choice and the chance to prove oneself provided the choices made don't harm the community and these beliefs are firmly entranced in Arthwydish society. Considering this wide range of personal liberty to be a fundamental part of being civilised, they view the lesser freedoms of foreign cultures to be 'barbaric'. Slavery, caste systems, arranged marriages and forced social roles are all considered ways of barbarians by the Arthwyd and as a result, they look down upon any neighbours who practice these things as being uncivilised.
Another major way in which the Arthwyd view foreign cultures as barbaric is in how they view communal-based societies vs familial-based societies. Having been a communal culture for as long as they can remember, the Arthwyd disregard the idea of prioritising your blood relatives over your community as a selfish and inferior way of doing things. Those that practice such ways of life are clearly barbarians due to how they are focused on themselves over what is best for their community. Given that most other cultures follow this way of doing things, the Arthwyd end up viewing pretty much all of their neighbours are barbarians for this reason.
Beyond this, the deeply religious and devout Arthwyd view worshipping the Arthrynite pantheon as another sign of civilisation. While they acknowledge that other people have their own deities to follow, there is an unspoken assumption amongst the People that their goddesses are superior to foreign deities. Due to this unspoken belief, the Arthwyd will view those that refuse to worship Arthryn and her Daughters are uncivilised even if they don't go as far as to call non-believers barbarians on the few times this belief gets voiced or brought up.
Another way that the People view foreigners as being inferior is caused by the Blessing of Arthryn. While the Blessing of Arthryn combined with the healthy and consistent diet of the Arthryn results in effectively all of the Arthwydish women growing up to have curvy figures. Meanwhile the foreign women due to lacking the blessing and not always having the regular food intake of the Arthwyd rarely end up with a curvy figure like their blessed counterparts. Combined with how they lack the regular food intake of the People and the innate fitness that the Blessing of Arthryn gives leaves them both shorter and frailer on average, the flat and small chests of the foreign women leave them looking downright childish to the People. Used to seeing their women blossom into filled out figures as they grow up, the Arthwyd will look upon foreign women and subconsciously compare them to their own children before they mature and come of age.
Despite how much they look down upon their foreign neighbours for being uncivilised barbarians, the Arthwyd make sure to respect their strength. They know all too well that just because their neighbours are barbaric and uncivilised, it doesn't meant that they are also weak or poor warriors. If anything, their barbaric ways leave the People feeling that they are dangerous foes to face. While this is partially due to having been on the receiving end of some fierce fighting against barbarians during the reign of Cadlon Evalyn Boarslayer, it is also due to how the People view the martial culture of their neighbours as being another sign of their barbarian.
The Arthwyd have their sacred warriors, the Catclaws and Cateyes who defend the people in service to the goddesses, and view the massed ranks of foreign warriors who fight not in duty to the divine, but for glory and plunder as being barbaric in nature. The way that many foreign cultures will fight amongst themselves instead of standing united is another manner in which the People view their neighbours to be barbarians. But even as they sneer and disparaged such ways as being barbaric, the People also recognise how it leaves their barbarian neighbours as being dangerous combatants that should be not underestimated. In many ways, the People view peaceful and non-violent ways as a sign of civilisation while the savage and violent ways of their neighbours as barbaric, leaving a general impression that due to being barbaric, their barbarian neighbours are going to be fearsome warriors compared to more civilised people.
Yet despite what they think of their barbarian neighbours, the Arthwyd are more than happy to accept foreigners into the People. This is primarily due to tolerant and accepting views so they respect the choices of others so long as they don't cause harm and they will give people a chance to prove themselves, regardless of their birth. So even if someone was born and raised amongst barbarians, they will still be given a chance to become part of the People if they make that choice.
However, the People may be happy to welcome the outsiders themselves into their ranks, they also expect the immigrants to adopt their culture and leave their own behind. The People don't tolerate barbaric ways being brought into their communities very well and as a result, any immigrants are strongly encouraged and pressured to change their ways to that of the People. On the rare occasions that someone refuse to conform to the Arthwydish ways of life, they end up as either being left a social outcast or exiled from the community they tried to call home. There is also a strong pressure on outsiders to reproduce with someone who has the Blessing of Arthryn so that their offspring will be blessed. On the flipside of things, they will be strongly discouraged from reproducing with someone who also lacks the blessing as it is considered bad for the community to have a kid who lacks the Blessing of Arthryn.
Arthwyd Parenting
Due to their communal-based society, the Arthwyd have something of a unique approach to raising their children compared to pretty much all of their neighbours. While their familial-based neighbours will have the children raised by their blood-relatives, the Arthwyd expect the children to be raised by the whole community. Everyone within the community is expected to pitch in and help raise the all of the children. Some parents may pay more attention to their biological offspring, but many women will get themselves pregnant and then have a kid which try will just turn over to the rest of the community to deal with. Even those parents who look after their kids are still expected to let the community help teach the child as a pair of parents trying to raise a child on their own is considered selfish and harmful to both the child and the community. This is because the Arthwyd feel that by letting the whole community pitch into raise the children, the children will get more attention and a better education then if it was just their parents or blood relatives.
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The Arthwyd only have two sexual taboos. The first is consent as all involved parties need to be willingly participating. This is due to the fact that the Arthwyd value choice and fair treatment of others. Forcing others into doing something they don't want to do unless it is for their own good and that of the community is considered to be wrong by the Arthryd. While it means that you can get forced to do unpleasant jobs that need doing, it also means that forcing someone into a funtime activity like fornication is considered unacceptable and acting such a manner is bad for the community as you are showing no regard for the other members of your community. As a result, consent and willingly participation are valued greatly by the Arthwyd.
This requirement for consent also means that bestiality is taboo for the Arthwyd. While there is no direct taboo against fornicating with an animal, the lack of intelligence and ability to speak by an animals means that they are unable to give consent by the standards of the Arthwyd. Because of this inability to give consent, the Arthwyd consider all sexual activities with an animal to be forcing yourself upon the animal and therefore taboo. After all, if one is willingly to force themselves upon an animal, what is stopping them from forcing themselves upon a member of their community?
The second taboo is no incestuous relationships. Due to the subtle and unknown influence of Wyrn, Goddess of Stories, Trickery and Arts, the People have developed a strong distain and disapproval of engaging a blood relative in sexual relations. Two partners with the same blood involving themselves in sexual activities is considered to be unhealthy as it spiritually contaminates them due to the overlapping blood. This reasoning is effectively made up nonsense by the goddess Wyrn as she seeks to keep the People from telling stories that have her and her family romancing each other. Even beyond Wyrn's active influence in maintaining the taboo, exposure to foreign cultures which share this taboo has only strengthened it in the eyes of the Arthwyd.
Beyond these two taboos, the Arthwyd have no restrictions on what you can do in terms of sex and there are pretty much no restrictions beyond what can be physically done and what you can get the other parties involved to agree to.
Arthwyd Gender Roles
While the open nature of the Arthwyd has left them tolerant and accepting, some discrimination based upon gender has crept into their society. Even it if could be much worse and it nowhere near as bad as what some barbarian communities practice, it is still there and goes effectively unnoticed due to a mixture of how subtle it is and how widely accepted it is by society.
While not the only factor, most of the current gender discrimination amongst the Arthwyd can be traced back to the Blessing of Arthryn. As much as it has been boon to the chosen people of the eldest goddess as it has helped them in physical labour, surviving the many dangers of the world and in raising children to adulthood, it has also unfortunately singled out the female half of the population.
Due to the spiritual connection to Arthryn given the females with the blessing a likeness to the physical form of the Goddess of the People, the vast majority of the Arthwydish women at any point in time have large chests and wide hips alongside their improved fitness and healthiness. Beyond the practical effects of this making childbirth easier to survive for both the mother and the baby, it has left the Arthwydish women almost universally looking beautiful and attractive by the standards of the Arthwyd and most of the other societies in the region.
While every woman looking beautiful could have lessen the noteworthiness of the good looks and this has happened to extent, it has been blunted by other factors. For one, the Arthwyd are generally aware of outsiders enough such as the Merntir formerly and currently the Maradysh that they have non-blessed women to compare their own against, keeping them from forgetting the beauty of their blessed women. Secondly, a filled out set of chest and hips is considered to be divine beauty due to both the Arthrynite goddesses looking like that and the curvy figure that Arthryn's blessing gives the women of the Arthwyd. This leads to the highly religious Arthwyd believing that a large chest alongside wide hips are the epitome of physical attractiveness due to a mixture of that body type both being good for reproduction and being associated with divine beauty. So while almost every Arthwydish woman has the figure, it remains as a sign of beauty despite its near universal nature.
With this view on beauty lasting for countless generations, it has had some insidious effects on the Arthwyd culture and how they viewed gender. The variation in how curvy a woman is combined with a general belief that the goddesses have large curves due to a belief that bigger is better, it has resulted in Arthwyd women having larger curves being a sign that they are more favoured by the goddesses with bigger curves meaning more divine favour.
Despite lacking factual basis and not being explicitly confirmed by any of the goddesses, that belief has become entrenched in Arthwyd society and by the time of the Cadlon Edwyn, three in four of the priesthood are women and slightly over half of them have larger than average curves by Arthwydish standard.
On the flipside of things, the curvy figure of the blessed women, especially their large chests, makes more physically strenuous activities harder for the blessed women of the People. While it can be annoying for the farmers and artisans, for the warriors and hunters, it is a far bigger concern and the difficulties that their big bosoms provide ends up turning many women away from joining the Cateyes, Catclaws and the regular hunters. So just as the priesthood is primarily women, three in four of the Arthwyd military are male.
The end result is what while in theory a man can become a priest and a woman can become a warrior or hunter and in practice, they still can, within Arthwyd society, it is becoming increasing common to view being a priest as a woman's job while being a hunter or warrior is a man's job to the point that this set of beliefs is now entrenched in Arthwyd society and will be hard to remove.
Arthwyd Sexism
Another impact of the Blessing of Arthryn on how gender is viewed by the Arthwyd is due to be a combination of it mixing with the lack of Arthwyd sexual taboos. The lack of sexual taboos by the Arthwyd has resulted in their society being very sexually open and sex is considered a casual pastime and lewd references and remarks are rife in Arthwydish society. Due to the blessing and the Arthwydish beliefs on attractiveness making almost every Arthwydish woman beautiful while men are still hit and miss when it comes to physical attractiveness, the end result is that the women are a lot more sexualised than the men. Since is due to the fact that the women are consistently beautiful and it is easier to reference their beauty in casual conversation whilst men are more varied in how handsome or ugly they are and you cannot reliable reference their good looks.
As a result, there is something of a sexist undertone to the lewd remarks and sexual comments of the Arthwyd as it is far more common to reference the almost universally beautiful women over the sometimes handsome men. This most commonly takes the form of referencing the visible obvious and distinctive features that is the large chests of the blessed women. The end result is a lot of Arthwyd sexual comments are centred around a woman's 'mountains' with men being asked if they have been climbing a woman's mountains while the women are asked if a man has been climbing their mountains as a common example. The most common sexual slang of the Arthwyd is comparing the chest size of a woman to geographical landmarks with the ranges being plains for a flat chest, mounds for a small bosom, hills and mountains being used for larger chest sizes. Within the range of chest sized for the blessed women of the Peoples, hills are used to refer to the small half while mountains are used to refer to the larger half.
While they could have commented on the wide hips of the blessed women, it has ended up being the big breasts that get mentioned and amongst the few who think about this phenomena put it down to it being easier to associated the top curves with stone and earth related slang than it is with the bottom curves.
Arthwyd Foreign Outlook
While the Arthwyd have always been tolerant and accepting of outsiders, they also viewed themselves as being civilised while outsiders are considered to be barbarians and their distinctively different cultural practices to be barbaric. The most common way that Arthwyd view foreigners to be barbarians is in regards to the personal freedoms of their people. Thanks to Arthryn, Goddess of the People, the Arthwyd have strong beliefs regarding free choice and the chance to prove oneself provided the choices made don't harm the community and these beliefs are firmly entranced in Arthwydish society. Considering this wide range of personal liberty to be a fundamental part of being civilised, they view the lesser freedoms of foreign cultures to be 'barbaric'. Slavery, caste systems, arranged marriages and forced social roles are all considered ways of barbarians by the Arthwyd and as a result, they look down upon any neighbours who practice these things as being uncivilised.
Another major way in which the Arthwyd view foreign cultures as barbaric is in how they view communal-based societies vs familial-based societies. Having been a communal culture for as long as they can remember, the Arthwyd disregard the idea of prioritising your blood relatives over your community as a selfish and inferior way of doing things. Those that practice such ways of life are clearly barbarians due to how they are focused on themselves over what is best for their community. Given that most other cultures follow this way of doing things, the Arthwyd end up viewing pretty much all of their neighbours are barbarians for this reason.
Beyond this, the deeply religious and devout Arthwyd view worshipping the Arthrynite pantheon as another sign of civilisation. While they acknowledge that other people have their own deities to follow, there is an unspoken assumption amongst the People that their goddesses are superior to foreign deities. Due to this unspoken belief, the Arthwyd will view those that refuse to worship Arthryn and her Daughters are uncivilised even if they don't go as far as to call non-believers barbarians on the few times this belief gets voiced or brought up.
Another way that the People view foreigners as being inferior is caused by the Blessing of Arthryn. While the Blessing of Arthryn combined with the healthy and consistent diet of the Arthryn results in effectively all of the Arthwydish women growing up to have curvy figures. Meanwhile the foreign women due to lacking the blessing and not always having the regular food intake of the Arthwyd rarely end up with a curvy figure like their blessed counterparts. Combined with how they lack the regular food intake of the People and the innate fitness that the Blessing of Arthryn gives leaves them both shorter and frailer on average, the flat and small chests of the foreign women leave them looking downright childish to the People. Used to seeing their women blossom into filled out figures as they grow up, the Arthwyd will look upon foreign women and subconsciously compare them to their own children before they mature and come of age.
Despite how much they look down upon their foreign neighbours for being uncivilised barbarians, the Arthwyd make sure to respect their strength. They know all too well that just because their neighbours are barbaric and uncivilised, it doesn't meant that they are also weak or poor warriors. If anything, their barbaric ways leave the People feeling that they are dangerous foes to face. While this is partially due to having been on the receiving end of some fierce fighting against barbarians during the reign of Cadlon Evalyn Boarslayer, it is also due to how the People view the martial culture of their neighbours as being another sign of their barbarian.
The Arthwyd have their sacred warriors, the Catclaws and Cateyes who defend the people in service to the goddesses, and view the massed ranks of foreign warriors who fight not in duty to the divine, but for glory and plunder as being barbaric in nature. The way that many foreign cultures will fight amongst themselves instead of standing united is another manner in which the People view their neighbours to be barbarians. But even as they sneer and disparaged such ways as being barbaric, the People also recognise how it leaves their barbarian neighbours as being dangerous combatants that should be not underestimated. In many ways, the People view peaceful and non-violent ways as a sign of civilisation while the savage and violent ways of their neighbours as barbaric, leaving a general impression that due to being barbaric, their barbarian neighbours are going to be fearsome warriors compared to more civilised people.
Yet despite what they think of their barbarian neighbours, the Arthwyd are more than happy to accept foreigners into the People. This is primarily due to tolerant and accepting views so they respect the choices of others so long as they don't cause harm and they will give people a chance to prove themselves, regardless of their birth. So even if someone was born and raised amongst barbarians, they will still be given a chance to become part of the People if they make that choice.
However, the People may be happy to welcome the outsiders themselves into their ranks, they also expect the immigrants to adopt their culture and leave their own behind. The People don't tolerate barbaric ways being brought into their communities very well and as a result, any immigrants are strongly encouraged and pressured to change their ways to that of the People. On the rare occasions that someone refuse to conform to the Arthwydish ways of life, they end up as either being left a social outcast or exiled from the community they tried to call home. There is also a strong pressure on outsiders to reproduce with someone who has the Blessing of Arthryn so that their offspring will be blessed. On the flipside of things, they will be strongly discouraged from reproducing with someone who also lacks the blessing as it is considered bad for the community to have a kid who lacks the Blessing of Arthryn.
Arthwyd Parenting
Due to their communal-based society, the Arthwyd have something of a unique approach to raising their children compared to pretty much all of their neighbours. While their familial-based neighbours will have the children raised by their blood-relatives, the Arthwyd expect the children to be raised by the whole community. Everyone within the community is expected to pitch in and help raise the all of the children. Some parents may pay more attention to their biological offspring, but many women will get themselves pregnant and then have a kid which try will just turn over to the rest of the community to deal with. Even those parents who look after their kids are still expected to let the community help teach the child as a pair of parents trying to raise a child on their own is considered selfish and harmful to both the child and the community. This is because the Arthwyd feel that by letting the whole community pitch into raise the children, the children will get more attention and a better education then if it was just their parents or blood relatives.
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So this is the sufficient velocity experience.
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Merit = having big boobs
Do you guys now understand why I mock all attempts to become a "meritocracy"?
Do you guys now understand why I mock all attempts to become a "meritocracy"?
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It's a matriarchy with a emphasis on debauchery at least, Could have potential in a NSFW format. Going with how voluptuous the woman are and being a divine mandate to "Integrate" foreigners, But I digress it's interesting where this Civilization is at the moment.
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Since we just had this discussion, I think it fits to bring up a few points. The GM's interpretation and offered solution about the "boob issue" was to seperate sexual elements from the text. But that is not really my main problem.
My main problem is well illustrated with the infodump above. There's no real sexual content in it, so the problem doesn't lie there. My problem is that there's a significant flanderization going on, which basically reduces the Arthwyd to " the civ with big breasts".
From the narrative, you would conclude that cup-size (and other secondary sexual characteristics) are the only social factors of note. The Blessing is used as the sole explanation as for gender roles. It used as the sole explanation for sexist claims and insults. It's used as the dominant explanation for foreign relations and xenophobia.
It seems as if literally nothing of note happened to our civ expect curvy ladies. Major events like giant wars, internal conflict, the dead rising from the grave to attack us, have left no impact whatsoever.
My main problem is well illustrated with the infodump above. There's no real sexual content in it, so the problem doesn't lie there. My problem is that there's a significant flanderization going on, which basically reduces the Arthwyd to " the civ with big breasts".
From the narrative, you would conclude that cup-size (and other secondary sexual characteristics) are the only social factors of note. The Blessing is used as the sole explanation as for gender roles. It used as the sole explanation for sexist claims and insults. It's used as the dominant explanation for foreign relations and xenophobia.
It seems as if literally nothing of note happened to our civ expect curvy ladies. Major events like giant wars, internal conflict, the dead rising from the grave to attack us, have left no impact whatsoever.
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I blame a certain "goddess" and her stories....
I mean, what can you expect from a shitty teen fanfic writer?