Chronicles of Nations - Civ Quest

Zaealix · Feb 25, 2019

Hyuuu~ I'm surprised the All-Seeing was that much of a proto-god given how much more developed Merntir magic is compared to Arthrynite magic...But I think I can make sense of it:
Basically, we went heavy-divine magics, our people don't actually have that much in the way of magical skill or ability yet...But instead we've developed and powered-up Goddess who handle most of the magic for us.
The Merntir on the other hand, has more of the 'magic' being done on the human's end, with only a simplistic God who probably just gets a ping to send energy, and then sends it, versus the Goddesses who probably hears out the prayer, and from there goes 'okay which domain is this person asking for? and how much do they need, do I need to shape this...' And that's why the magic seems much more limited on our end, if more versatile.

Oshha · Feb 25, 2019

khang said:
Talking about consent, was all-seeress self aware enough to be able to make the decision if the goddess asked?

At this point? Yes. When they started doing it? No.

Kiba · Feb 25, 2019

How do we get ya signaling towers like the one that LotR have?

Omegahugger · Feb 25, 2019

Zaealix said:
Hyuuu~ I'm surprised the All-Seeing was that much of a proto-god given how much more developed Merntir magic is compared to Arthrynite magic...But I think I can make sense of it:
Basically, we went heavy-divine magics, our people don't actually have that much in the way of magical skill or ability yet...But instead we've developed and powered-up Goddess who handle most of the magic for us.
The Merntir on the other hand, has more of the 'magic' being done on the human's end, with only a simplistic God who probably just gets a ping to send energy, and then sends it, versus the Goddesses who probably hears out the prayer, and from there goes 'okay which domain is this person asking for? and how much do they need, do I need to shape this...' And that's why the magic seems much more limited on our end, if more versatile.

I think it's more because Arthryn had a human base, and the All-Seer didn't.

When you start off remembering a God for all the human things they did, they'll be a lot more human than "that concept of a magic 8-ball the priests ask for help".

Knight Draco · Feb 25, 2019

@Oshha what are they shaping the personality of the All seeres to be?

Star · Feb 25, 2019

Omegahugger said:
I think it's more because Arthryn had a human base, and the All-Seer didn't.

When you start off remembering a God for all the human things they did, they'll be a lot more human than "that concept of a magic 8-ball the priests ask for help".

I think it is because Arthryn was more powerful goddess.
Human base or not if Al-Seer was more powerful he/she would won.

Oshha · Feb 25, 2019

Omegahugger said:
I think it's more because Arthryn had a human base, and the All-Seer didn't.

When you start off remembering a God for all the human things they did, they'll be a lot more human than "that concept of a magic 8-ball the priests ask for help".

Apart from the All-Seeress, the Arthrynite goddesses are all formed from the soul/spirit of the mortal that they were originally though Arthryn was formed from a fusion of Arth and Vryn's souls. As a result, they are all a direct continuation of who they were in life. The Goddess Wyrn was originally Wyrn, granddaughter of Arth and Vryn. The Goddess Ymarn was originally Ancient Ymarn the Wise. The Goddess Evalyn was originally Cadlon Evalyn Boarslayer.

Knight Draco said:
@Oshha what are they shaping the personality of the All seeres to be?

No one knows.

Star said:
I think it is because Arthryn was more powerful goddess.
Human base or not if Al-Seer was more powerful he/she would won.

Not necessarily. More power would have given the All-Seer the advantage, but it wouldn't have guaranteed them victory.

Somebodynobody10 · Feb 25, 2019

Oshha said:
Apart from the All-Seeress, the Arthrynite goddesses are all formed from the soul/spirit of the mortal that they were originally though Arthryn was formed from a fusion of Arth and Vryn's souls. As a result, they are all a direct continuation of who they were in life. The Goddess Wyrn was originally Wyrn, granddaughter of Arth and Vryn. The Goddess Ymarn was originally Ancient Ymarn the Wise. The Goddess Evalyn was originally Cadlon Evalyn Boarslayer.

No one knows.

Not necessarily. More power would have given the All-Seer the advantage, but it wouldn't have guaranteed them victory.

May I ask a more pertinent question to our current situation?
Which of the actions (convert or not convert) would have a higher chance of co-opting the new goddess as part of our pantheon? Because I can see a reason to have one that is focused on breaking stagnation.

Oshha · Feb 25, 2019

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Omegahugger · Feb 25, 2019

wow what a shocking result

Random Member · Feb 25, 2019

Everything is moving according to my design.

In time, the paradox shall break them utterly.

And from the ashes, WE shall be the ones to rise.

Oshha · Feb 25, 2019

Maradysh Negaverse - Cadlon Bronwyn the Beautiful

(Y) [CADLON] Perition to become the Cadlon of the Arthwyd
(Y) [MAIN] Settle Land (North River Fields)

Looking out over the sea, Cadlon Bronwyn the Beautiful of the Arthwyd and Maradysh feels a sense of pride building up in her chest. She had ruled over the Arthwyd for many seasons and had ruled over the Maradysh for even longer.

It was a point of pride in the matronly woman that she had brought both of her people together under their banner. They were far from united, but Bronwyn hoped to change that. Charming, beautiful and persuasive, she is adored by both the northerners and the southerners and she will have enough life left in her to leverage that bringing them together.

And while she held a place in her heart for both of her people, Bronwyn knew that if she were to unite them, the Arthwyd would be dominant. The people of the north were simply larger, more build up with trails connecting all of their villages and a shrine to the goddesses in every settlement.

The Maradysh might have expanded under the reign of her grandmother and father, but their villages were meagre and underdeveloped compared to those of the Arthwyd. And it wasn't just the Arthwyd as the northerners had the Merntir even further north, who were just as large and developed as the Arthwyd.

Speaking of large and developed, Bronwyn strokes a hand down her chest, once again appreciating the body that Arthryn has blessed her with. While every member of the northerners has the blessing, living amongst the Maradysh has allowed Bronwyn to truly understand the gift that the oldest goddess has given her chosen people.

Speaking of the goddesses, that is the key to bringing the north and south together. While the Maradysh have their own deities to worship, only the Boarfolk worship their All-Boar with any true fervour. For the rest, Zaranna is just there to be worshipped and prayed to in hopes of gaining her favour.

The Arthwyd and Merntir worship Arthryn and her Daughters with great devoutness, following their teachings and wisdoms to the point that they have spread throughout the entirety of northern society. While it would be impossible for Bronwyn to change the culture of the Maradysh so radically, she could try converting them over to worship the Arthrynite pantheon.

As she stares out at the sea of her birthplace, Cadlon Bronwyn the Beautiful decides that she will show the Maradysh the glory of Arthryn and her Daughters.

Cadlon Bronwyn the Beautiful of the Arthwyd and the Maradysh is attempting to convert the Maradysh. How do the Maradysh elders respond?
() Embrace the northern goddesses. [???]
() Let things play out. [???]
() Resist the foul influence of the mad goddesses [-1 Stability, -1 Legitimacy, ???]

Moon said:
Okay, what is going on here? Didn't we just break free of the northerners a couple of turns ago and now we have just submitted to them again? Why are we just handing ourselves over to them? What gives?

Pizzaman said:
Well, we did reach out to them both times, first with the marriage offer and then with Bronwyn trying to get herself made Cadlon of the Arthwyd in addition to being our Cadlon.

Veeky said:
(Y) Embrace the northern goddesses. [???]

It makes sense when you think about it. They are a well-established civ with a long history with plenty of developed culture and infrastructure. Meanwhile we are the remnants of a collapsed civ that has been conquered a couple of times. Even through we have expanded, we don't have any real unifying culture like the Arthwyd do. It makes sense that they would culturally dominate us for the same reason that we ended up being the lesser partner in the personal union.

We are culturally and technologically inferior and lack the infrastructure that the north has built up over generations. Given how religious they are, it makes sense that they would try to convert us. Since they got a Diplo/Culture Hero leading the effort who happens to be leader of both civs, I don't see how we can successfully resist. At this point, we should just go along to make the process less painful for us.

Moon said:
Veeky said:

We are culturally and technologically inferior and lack the infrastructure that the north has built up over generations. Given how religious they are, it makes sense that they would try to convert us. Since they got a Diplo/Culture Hero leading the effort who happens to be leader of both civs, I don't see how we can successfully resist. At this point, we should just go along to make the process less painful for us.

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No, I want to fight to the bitter end, we just got our freedom and we cannot just give it up so easily and without a fight.

(Y) Resist the foul influence of the mad goddesses [-1 Stability, -1 Legitimacy, ???]

Fight for the freedom against the genocidal conquerors!

Chosen Comrade said:
(O) Resist the foul influence of the mad goddesses [-1 Stability, -1 Legitimacy, ???]

The True Name of God is I. There is no need for "gods", only man.

Dame Felis said:
Give me my catgirls!!!

(Y) Embrace the northern goddesses. [???]

Cabi said:
I can't believe how this has backfired on us. We were supposed to be taking over the northerners by making our queen their queen, but they managed to end up diplomatically taking us over. I'm not sure whether to be impressed or annoyed by this.

Veeky said:
Cabi said:

I can't believe how this has backfired on us. We were supposed to be taking over the northerners by making our queen their queen, but they managed to end up diplomatically taking us over. I'm not sure whether to be impressed or annoyed by this.

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To be fair, we knew that they were a lot better than us. That sort of things comes with them being an ancient civ compared to us. We only been around for about a couple of centuries now while they have to at least a thousand years and we spent one of those centuries conquered.

In hindsight, expansion might not have been the best of ideas. While it would have helped if they had decided to conquer us again, it has left us weak to cultural assimilation. Given that the Arthwyd have proven so open to diplomacy, we should have strengthen our culture so we wouldn't end up overwhelmed like we have. The benefits of hindsight.

ClinkerQueen said:
Has everyone forgotten how they genocided and conquered us just a few generations ago?

Alphapuncher said:
Did someone say catgirls?

(Y) Embrace the northern goddesses. [???]

Moon said:
Anime sellouts.

jjffjhjf · Feb 25, 2019

This seems to be a good thing for us. 2 votes for fighting against it, 3 for anime catgirls. Assuming this has anything at all to do with what actually happened, it seems we've managed to convert most of them to our pantheon. Likely just the Boarfolk who don't, and well... we can hopefully have some priests talk back and forth between the two, and work together. At least as allied pantheons, which would hopefully also keep the Boarfolk Nomads from raiding us too.

Knight Draco · Feb 25, 2019

CAT GIRLS? OwO

KnownParadox · Feb 25, 2019

[X] Yes. (???)

HanEmpire · Feb 25, 2019

(X) Embrace the northern goddesses. [???]

Dark as Silver · Feb 25, 2019

So there is canonically a negaverse?

Knight Draco · Feb 25, 2019

(X) Embrace the northern goddesses. [???]

If we join them we can get techs off of them, we can also bring our gods into their religion and make them worship them too, which will make our gods stronger in the long run.

jjffjhjf · Feb 25, 2019

(X) Embrace the northern goddesses. [???]

Knight Draco · Feb 25, 2019

The real quest begins now comrades, everything else was just a prologue.

Random Member · Feb 25, 2019

(X) Resist the foul influence of the mad goddesses [-1 Stability, -1 Legitimacy, ???]

This 'Chosen Comrade' guy has the right of it, I like the cut of his jib!

Oshha · Feb 25, 2019

Dark as Silver said:
So there is canonically a negaverse?

No hence why it is in Apocrypha and not Sidestory.

Marlin · Feb 25, 2019

(X) Resist the foul influence of the mad goddesses [-1 Stability, -1 Legitimacy, ???]

Moon has the right of it, resist the call of Anime. Resist the fluffpocalypse!

Catgirls are perfect in moderation, like in the light novel "Kono sekai ga Game dato Ore dake ga Shitte Iru". Only one catgirl, so far, but the obsession with catgirls is still there, or was it a cat ears obsession?

khang · Feb 25, 2019

Oshha said:
At this point? Yes. When they started doing it? No.

When you say no does it mean like she can not consent simular to how a child could make their own decisions but any kind of consent is of dubious value as they do not have the cognitive ability to make a rational decision. Or is this more a case of asking your computer if it would like some more ram?

Oshha · Feb 25, 2019

khang said:
When you say no does it mean like she can not consent simular to how a child could make their own decisions but any kind of consent is of dubious value as they do not have the cognitive ability to make a rational decision. Or is this more a case of asking your computer if it would like some more ram?

The latter.

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