It's more like, Eru couldn't[1] undo Melkor's work but he could turn it to beauty (heroism in the face of darkness and all that).

[1] As to why he couldn't, he directed the Ainur to create Arda and they fucked it up, so I would argue this is a case of Eru not being fully omnipotent due to giving authority of Arda over to his creations. Kind of like a king going away and leaving a steward in control.
I've always thought of it as Eru telling the Ainur to rock out as they like(appropriate given how many bands draw from Tolkien for inspiration), and only stepping in when it got too garbled and people were going to come to blows. But he wasn't going to make his own tune, he was helping them find their sound.
From the sound of it, Melkor's music was rap music. It even says that it was music that was meant to glorify him, and a sea of turbulent sound. Kudos to Eru for managing to fit that into a melody properly.
 
I've always thought of it as Eru telling the Ainur to rock out as they like(appropriate given how many bands draw from Tolkien for inspiration), and only stepping in when it got too garbled and people were going to come to blows. But he wasn't going to make his own tune, he was helping them find their sound.
From the sound of it, Melkor's music was rap music. It even says that it was music that was meant to glorify him, and a sea of turbulent sound. Kudos to Eru for managing to fit that into a melody properly.
I feel like, given, "When your liver fails without reason? Morgoth. When your shoelace frays and snaps? Morgoth. When a horse throws a leg and needs to be put down? Morgoth. When a baby gets bone cancer? Morgoth. Suffering? Morgoth. Fear? Morgoth. Pain? Morgoth.", this does something of a disservice to rap music.
 
I feel like, given, "When your liver fails without reason? Morgoth. When your shoelace frays and snaps? Morgoth. When a horse throws a leg and needs to be put down? Morgoth. When a baby gets bone cancer? Morgoth. Suffering? Morgoth. Fear? Morgoth. Pain? Morgoth.", this does something of a disservice to rap music.
That's fair. More of an analogy based on the description of it glorifying him and overwhelming others. Sounds like him trying a rap battle with the other Ainur, is my impression.
 
[X] The Men of Sunlight
[X] Life, Unending
[X] Fear, Overcome

[X] Plan Green Shoots of Hope

We don't need unrest right now and having our people pissed at us.
 
[X] The Men of Sunlight

[X] Doom, Unerring


[X] Plan Green Shoots of Hope


We can always build a House of Life and Death and a Temple to Eru later on. This isn't locking us out of having a hospital. It is about accepting that, as Men, as the Third Born, we will die. There is no power that can stop this fact forever. And all attempts to do so will end in pain and tragedy. Mankind was given the gift of a short life in order to better make us or our other gift: the gift to create. Alone, out of all who live on Arda, we can invent and create things that even Eru Allfather has not yet seen. By delving back into the foolish panic of the Home Island, we cripple ourselves and remove ourselves from the world and the Valar.
 
That's fair. More of an analogy based on the description of it glorifying him and overwhelming others. Sounds like him trying a rap battle with the other Ainur, is my impression.
Think less rap, which establishes a tempo and weaves a web of words, particularly meaningful or not they are carefully chosen to fit the meter, around it.

Morgoth's ideas were, "My sound is better and so I shall make any instrument I play louder than the rest of the orchestra such that there is no sound nor echo that does not find its source in Melkor, lyrics about me are better so I will sing constantly about myself and my glory and refuse to allow any fragment of song that does not lead the to the greater glorification of Melkor, and any act or color that is not reminiscent or found in me should be struck down such that there is no vision that does not bring to mind the power of Melkor."

So he was a single actor shouting his own made-up lines as loud as possible while a single tuba roared louder than every other instrument in the orchestra and all while a projector flashed pictures of a single person in an endless succession so bright as to make it impossible to see the performance on stage.

Melkor did not have even the least inkling of rhythm, rhyme, meter, or harmony. What he had was power enough to shout louder than any other Valar, rumble longer and louder than any other Valar, and shine brighter than any other Valar. And then the War of the Powers broke Morgoth at the height of his powers at the dawning of ages.

Also, to cast a vote.
[X] Nothing

We are a city seeking a lasting peace, to stand as a bulwark of Faith and Accord. I'd rather a legend that reflects that more than it does a ranger's ideals.

[X] Fear, Overcome
What stops Numenor from devoting itself to war with Sauron, at this time?
Mostly a lack of interest in doing so. They have already crushed Sauron and sent him packing once before, at this point they are content to let the pitiful servant of Morgoth play at power with his baubles and jewelry. The situation as far as the Numenoreans are concerned is well in hand as none of their major holdings are actually suffering any harm from him, at this point Sauron's forces are a border issue that surely could not threaten any true Numenorean.

However this isn't to say the Numenoreans are resting on their laurels, the efforts of the Numenoreans in building their cities and fortresses while subjugating the men of Middle-Earth is, at least ostensibly, their great effort to prevent Sauron from ever returning to power. Unfortunately for everyone, it is manifesting via slowly conquering the world themselves.

It will take Sauron openly assaulting Numenorean cities and proclaiming himself the King of Men, in direct contest with the title of the Kings of Numenor, for the Numenoreans of the isle to decide enough is enough.
 
[X] The Men of Sunlight
[X] Fear, Overcome
[X] Plan Green Shoots of Hope

Fear itself must be conquered before acceptance can come.
We can't demand enlightenment from the start of either our fellows or ourself.

Baby steps are the name of the game I think.
 
Mostly a lack of interest in doing so. They have already crushed Sauron and sent him packing once before, at this point they are content to let the pitiful servant of Morgoth play at power with his baubles and jewelry. The situation as far as the Numenoreans are concerned is well in hand as none of their major holdings are actually suffering any harm from him, at this point Sauron's forces are a border issue that surely could not threaten any true Numenorean.

However this isn't to say the Numenoreans are resting on their laurels, the efforts of the Numenoreans in building their cities and fortresses while subjugating the men of Middle-Earth is, at least ostensibly, their great effort to prevent Sauron from ever returning to power. Unfortunately for everyone, it is manifesting via slowly conquering the world themselves.

It will take Sauron openly assaulting Numenorean cities and proclaiming himself the King of Men, in direct contest with the title of the Kings of Numenor, for the Numenoreans of the isle to decide enough is enough.
I can only imagine how the elves who remember the First Age feel about that, to know that one has the power to crush a monstrous old foe but can't be bothered to really apply it.
 
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Scheduled vote count started by Telamon on Jan 9, 2022 at 4:55 AM, finished with 91 posts and 48 votes.
 
I think this will not end as well as many consider.

Well, I've done what I could to protect right choice. My conscience is clear. At least we will not stop construction projects.
 
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The die is cast. Snake eyes incoming.
Ah, Minister, you can't roll snake eyes on a single die. A snake has two eyes, you see, so rolling snake eyes would mean rolling one on each of two dice, not one on one die, or two on one die, or even one each on three dice, unless you had a very distinctive snake.
 
So, how is it the Faithful, or Umbar for that matter, didn't preserve the knowledge of these wondrous creations of Numenor OTL, looking at the bit about Umbar?
 
I think this will not end as well as many consider.

Well, I've done what I could to protect the right choice. My conscience is clear. At least we will not stop construction projects.
This just makes you look awfully bitter and risks stirring up pointless arguments with people on the other side of the issue. I get you're frustrated that the vote went against you, but this isn't the way to express that.

Ah, Minister, you can't roll snake eyes on a single die. A snake has two eyes, you see, so rolling snake eyes would mean rolling one on each of two dice, not one on one die, or two on one die, or even one each on three dice, unless you had a very distinctive snake.
Right you are, Vice-Chief Auxiliary Secretary to the Deputy Arch-Advocate of Primary Concerns for the Tertiary Sector. I must've been seeing too many of those mutant snakes.
 
I get you're frustrated that the vote went against you, but this isn't the way to express that.
No, really not. As I said, I've done what I could, I've protected right choice, my conscience is clear.
I just expect this to end wrong.
Well, maybe I am mistaken and this will end right, but I do not put much hope on it.
 
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