Chronicles of Nations - Civ Quest
- Thread starter Oshha
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- Original
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- Staring into the void
[X] [Cadlon] Isoldyn (Female, Excellent Admin)
[X] [GA] Unlock the Palace Megaproject. (-2 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Mystic, -1 Temp Culture)
[X] [GA] Unlock the Palace Megaproject. (-2 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Mystic, -1 Temp Culture)
- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
- Pronouns
- He/Him
The military don't fancy their chances against the Coltyre normally, but with the massive slave revolts and the Forluc moving in, they fancy decent odds of overwhelming the remaining Boarfolk tribes if by sheer numbers. Also note that you do have your own cavalry so your army isn't just infantry only.
They don't want to join in as they got other things to focus on. Allying with the Forluc and taking land from the Coltyre are things that your people consider to be positive things and most are either neutral or supportive of those things.
You don't know how many Boarfolk died, but they have been driven back out of about 80% of their land and are currently consolidating their remaining tribes in their remaining territory. Do also note that their remaining territory is not continuous nor connected and is dotted about their old lands.
You don't know yet.
- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Yes, it will have some effects, but you don't know what they are yet.
- Location
- Sydney
[X][Demon] The Urthdysh take it home. (+1 Diplo, Free Magical Knowledge)
[X][Metal] Leave it in storage.
[X][Forluc] Accept it with a more permanent alliance between the Arthwyd and the Forluc. (+1 Diplo)
[X][Cadlon] Isoldyn (Female, Excellent Admin)
[X][GA] Unlock the Great Market Place Megaproject. (-2 Temp Diplo, -2 Temp Wealth)
[X][GA] Gain random administration technology advancement. (-1 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Mystic, -1 Temp Culture)
[X][GA] Upgrade Baby Boom to a Population Explosion. (-2 Temp Econ, -2 Temp Martial)
[X][Metal] Leave it in storage.
[X][Forluc] Accept it with a more permanent alliance between the Arthwyd and the Forluc. (+1 Diplo)
[X][Cadlon] Isoldyn (Female, Excellent Admin)
[X][GA] Unlock the Great Market Place Megaproject. (-2 Temp Diplo, -2 Temp Wealth)
[X][GA] Gain random administration technology advancement. (-1 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Mystic, -1 Temp Culture)
[X][GA] Upgrade Baby Boom to a Population Explosion. (-2 Temp Econ, -2 Temp Martial)
Can you provide a reason why you want to pursue the Great Market Place megaproject and the baby population explosion?
Girl Talk
- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Girl Talk
Wyrn watches the party plan out as the goddess leans against the brick wall. One of the prominent Forluc traders is throwing a party in Caermyr to both show off his wealth and to form new social contacts. While she doesn't particularly care about Fraedan or trade in general, Wyrn does enjoy this sort of party where you got folks from all over. It gives her the chance to socialise with a large variety of people and a wide choice of sexual partners to choose from.The goddess has already chosen a couple of people to approach with an offer to spend the night with them. A strapping young Forluc warrior with deep dusky skin and some bulked out muscles and one of her mother's priestesses, a pleasant woman approach the mid-point in her life who has recently acquired an attraction to women that she is eager to try out.
One of the best parts about being a goddess is being able to be in multiple places at once and do multiple things at once and Wyrn loves to take advantage of that perk to have multiple romantic partners in one night, usually at the same time. Raking her eyes across the crowd, Wyrn looks out for someone who could be her third partner for the night.
Looking across the crowd, Wyrn grins as she spots Bronwyn. The only one of her sisters to join her tonight, Bronwyn has managed to get the attention of the only foreign royalty here tonight, Princess Evalandin of the Forluc royal family. With a bosom of royal proportions and charcoal-black skin, Evalandin is an exotic beauty and she and Bron have clearly got each other's attentions. The two of them are already climbing each other's mountains as the Forluc princess is already groping Bronwyn's substantial chest.
As Wyrn feels proud of her little sister getting to brag a princess tonight, a Daughter of Urth marches up to her. This one is from the Urthdysh Federation, she is mostly likely an Urthrynite.
"Hello," says the Daughter of Urthryn as she addresses Wyrn, "I've looking have a talk with you, but I've never been sure how to get in touch with you."
"Oh?" says Wyrn as she turns her full attention on this newcomer, put on the alert by her words and the fact she is talking to despite Wyrn using her divine power to not be noticed by anyone.
"This body isn't mine," says the Daughter of Urthryn and in that moment, Wyrn realises she is talking talk not to the Daughter, but her mother, "I am just borrowing it from one of my Daughters for the evening in the hopes of finding you or one of your sisters here."
"I see," replies Wyrn, "And just what you wish to talk to me about?"
"Romancing your mother," answers Urthryn, earning a raised eyebrow from Wyrn, "I want her to return my love for her, but I have no clue on how to go about that. Right now, I have the potential to change myself into something else as my religion is formed, but I don't know what dearest Arthryn would want out of me."
"You're planning to change yourself just to suit Mum's tastes?" muses Wyrn, grinning at Urthryn, "You are really that in love with her? I thought never figured that was what you were after."
"It might not originally what I sought prior to my ascension, but doesn't matter for the likes of us does it now?" replies Urthryn as she returns Wyrn's grin with a strained smile, "I might have had different reasoning before for my actions, but as far as I am concerned right now, I did it for love and I even remember doing it for love. I intellectually realise that I actually had different reasoning, but I love Arthryn and I want her to love me back.
Arthryn's Bountiful Bosom, you have no idea how much I want to get my hands on her, especially that part of her. To hold our bodies against each other, for her to grope my body as I squeeze her mountains. My nature as a goddess just makes worse because as the Goddess of Lust, I am always lusting after her. Every moment, I just desire her and while I can sate it enough for it at times to ignore it, it never goes away and it always increases in time."
"That sounds like a problem," agrees Wyrn sympathetically, "Even if I don't help seduce Mum, I can still help you with your lust issues."
"I don't care about my lust!" exclaims Urthryn and Wyrn is glad that she keeping anyone from noticing them, "I love Arthryn! I don't care it if is because I am goddess and I am just that because my worshippers think I am, I love her. I love her and I want her to love me back. I will make whatever sacrifices I have to get her to return my love for her."
"I can help you with that too," Wyrn reassures her fellow goddess, "I know Mum better than anyone. We've fellow goddesses and I've known her since we were both mortal and had yet to ascend. As Mum's tastes, for reasons that make a lot of sense when you know them, Mum likes someone like herself. To get her to like you, you need to become a you-version of her, which is good for you because you are halfway there."
"Got some advice?" asks Urthryn hopefully.
"I do," confirms Wyrn with a smile, "But first, do you want to fornicate tonight? I will help you anyway with seducing Mum, but I want to have sex with you before then. Because we can't do if you marry Mum and become my new mother."
"Sounds like fun," agrees Urthryn, returning Wyrn's smile with her own, "I haven't quite figured how to manifest my own independent form yet..."
"I can teach you that," interrupts Wyrn, "It is pretty simple once you got the hang of it and you will want to do it if you are too seduce Mum. She doesn't approve of possessing others."
"Is that why you and your sisters don't do it?" inquires Urthryn.
"Yes," confirms Wyrn, "We could do it with our own followers, but Mum uses her power to block us from doing it. Not that any of us try anymore, but early on there were a few attempts."
"So I will need to stop possessing my Daughters to win Arthryn's love?" asks Urthryn.
"Right," answers Wyrn, "Speaking of which, you will need to shape your religion a bit as well alongside the culture of your worshippers. There are few things which Mum refuses to tolerate and if you want to have any luck with her, you will need avoid those things. One of them is slavery and the other is lack of consent. You can get rid of slavery easily enough. Mum doesn't mind it when it is the mindless wights even if she doesn't like undead herself so you just stop enslaving people with minds."
"That is simple enough," agrees Urthryn, "The other thing about lack of consent?"
"Mum puts a big deal on choice and fair treatment," explains Wyrn, "Hence why she is so against slavery. It is also beliefs that are responsible for the Arthwyd allowing most things so long as they aren't harmful and all parties content. Your Daughters will just go at it with anyone they want and you will need to reign that in. You can't let your followers just force themselves on whoever you want if they feel like it."
"I understand," replies Urthryn, "About as easy as getting rid of slavery. So about those other things that Arthryn likes? She likes someone like herself."
"Pretty much," answers Wyrn, "Mum is her own dream girl. As for what you can do...I've know you have gone for diplomacy and magic these days over your past as a warlord, but you will want to play up that aspect of you. Mum always prefers peace and diplomacy, but she is something of a warrior herself and loves it when someone is a determined, unyielding fighter when pushed. She has that adventurous side to her you know? That said, she hates violence and harm as the go to option and hates hurting others for the sake of hurting others or when you got alternatives. However, there is a reason all of our warriors are sacred and that is because Mum approves of fighting to protect your neighbours and community. You will want to be the sort of woman who is gold hiding bronze."
"I get it," says Urthryn, "She hates war and prefers peace and cooperation, but she also likes it when you are a mighty warrior who fights to protect their people. It is being violent or harmful for the wrong reasons that she hates. I can do that. It would just be a matter of playing up my past as a warleader and making it so that I am still like that and will be if diplomacy breaks down, but I always try diplomacy first to resolve things in a peaceful manner."
"As I said, gold hiding bronze," agrees Wyrn, "So onto appearances as it is pretty quick to cover and another thing which has a simple solution. Mum's tastes in women are pretty bog standard. Giant mountains, big butt and defined muscles are the way to go. Try putting a bit more muscle on your body as part of being a fighter when needed and you will good appearance-wise. The main thing is that looking attractive and beautiful isn't the main thing that Mum looks for in a partner. Mum's Bountiful Bosom, appearance is just a minor factor and Mum would go for someone ugly if they had the right personality. So don't worry about your own appearance too much.
What you need to deal with is your own preferences. You know what everyone thinks when they think of Mum? She only looks like that when she feels she is on divine business or when myself or one of my sisters have pestered her enough. The right of the time, she likes to take on the more mundane form she had a mortal. Because of that, you will want to set your preferences to something that will account for that. Mum will definitely appreciate you not minding if she looks like her divine self or not. Going about that is easy and as I said, there is a simple solution. Just set things up so you are just attracted to Arthryn regardless of what form she currently has."
"That is helpful advice," Urthryn tells Wyrn, "I don't think I would have figured it out without your help."
"Yeah, not many people know Mum personally enough to know that about her," says Wyrn, "We got appearance and gold hiding bronze down so lets talk about your lust issue. Since you are going for Mum, make it so that by being in the presence and with her, it sates your lust. Just being around her could lower it or at least stop from increasing and I bet we get things set up so if you managed to climb Mum's summit, you could get your lust sated for a couple of days, maybe as long as a whole week."
"You think you could do it?" inquires Urthryn hopefully.
"Aye," confirms Wyrn proudly, "This sort of thing is my speciality. Manipulating beliefs of mortals to change a goddess is trivial for me. By Mum, I do that sort of thing for fun to my sisters as pranks. I would do it to Mum, but she is immune to being changed like that."
"So you advice to help set up these changes?" inquires Urthryn.
"A mixture of honesty and trickery," answers Wyrn, "Your top priestesses should be brought in on this. That should work as none of the changes are too big or onerous and we can sell them on the reasoning of trying to get Mum to fall in love with you. Once we have brought them in, I can work with them to get the desired beliefs in place to get the right changes to you that we want. We will want to keep everyone else in the dark however. This is because we need the majority of them to actually believe in the changes for them to take effect and if they know that the changes aren't what you are really like, they won't end up changing you."
"Yes, that all makes sense," agrees Urthryn, "I can do that. Thank you for the help Wyrn. Do you have any further advice?"
"Yes," replies Wyrn with a wide grin, "Climb Bronwyn's mountains while you got the chance. You won't be able to if you succeed in getting Mum to fall in love with you and Bron is beautiful enough and good enough in bed that you will want to reach her summit at least a few times."
"I will keep that in mind," says Urthryn with her own smile, "I don't suppose you will put a good word in for me?"
"I will," promises Wyrn, "I have my own proposal for you."
"I am listening," replies Urthryn, "It is the least that I can do after all the help that you have given me and are going to give me."
"It is about Nalnir and his own fledging pantheon," says Wyrn, "The guy is a barbarian, but he has potential and his position means that he is a useful tool to make use of. I'm planning to try to make some lasting diplomatic ties between all three of our people to form a diverse, but unified power block. With the changes you are going to make to your religion, it is just a matter of getting the Forluc to change and given how much they try to imitate the Arthwyd, it should be easy enough to get the societal reforms through over a couple of centuries."
"And you want help with that," muses Urthryn, "I presume that the inroads I have already made into Forluc are what you are after. I can see how they would help speed things up."
"That and I want to avert some direct conflict between Nalnir and Mum that the dumb boar is spiralling towards, especially since there is a good chance of that conflict spreading to the Forluc and Arthwyd," answers Wyrn.
"What has that brute done now?" groans Urthryn, getting a slight grin from Wyrn.
"It is less what he has done and more what he is letting his followers do," explains Wyrn, "The Forluc are worshipping Evatine and Eredan as two lesser deities and Nalnir is letting them. However, Evatine was Mum's Champion and Mum isn't going to just let the Forluc twist Evatine into whatever warped perception they hold of her hence the conflict between Mum and Nalnir. Right now, I am trying to mitigate things by getting the Arthwyd to also worship her as a goddess so Evatine's divine nature is determined by Forluc belief alone."
"So what do you want me to do?" asks Urthryn.
"I am hoping that you can convince Nalnir not to interfere and maybe get your own followers to help influence the Forluc perception of Evatine," answers Wyrn, "Your Daughters could go and spread the right rumours to shift their perception of Evatine to something more favourable that isn't going to set Mum on a warpath."
"Yes, I could do both of those things," agrees Urthryn, "All I need to do is sleep with Nalnir and I can get him to do whatever I want in the aftermath. Yes, I shall help you with this."
"Thank you," says Wyrn, "I just wish Nalnir would think through so we could avoid things like this."
"Perhaps we could change that," muses Urthryn, looking thoughtful, "I wonder if Nalnir was to be a goddess rather than a god, they would think about things and not do so much stupid stuff."
"As amusing as it would be, I don't believe things work that way," replies Wyrn as she giggles, "That said, once we got the whole business with Evatine sorted out, I would be up for that anyway. It would be hilarious to make Nalnir into a women. A sexy one with big mountains."
"While I agree it would be worth doing for the fun of it, I do think that is something to Nalnir being less stupid as a goddess," says Urthryn with a snort of laughter, "Nalnir is influenced by the beliefs of his worshippers like we are and the Forluc believe that men are strong and tough while women are beautiful and intelligent. Right now as a male god, Nalnir is strong and tough, but lacking in smarts and I believe that is due to how males like him are viewed by his worshippers. If Nalnir was a female goddess, I would bet that they would be like how the Forluc view women, which is beautiful and intelligent. While a smart and cunning Nalnir would have its own set of issues for us to deal with, I feel that it would be a preferable trade-off for not having to deal with that idiot causing unnecessary trouble because he acts without thinking."
"Okay, I do believe your theory could be true," replies Wyrn after a couple seconds of silence, "We can try making Nalnir into a goddess. If your theory is right, we don't have to deal with his stupidity anymore. If you are wrong, then Nalnir will just be a woman and that would be shattering hilarious. However, I will insist that we wait until Evatine has been handled. Ensuring her wellbeing takes priority over messing with Nalnir."
"Agreed," says Urthryn, "Dearest Arthryn would hate it if we let Evatine suffer because we were doing things to Nalnir."
Rather than reply, Wyrn glances at the party. She grins as she spots Bronwyn walking off with Evalandin as her sister holds the drunk princess upright. Both of them are giggling and smilingly as they take turns copping a feels of each other's womanly bodies.
"You know, I feel we ought to follow Bron's example and retire for the night," says Wyrn as she gives Urthryn a sly smile, "We hit all of the major points of our discussion and I feel like having some sex with you now. How about we head back to my room for the night and I will show you about to create your own physical form?"
"It sounds like fun," agrees Urthryn as she smiles right back at her fellow goddess before the two of them break down laughing.
"You know what Urthryn," says Wyrn as she gets her laughter under control, "I feel we are going to get along quite well."
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Okay, I haven't proofread this at all so expect spelling and grammar mistakes and please point out them if you spot any. Please quote them in the thread and explain what you think is wrong so I know what you are referring to. Feel to ask questions for more details and information.
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Wyrn continues to be op, she's also the best way to get the Forum to stop with the slaving it seems.
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Fixed. Thanks for pointing those mistakes out.
Wyrn is goddess of Keikaku
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- Simi Valley, CA, United States
Uh...I don't know about changing Nalnir into a woman. It's already been done with Urth and I really do think we need a male god - something for the men in our society to be inspired by and aspire to.
Though, admittedly, Nalnir isn't the best role model there.
But if he's going to be changed anyway...
Though, admittedly, Nalnir isn't the best role model there.
But if he's going to be changed anyway...
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Evalon is a pretty cool dude. Longest-lived cadlon in history, strengthened the empire, forged relations with the Urthdysh, and oversaw the vanquishing of a demon. His reign has been success after success, even outside of his diplomatic expertise, and he has earned his 5/3 Legitimacy. Might be the best cadlon we've have yet. Might be worth deification.
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Some time ago, I made the argument that the Arthwyd were at risk of picking up a misandryst element. I suspect this just an early manifestation.
On that note, wasn't there a divine ban against reprogramming sentient entities against their will? Wyrn seems quite happy to push to borders.
Specifically that ban was on her sisters I believe, and when it is for their own good/good of the Arthwyd, see All-Seeress. If Wyrn thinks she can stop Nalnir from being quite so incredibly unpleasant and screwing Evatine, Arthryn will probably allow it.
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I hope to see Evalon as God. We need at least one male god and he is a good proof that men are good at ruling as well as women.
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About changing Nalnir to female isn't he one of the oldest gods around, maybe even older than Arthryn ? Im quite sure that at this point he would resist any such change.
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About changing Nalnir to female isn't he one of the oldest gods around, maybe even older than Arthryn ? Im quite sure that at this point he would resist any such change.
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Regardless of whether or not it would be nice to keep Nalnir as a male god, Urthryn would want to make Nalnir into a woman to avoid dealing with his recklessness and the problems he causes from acting without thinking while Wyrn thinks it would be funny to make Nalnir into a woman and is okay with doing it due to her thinking he is an arse.
Step one of Wyrn's plan to make Nalnir a goddess is to convince him that he is better off as a woman. If that doesn't work, then she will try to go with this:
Wyrn will try to convince Arthryn to allow it for the greater good via using Urthryn's theory and how Evatine almost got twisted into some warped mockery of herself thanks to Nalnir/the Forluc.
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We really to get down our Legitimacy....
Ah yes, "the greater good".
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While the Forluc god is hardly a good example of such, I think having a male god is needed. Our gender roles loosely come down to men fight and perform physically intense labor while woman do everything else, but even that isn't well represented. All our martial heroes and leaders have still been woman, so having an official role model for men and somebody to cover the divine weakness in warfare.
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Okay. So okay. I thought about this and have come up with (I believe) a elegant solution that nibs our growing gender norm problem in the bud.
Nalnir is simply not a good male role model. I concur that he needs to be made more peaceful and diplomatic. So him becoming Nalnira Goddess of the Sun and Harvests isn't that bad, I think. Include them abolishing slavery and taking up a more fair and just legal system and I can see a union/alliance to the three states.
However, that doesn't really change the core issue.
So, Nalnir isn't a good role model, but know who is?
Arth.
I propose as was mentioned here that we reveal that Arthryn, when she was mortal, was actually a couple. That Arthryn is actually two in one. That the more peaceful, progressive ideas of everyone being born equal, deserving a helping hand from their community, and should be treated fairly actually belonged to the man, and Ryn (we can keep the V dropped off) was actually the Martial Hero and warrior of the pair.
Hopefully, this can mitigate any systematic inequality with "he takes after Arth" or "she takes after Ryn".
Arth deserves to be remembered.
Nalnir is simply not a good male role model. I concur that he needs to be made more peaceful and diplomatic. So him becoming Nalnira Goddess of the Sun and Harvests isn't that bad, I think. Include them abolishing slavery and taking up a more fair and just legal system and I can see a union/alliance to the three states.
However, that doesn't really change the core issue.
So, Nalnir isn't a good role model, but know who is?
Arth.
I propose as was mentioned here that we reveal that Arthryn, when she was mortal, was actually a couple. That Arthryn is actually two in one. That the more peaceful, progressive ideas of everyone being born equal, deserving a helping hand from their community, and should be treated fairly actually belonged to the man, and Ryn (we can keep the V dropped off) was actually the Martial Hero and warrior of the pair.
Hopefully, this can mitigate any systematic inequality with "he takes after Arth" or "she takes after Ryn".
Arth deserves to be remembered.
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Totally agree! I'm sure that Evatine would love to have her little boy among the pantheon too.
… Agreed
@Oshha are their actions we should take to properly Deify Evalon and Evatine or is this just a narrative thing? Also is their anyway to raise our Legitimacy cap from 3 or is it stuck their permanently and we just need to reduce legitmacy if we don't want it too high?