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Plan: Prometheus Ascendant is now tied with Plan: Meat, Metal, and the Soul.
Adhoc vote count started by Derpmind on May 26, 2025 at 6:42 PM, finished with 346 posts and 51 votes.
  • [X] Plan: Prometheus Ascendant
    -[X][Idea] Research RP generating techs for both for us, and the Ascendancy so that they can better take care of their own problems and become more capable of helping others. Also more research for enhancing our capabilities in other ways and taking care of Aurora's health. Make Gamefied OMC hopefully really good with additional help from Gwen. More ship-based industrial capacity for our fleet so that we can fairly rapidly spin it up if we stop at a system to do that, as well as lab-ships for more dangerous research away from the Spark and an another sensor ship for a backup and the added flexibility. Help the Vellkar by asking the Ascendancy do it with a boon while making the Ascendancy to be better equipped to do it.
    -[X][Boon][Permanent] Ask the Ascendancy to put more effort into helping the Vellkar in their requests to be able to stand on their own, instead of letting them fall behind. In the long run, an alliance of equals will be stronger and less likely to go sour.
    -[X][Free] Share the blueprint for the "Lénárt Sphere" ship, as well as your research for Collaborative Strategic R&D, Superhuman enhancements, Machine Spirit Hallucinations, Gameified OMC, High-energy Physics with the Ascendancy and the Vellkar after first running them through Victan.
    -[X][Free] Command to all outposts: Help in fortifying the defenses for yourself and the Ascendancy.
    -[X] [Aurora Parenting] You. Write-in how you raise her. Child has an emotional connection to you. Takes one of your actions. Has a +10 modifier given past successes.
    --[X] Write-in: Ask Aurora if she wants to try helping in making the Gameified OMC. See if she might connect over strategy games with Gwen, or Beta testers online when you release the non-military version.
    -[X] 3x Research: 900 RP (600 RP (Vita) + 100 RP (Anexa) + 220 RP (Cogitare) - 20 RP (100 Cogitare on blueprints))
    --[X] Collaborative Strategic R&D (200 RP)
    ---[X] Anexa
    --[X] Superhuman enhancements (150 RP)
    --[X] Machine Spirit Hallucinations (150 RP)
    --[X] Gameified OMC (50 RP)
    --[X] Navigator Medical Care (50 RP)
    --[X] High-energy Physics (200 RP)
    --[X] Basic Psychic Amplification Devices (75 RP)
    --[X] Blueprint: Klein Bottle Warp Science Frigate, 25 RP -> 7 RP (50 Cogitare)
    --[X] Blueprint: Lénárt Sphere Physics Science Frigate, 25 RP -> 7 RP (50 Cogitare)
    --[X] Faith is My Shield? (62/75 RP -> 73/75 RP (11 RP))*overflow
    -[X][Free] Repair Bay (1000 BP):
    --[X] Modules: 28 slots, 25 of which are filled
    --[X] Basic Juvenat Production Facility (250 BP, 50 CP, 1 slot) (refit: 375 BP, 50 CP, 1 slot)
    -[X][Free] [Vita] Construction (33,696 VBP)
    --[X] 3x Fab manufacturing Cruiser (6400 BP, 30 CP, 8 ship construction slots) (produces 414 bp) (19,200 BP, 90 CP, 24 ship construction slots) (produces 1242 bp)
    --[X] 1x Klein Bottle Warp Science Frigate, 15 CP, 6075 BP, 2 ship construction slots
    --[X] 1x Lénárt Sphere Physics Science Frigate, 15 CP, 4175 BP, 2 ship construction slots
    --[X] 1x Searchlight-class Sensor Frigate (3075 BP, 15 CP, 2 ship construction slots)
    --[X] Finish construction for 1x Candle Mk2 Destroyer (1181/1650 -> 1650/1650 void BP) (total cost 469 void BP, 8 CP, 1 ship construction slot)
    --[X] 1x Candle Mk2 destroyer (1650 void BP, 8 CP, 1 ship construction slot)
    --[X] 2x Specter (100 BP, 20 CP) (200 BP, 40 CP)
    --[X] 2x Medium Humanized Machine-spirit Infantry Bots (100 BP, 20 CP) (200 BP, 40 CP)
    --[X] 2x Heavy Machine-spirit humanized Infantry Bots with Machine Spirit Jammers (190 BP, 20 CP) (380 BP, 40 CP)
    --[X] 42x Psyker hoods for our Crew and crew (210 BP)
    --[X] 14x Personal Void Shields for the crew (70 BP)
    --[X] TOTAL: 33,694 BP; 271 CP; 32 ship construction slots
    -[X] [Anexa] Research - assists a research action you take, granting +5xLevel RP to the action. Will level on a successful roll, scaled by the importance of the tech.
    -[X] [Victan] Counterespionage & Alliance-building - Defends against hostile covert action and improves relations with existing allies, as well as gathering information for making new allies. Will only level if something interesting happens.
    -[X] [Cia] Aggressive training - Cia will actively attempt to practice her powers. Roll two d100s. Take the higher roll for determining level-up, but take the lower for perils of the warp. (DCs are unknown but context-dependent. They will get less favorable as she levels.)
    -[X] [Gwen] Write-in: Devote full attention together with her staff to make Gameified OMC as useful as possible. Try to include fake-simulated versions of Psyker powers and other weirder stuff like that.
    -[X] [Aurora] Rest - Aurora will relax and focus on finishing out her mundane education.
    [X] Plan: Meat, Metal, and the Soul
    -[X][Idea] A three pronged push into biotech, cybernetics and psytech. For the former, continue work to make Navigators healthy, then do work on general cosmetic surgery and Juvenat to share with the SA while fixing the Aquaculture plants to improve quality of life for colonists and spacers. For cybernetics, design a OMC interface for the Velkar and produce a Gameified variant to help both humans and Velkar train up on it, while at the same time beginning work on a series of implants that can fit significant computing capabilities within a cyborg, radically improving the capabilities of all. And finally, finish the investigation into the power of Faith whilst also building the first generation of psychic amplification devices along with a new Frigate designed to facilitate the study of the Warp, along with a sister ship for future high energy experiments.
    -[X][Boon] Request the Stellar Ascendancy perform initial scouting on Neighboring worlds of Myrris, Veytharis and Kethraxis, and whatever worlds beyond can be managed safely, and share the reports with Vita.
    -[X][Free] Share the blueprint for the "Lénárt Sphere" ship, as well as your research for Companion Cogitators, Physical Appearance is Skin-Deep, Variety is the Spice of Life, Gameified OMC, Juvenat Beginings and Velkar OMC with both the Ascendancy and the Vellkar after first running them through Victan. (Not a typo; hoping the SA may help the Velkar with OMC set up, and there's at least a small chance the Velkar may have insight on Juvenat/be able to adapt it to themselves)
    -[X][Free] Command to all outposts: Help in fortifying the defenses for yourself and the Ascendancy.
    -[X] [Aurora Parenting] You. Write-in how you raise her. Child has an emotional connection to you. Takes one of your actions. Has a +10 modifier given past successes.
    --[X] Write-in: Ask Aurora if she wants to try helping in making the Gameified OMC. See if she might connect over strategy games with Gwen, or Beta testers online when you release the non-military version.
    -[X] 3x Research: 900 RP (600 RP (Vita) + 100 RP (Anexa) + 220 RP (Cogitare) - 20 RP (100 Cogitare on blueprints))
    --[X] Faith is my shield? (75 RP)(13 remaining)
    --[X] Navigator Medical Care (50 RP)
    --[X] Physical Appearance is Skin-deep (25 RP)
    --[X] Vellkar Organic-Machine Control (200 RP)
    --[X] Companion Cogitators (250 RP) (Anexa)
    --[X] Variety is the Spice of Life (25 RP)
    --[X] Basic Psychic Amplification Devices (75 RP)
    --[X] Gameified OMC (50 RP)
    --[X] Juvenat Beginnings (150 RP)
    --[X] design Klein Bottle Warp Science Frigate, 7 RP
    --[X] design Lénárt Sphere Physics Science Frigate, 7 RP
    --[X] 48 Overflow to Machine Spirit Hallucinations
    -[X][Free] Repair Bay (1000 BP):
    --[X] Modules: 28 slots, 25 of which are filled
    --[X] Basic Juvenat Production Facility (250 BP, 50 CP, 1 slot) (refit: 375 BP, 50 CP, 1 slot)
    -[X][Free] [Vita] Construction (33,696 VBP)
    --[X] 1x Lighter class Manufactory Cruiser (17,100 BP, 300 CP, 32 ship construction slots)
    --[X] Complete partially Constructed Candle Mk2 (1181/1650) (469 BP)
    --[X] 1x Klein Bottle Warp Science Frigate, 15 CP, 6075 BP, 2 ship construction slots (use existing hull to save 900 BP)
    --[X] 1x Lénárt Sphere Physics Science Frigate, 15 CP, 4175 BP, 2 ship construction slots (use existing hull to save 900 BP)
    --[X] 1x Searchlight-class Sensor Frigate (3075 BP, 15 CP, 2 ship construction slots)
    --[X] 1x Medium Shipyard (3000 void BP, 100 CP) 16 Ship construction slots
    --[x] Scrap 2 incomplete destroyer hulls if necessary
    --[X] 2x Specter (100 BP, 20 CP) (200 BP)
    --[X] 2x Medium Humanized Machine-spirit Infantry Bots (100 BP, 20 CP) (200 BP)
    --[X] 2x Heavy Machine-spirit Infantry Bots (150 BP, 20 CP) (300 BP)
    --[X] 3x Seeker Bot (80 BP, 20 CP) (240 BP)
    --[X] 1x Basic Machine-spirit Artillery (450 BP, 5 CP)
    --[X] 42x Psyker hoods for our Crew and crew (210 BP)
    --[X] TOTAL: 33,694 BP; 638 CP; 34 ship construction slots
    -[X] [Anexa] Research - assists a research action you take, granting +5xLevel RP to the action. Will level on a successful roll, scaled by the importance of the tech.
    -[X] [Victan] Counterespionage & Alliance-building - Defends against hostile covert action and improves relations with existing allies, as well as gathering information for making new allies. Will only level if something interesting happens.
    -[X] [Cia] Aggressive training - Cia will actively attempt to practice her powers. Roll two d100s. Take the higher roll for determining level-up, but take the lower for perils of the warp. (DCs are unknown but context-dependent. They will get less favorable as she levels.)
    -[X] [Gwen] Write-in: Devote full attention together with her staff to make Gameified OMC as useful as possible. Try to include fake-simulated versions of Psyker powers and other weirder stuff like that.
    -[X] [Aurora] Rest - Aurora will relax and focus on finishing out her mundane education.
    [X] Plan: Prometheus: Juvenat edition
    -[X] The Big Idea: This is a modification of Meianmaru's plan, aka "All of the RP now please". The big changes are to swap out High Energy Physics for Juvenat Beginnings, with the spare 50 RP is used to get Variety is the Spice of Life and Faith to improve Diplomacy, and just barely falls short of finishing Skin Deep.
    --[X] V2: Standardized to Meianmaru's updated boon, based on Neablis's feedback.
    -[X][Boon][Permanent] Ask the Ascendancy to put more effort into helping the Vellkar in their requests to be able to stand on their own, instead of letting them fall behind. In the long run, an alliance of equals will be stronger and less likely to go sour.
    -[X][Free] Share the blueprint for the "Lénárt Sphere" ship, as well as your research for Collaborative Strategic R&D, Superhuman enhancements, Machine Spirit Hallucinations, Gameified OMC, and Variety is the Spice of Life with SA and Vellkar.
    --[X][Free] Also share Juvenat Beginnings with both after first consulting with Victan. Check with Victan on what findings from Faith is My Shield could be productively shared to improve the SA's diplomacy without causing societal issues.
    -[X][Free] Command to all outposts: Help in fortifying the defenses for yourself and the Ascendancy.
    -[X] [Aurora Parenting] You. Write-in how you raise her. Child has an emotional connection to you. Takes one of your actions. Has a +10 modifier given past successes.
    --[X] Write-in: Ask Aurora if she wants to try helping in making the Gameified OMC. See if she might connect over strategy games with Gwen, or Beta testers online when you release the non-military version.
    -[X] 3x Research: 900 RP (600 RP (Vita) + 100 RP (Anexa) + 220 RP (Cogitare) - 20 RP (100 Cogitare on blueprints))
    --[X] Collaborative Strategic R&D (200 RP)
    ---[X] Anexa
    --[X] Superhuman enhancements (150 RP)
    --[X] Machine Spirit Hallucinations (150 RP)
    --[X] Gameified OMC (50 RP)
    --[X] Streamlined OMC (50 RP)
    --[X] Navigator Medical Care (50 RP)
    --[X] Juvenat Beginnings (150 RP)
    --[X] Variety is the Spice of Life (25/25 RP)
    --[X] Basic Psychic Amplification Devices (75 RP)
    --[X] Faith is My Shield? (62/75 RP -> 75/75 RP) (COMPLETE)
    --[X] Blueprint: Klein Bottle Warp Science Frigate, 25 RP -> 7 RP (50 Cogitare)
    --[X] Blueprint: Lénárt Sphere Physics Science Frigate, 25 RP -> 7 RP (50 Cogitare)
    --[X] Physical Appearance is Skin-deep (23/25 RP) (Overflow)
    -[X][Free] Repair Bay (1000 BP):
    --[X] Modules: 28 slots, 25 of which are filled
    --[X] Basic Juvenat Production Facility (250 BP, 50 CP, 1 slot) (refit: 375 BP, 50 CP, 1 slot)
    -[X][Free] [Vita] Construction (33,696 VBP)
    --[X] 3x Fab manufacturing Cruiser (6400 BP, 30 CP, 8 ship construction slots) (produces 414 bp) (19,200 BP, 90 CP, 24 ship construction slots) (produces 1242 bp)
    --[X] 1x Klein Bottle Warp Science Frigate, 15 CP, 6075 BP, 2 ship construction slots
    --[X] 1x Lénárt Sphere Physics Science Frigate, 15 CP, 4175 BP, 2 ship construction slots
    --[X] 1x Searchlight-class Sensor Frigate (3075 BP, 15 CP, 2 ship construction slots)
    --[X] Finish construction for 1x Candle Mk2 Destroyer (1181/1650 -> 1650/1650 void BP) (total cost 469 void BP, 8 CP, 1 ship construction slot)
    --[X] 1x Candle Mk2 destroyer (1650 void BP, 8 CP, 1 ship construction slot)
    --[X] 2x Specter (100 BP, 20 CP) (200 BP, 40 CP)
    --[X] 2x Medium Humanized Machine-spirit Infantry Bots (100 BP, 20 CP) (200 BP, 40 CP)
    --[X] 2x Heavy Machine-spirit humanized Infantry Bots with Machine Spirit Jammers (190 BP, 20 CP) (380 BP, 40 CP)
    --[X] 42x Psyker hoods for our Crew and crew (210 BP)
    --[X] 14x Personal Void Shields for the crew (70 BP)
    --[X] TOTAL: 33,694 BP; 271 CP; 32 ship construction slots
    -[X] [Anexa] Research - assists a research action you take, granting +5xLevel RP to the action. Will level on a successful roll, scaled by the importance of the tech.
    -[X] [Victan] Counterespionage & Alliance-building - Defends against hostile covert action and improves relations with existing allies, as well as gathering information for making new allies. Will only level if something interesting happens.
    -[X] [Cia] Aggressive training - Cia will actively attempt to practice her powers. Roll two d100s. Take the higher roll for determining level-up, but take the lower for perils of the warp. (DCs are unknown but context-dependent. They will get less favorable as she levels.)
    -[X] [Gwen] Write-in: Devote full attention together with her staff to make Gameified OMC as useful as possible. Try to include fake-simulated versions of Psyker powers and other weirder stuff like that.
    -[X] [Aurora] Rest - Aurora will relax and focus on finishing out her mundane education.
    [X] Plan In the Spirit of Efficient Phones
    -[X][Free] Command to all outposts: Help in fortifying the defenses for yourself and the Ascendancy.
    -[X] Voidforge Miners (4250 BP) + Cogitare Manufacturing Command (29690 BP) (33940BP total)
    --[X] convert a frigate hull to a Klein Bottle 5175 BP
    --[X] convert a frigate hull to a Lénárt Sphere 500 BP
    --[X] convert 4 destroyer hulls to Hot Box transports 4180 BP
    --[X] finish the incomplete Candle mk 2 469 BP
    --[X] build 2 Candle mk 2 3300 BP
    --[X] build 1 Searchlight-class Sensor Frigate 3075 BP
    --[X] build 2 Ember Mk2 Novacannon Frigates 8950 BP
    --[X] begin building 1 Lighter class Manufactory Cruiser (7566/17100 BP)
    --[X] bring the Light Machine-spirit tanks up to full strength (150BP)
    --[X] bring the Medium Machine-spirit tanks up to full strength (375BP)
    --[X] 200 BP discretionary fund for Victan
    -[X] Research X 3 (600 RP base + 100 Anexa RP + 220 Anexa staff RP – 20 RP staff design discount = 900 RP)
    --[X] design Klein Bottle Warp Science Frigate, 7 RP (75% staff design discount)
    --[X] design Lénárt Sphere Physics Science Frigate, 7 RP (75% staff design discount)
    --[X] design Hot Box Transport 12 RP
    --[X] Combat Neural Implants (50 RP)
    --[X] Physical Apperance is Skin-deep (25 RP)
    --[X] Navigator Medical Care (50 RP)
    --[X] Juvenat Beginnings (150 RP)
    --[X] Vellkar Organic-Machine Control (200 RP)
    --[X] Smaller Warpaphones (100 RP)
    --[X] Machine Spirit Hallucinations (150 RP)
    --[X] Freedom of Form (150 RP)
    --[X] Faith is my shield? (13 RP)
    -[X] Share the design for the Lénárt Sphere and all completed research this turn with the Vellkar and Stellar Ascendency
    -[X] [free] Go on shore leave to Denva Secundus with the Crew
    -[X] Anexa active action: Research
    --[X] Machine Spirit Hallucinations
    -[X] Victan passive action: Counterespionage & Alliance-building
    -[X] Cia: Aggressive training
    -[X] Gwendolyn: Staff Development
    -[X] Aurora: Rest
    --[X] [Aurora Parenting] Vita
    --[X] With her third eye open and now 15 it's time to share what we know about the warp
    [X][Victan] Keeper of the Covanent
    [X] Plan: Efficient Phones And Superior Firepower
    -[X][Free] Command to all outposts: Help in fortifying the defenses for yourself and the Ascendancy.
    -[X] Voidforge Miners (4250 BP) + Cogitare Manufacturing Command (29690 BP) (33940BP total)
    --[X] convert a frigate hull to a Klein Bottle 5175 BP
    --[X] convert a frigate hull to a Lénárt Sphere 500 BP
    --[X] convert 4 destroyer hulls to Hot Box transports 4180 BP
    --[X] finish the incomplete Candle mk 2 469 BP
    --[X] build 2 Candle mk 2 3300 BP
    --[X] build 1 Searchlight-class Sensor Frigate 3075 BP
    --[X] build 2 Ember Mk2 Novacannon Frigates 8950 BP
    --[X] begin building 1 Lighter class Manufactory Cruiser (7566/17100 BP)
    --[X] bring the Light Machine-spirit tanks up to full strength (150BP)
    --[X] bring the Medium Machine-spirit tanks up to full strength (375BP)
    --[X] 200 BP discretionary fund for Victan
    -[X] Research X 3 (600 RP base + 100 Anexa RP + 220 Anexa staff RP – 20 RP staff design discount = 900 RP)
    --[X] design Klein Bottle Warp Science Frigate, 7 RP (75% staff design discount)
    --[X] design Lénárt Sphere Physics Science Frigate, 7 RP (75% staff design discount)
    --[X] design Hot Box Transport 12 RP
    --[X] Help Cia's Training (50 RP)
    --[X] Physical Apperance is Skin-deep (25 RP)
    --[X] Navigator Medical Care (50 RP)
    --[X] Juvenat Beginnings (150 RP)
    --[X] Vellkar Organic-Machine Control (200 RP)
    --[X] Smaller Warpaphones (100 RP)
    --[X] Machine Spirit Hallucinations (150 RP)
    --[X] Freedom of Form (150 RP)
    --[X] Faith is my shield? (13 RP)
    -[X] Share the design for the Lénárt Sphere and all completed research this turn with the Vellkar and Stellar Ascendency
    -[X] [free] Go on shore leave to Denva Secundus with the Crew
    -[X] Anexa active action: Research
    --[X] Machine Spirit Hallucinations
    -[X] Victan passive action: Counterespionage & Alliance-building
    -[X] Cia: Aggressive training
    -[X] Gwendolyn: Staff Development
    -[X] Aurora: Rest
    --[X] With her third eye open and now 15 it's time to share what we know about the warp
    [X][Victan] Diplomat by any Means
    [X] Plan: Prometheus Ascendant and Cogitare Training
    -[X][Idea] A version of plan Prometheus Ascendant which drops research on High-Energy Physics that won't produce anything useful before we leave next turn anyway to instead maximize the increase of our Cogitare and create an organization to make sure their recruitment and training continues to stay maximized.
    -[X][Free] Share the blueprint for the "Lénárt Sphere" ship, as well as your research for Collaborative Strategic R&D, Superhuman enhancements, Machine Spirit Hallucinations, Gameified OMC, High-energy Physics with the Ascendancy and the Vellkar after first running them through Victan.
    -[X][Free] Command to all outposts: Help in fortifying the defenses for yourself and the Ascendancy.
    -[X] [Boon] Denva: Specialized Crew (300 Cogitare with a focus on teaching)
    -[X] Diplomacy/Subversion: Talk to people. (Write-in goal & method)
    --[X] Establish the Cogitare Training Command aboard the first Enkindler-class Educational Light Cruiser produced by the Cogitare Manufacturing Command.
    --[X] The newly recruited Cogitare (see boon spent above) will serve as initial staff.
    --[X] The CTC will offer free enrollment to anyone interested in joining our Cogitare, up to 10,000 students at a time.
    --[X] The CTC's first order will be to take their Enkindler and Incindiaries to The Volcano Academy at Calderath with the next Ascendancy fleet headed in that direction.
    ---[X] They will take copies of all Volcano Academy lesson plans.
    ---[X] They will perform a personnel transfer, swapping 50 of their own Cogitare for 50 Volcano Academy teachers accustomed to the new non-apprenticeship system.
    ---[X] They will then stop by Vorthryn to visit The Auric Burden, drop off copies of the lesson plans, and exchange 25 of the Volcano Academy professors for 25 of the local Cogitare.
    ---[X] They will then return to Denva and begin full classes using the new teaching system.
    --[X] The goal is to have CTC Classes using the new larger-scale teaching plans running in all three systems, training Cogitare for us.
    -[X] [Aurora Parenting] You. Write-in how you raise her. Child has an emotional connection to you. Takes one of your actions. Has a +10 modifier given past successes.
    --[X] Write-in: Ask Aurora if she wants to try helping in making the Gameified OMC. See if she might connect over strategy games with Gwen, or Beta testers online when you release the non-military version.
    -[X] 3x Research: 700 RP (400 RP (Vita) + 100 RP (Anexa) + 220 RP (Cogitare) - 20 RP (100 Cogitare on blueprints))
    --[X] Collaborative Strategic R&D (200 RP)
    ---[X] Anexa
    --[X] Superhuman enhancements (150 RP)
    --[X] Machine Spirit Hallucinations (150 RP)
    --[X] Gameified OMC (50 RP)
    --[X] Navigator Medical Care (50 RP)
    --[X] Basic Psychic Amplification Devices (75 RP)
    --[X] Blueprint: Klein Bottle Warp Science Frigate, 25 RP -> 7 RP (50 Cogitare)
    --[X] Blueprint: Lénárt Sphere Physics Science Frigate, 25 RP -> 7 RP (50 Cogitare)
    --[X] Faith is My Shield? (62/75 RP -> 73/75 RP (11 RP))*overflow
    -[X][Free] Repair Bay (1000 BP):
    --[X] Modules: 28 slots, 25 of which are filled
    --[X] Basic Juvenat Production Facility (250 BP, 50 CP, 1 slot) (refit: 375 BP, 50 CP, 1 slot)
    -[X][Free] [Vita] Construction (33,696 VBP)
    --[X] 3x Fab manufacturing Cruiser (6400 BP, 30 CP, 8 ship construction slots) (produces 414 bp) (19,200 BP, 90 CP, 24 ship construction slots) (produces 1242 bp)
    --[X] 1x Klein Bottle Warp Science Frigate, 15 CP, 6075 BP, 2 ship construction slots
    --[X] 1x Lénárt Sphere Physics Science Frigate, 15 CP, 4175 BP, 2 ship construction slots
    --[X] 1x Searchlight-class Sensor Frigate (3075 BP, 15 CP, 2 ship construction slots)
    --[X] Finish construction for 1x Candle Mk2 Destroyer (1181/1650 -> 1650/1650 void BP) (total cost 469 void BP, 8 CP, 1 ship construction slot)
    --[X] 1x Candle Mk2 destroyer (1650 void BP, 8 CP, 1 ship construction slot)
    --[X] 2x Specter (100 BP, 20 CP) (200 BP, 40 CP)
    --[X] 2x Medium Humanized Machine-spirit Infantry Bots (100 BP, 20 CP) (200 BP, 40 CP)
    --[X] 2x Heavy Machine-spirit humanized Infantry Bots with Machine Spirit Jammers (190 BP, 20 CP) (380 BP, 40 CP)
    --[X] 42x Psyker hoods for our Crew and crew (210 BP)
    --[X] 14x Personal Void Shields for the crew (70 BP)
    --[X] TOTAL: 33,694 BP; 271 CP; 32 ship construction slots
    -[X] [Anexa] Research - assists a research action you take, granting +5xLevel RP to the action. Will level on a successful roll, scaled by the importance of the tech.
    -[X] [Victan] Counterespionage & Alliance-building - Defends against hostile covert action and improves relations with existing allies, as well as gathering information for making new allies. Will only level if something interesting happens.
    -[X] [Cia] Aggressive training - Cia will actively attempt to practice her powers. Roll two d100s. Take the higher roll for determining level-up, but take the lower for perils of the warp. (DCs are unknown but context-dependent. They will get less favorable as she levels.)
    -[X] [Gwen] Write-in: Devote full attention together with her staff to make Gameified OMC as useful as possible. Try to include fake-simulated versions of Psyker powers and other weirder stuff like that.
    -[X] [Aurora] Rest - Aurora will relax and focus on finishing out her mundane education.
    [X] Plan Educational Expansion
    -[X] The Big Idea: Finish raising Aurora, unlock a bunch of quality-of-life techs and the prereqs for building a warpaphone ship, establish a dedicated organization for training new Cogitare and send it to ensure all our Cogitare are using the improved training system developed at The Volcano Academy.
    -[X] [Aurora Parenting] You. Write-in how you raise her. Child has an emotional connection to you. Takes one of your actions. Has a +10 modifier given past successes.
    -[X] [Boon] Denva: Specialized Crew (300 Cogitare with a focus on teaching)
    -[X] Diplomacy/Subversion: Talk to people. (Write-in goal & method)
    --[X] Establish the Cogitare Training Command aboard the first Enkindler-class Educational Light Cruiser produced by the Cogitare Manufacturing Command.
    --[X] The newly recruited Cogitare (see boon spent above) will serve as initial staff.
    --[X] The CTC will offer free enrollment to anyone interested in joining our Cogitare, up to 10,000 students at a time.
    --[X] The CTC's first order will be to take their Enkindler and Incindiaries to The Volcano Academy at Calderath with the next Ascendancy fleet headed in that direction.
    ---[X] They will take copies of all Volcano Academy lesson plans.
    ---[X] They will perform a personnel transfer, swapping 50 of their own Cogitare for 50 Volcano Academy teachers accustomed to the new non-apprenticeship system.
    ---[X] They will then stop by Vorthryn to visit The Auric Burden, drop off copies of the lesson plans, and exchange 25 of the Volcano Academy professors for 25 of the local Cogitare.
    ---[X] They will then return to Denva and begin full classes using the new teaching system.
    --[X] The goal is to have CTC Classes using the new larger-scale teaching plans running in all three systems, training Cogitare for us.
    -[X] 2x Research: 720 RP (400 RP + Cogitare (220 RP) + Anexa (100 RP))
    --[X] Faith is my shield? (62 -> 75/75 = 13 RP)
    --[X] Navigator Medical Care (50 RP)
    --[X] Variety is the Spice of Life (25 RP)
    --[X] Advanced organ replacements (50 RP)
    --[X] Gameified OMC (50 RP)
    --[X] Physical Appearance is Skin-deep (25 RP)
    --[X] Mobile Warpaphones (225 RP)
    --[X] Advanced Large-scale Machine spirits (100 RP)
    --[X] Collaborative Design Frameworks (100 RP)
    --[X] Design: Uplift Campus (50 RP Discounted to 13 RP)
    ---[X] 50 Cogitare Assigned, Cost Quartered (-10 RP)
    --[X] Design: Enkindler-class Educational Light Cruiser (37 RP Discounted to 10 RP)
    --[X] Design: Incendiary-class Novacannon Light Cruiser (37 RP Discounted to 10 RP)
    -[X] Free Action: Share all techs and designs researched this turn with the Ascendancy.
    --[X] Improved Passive Stealth (0 -> 19/50 = 19 RP)
    -[X] CMC Construction: VBP total 33,446 --- 31/64 ship construction slots
    --[X] x1 Enkindler-class Educational Light Cruiser (10,045 BP, 35 CP, 8 Ship Construction Slots)
    ---[X] Turn this over to the incoming staff of the Cogitare Training Command to serve as their primary headquarters.
    --[X] x2 Incendiary-class Novacannon Light Cruiser ( 19,800 BP, 60 CP, 16 Ship Construction Slots)
    ---[X] Turn this over to the incoming staff of the Cogitare Training Command to provide security for their headquarters.
    --[X] Build psychic hoods for all our psykers (42 Psykers = 210 BP)
    --[X] Build 28 more MS Manufactories on Denva Primus (-3,360 BP)
    [X][Victan] Delay
    [X] Plan: Meat, Metal, the Soul, and Cogitare Training
    -[X][Idea] A version of Meat, Metal, and the Soul which drops the 200 RP / 3rd Research action spent on Vellkar OMC to instead massively invest in Cogitare training to make sure we'll have plenty of agents which can be assigned to things like producing free RP / BP for us, running scouting operations, building bases, etc in a way that won't require spending enormous amounts of political good-will begging other people to do it for us. The Vellkar can wait for OMC tech, the fact that they're relatively poor compared to the Ascendancy is not an actual problem.
    -[X][Free] Share the blueprint for the "Lénárt Sphere" ship, as well as your research for Companion Cogitators, Physical Appearance is Skin-Deep, Variety is the Spice of Life, Gameified OMC, and Juvenat Beginings with both the Ascendancy and the Vellkar after first running them through Victan. (Not a typo; there's at least a small chance the Velkar may have insight on Juvenat/be able to adapt it to themselves)
    -[X][Free] Command to all outposts: Help in fortifying the defenses for yourself and the Ascendancy.
    -[X] [Aurora Parenting] You. Write-in how you raise her. Child has an emotional connection to you. Takes one of your actions. Has a +10 modifier given past successes.
    --[X] Write-in: Ask Aurora if she wants to try helping in making the Gameified OMC. See if she might connect over strategy games with Gwen, or Beta testers online when you release the non-military version.
    -[X] [Boon] Denva: Specialized Crew (300 Cogitare with a focus on teaching)
    -[X] Diplomacy/Subversion: Talk to people. (Write-in goal & method)
    --[X] Establish the Cogitare Training Command aboard the first Enkindler-class Educational Light Cruiser produced by the Cogitare Manufacturing Command.
    --[X] The newly recruited Cogitare (see boon spent above) will serve as initial staff.
    --[X] The CTC will offer free enrollment to anyone interested in joining our Cogitare, up to 10,000 students at a time.
    --[X] The CTC's first order will be to take their Enkindler and Incindiaries to The Volcano Academy at Calderath with the next Ascendancy fleet headed in that direction.
    ---[X] They will take copies of all Volcano Academy lesson plans.
    ---[X] They will perform a personnel transfer, swapping 50 of their own Cogitare for 50 Volcano Academy teachers accustomed to the new non-apprenticeship system.
    ---[X] They will then stop by Vorthryn to visit The Auric Burden, drop off copies of the lesson plans, and exchange 25 of the Volcano Academy professors for 25 of the local Cogitare.
    ---[X] They will then return to Denva and begin full classes using the new teaching system.
    --[X] The goal is to have CTC Classes using the new larger-scale teaching plans running in all three systems, training Cogitare for us.
    -[X] 3x Research: 700 RP (400 RP (Vita) + 100 RP (Anexa) + 220 RP (Cogitare) - 20 RP (100 Cogitare on blueprints))
    --[X] Faith is my shield? (75 RP)(13 remaining)
    --[X] Navigator Medical Care (50 RP)
    --[X] Physical Appearance is Skin-deep (25 RP)
    --[X] Companion Cogitators (250 RP) (Anexa)
    --[X] Variety is the Spice of Life (25 RP)
    --[X] Basic Psychic Amplification Devices (75 RP)
    --[X] Gameified OMC (50 RP)
    --[X] Juvenat Beginnings (150 RP)
    --[X] design Klein Bottle Warp Science Frigate, 7 RP
    --[X] design Lénárt Sphere Physics Science Frigate, 7 RP
    --[X] 48 Overflow to Machine Spirit Hallucinations
    -[X][Free] Repair Bay (1000 BP):
    --[X] Modules: 28 slots, 25 of which are filled
    --[X] Basic Juvenat Production Facility (250 BP, 50 CP, 1 slot) (refit: 375 BP, 50 CP, 1 slot)
    -[X][Free] [Vita] Construction (33,696 VBP)
    --[X] 1x Lighter class Manufactory Cruiser (17,100 BP, 300 CP, 32 ship construction slots)
    --[X] Complete partially Constructed Candle Mk2 (1181/1650) (469 BP)
    --[X] 1x Klein Bottle Warp Science Frigate, 15 CP, 6075 BP, 2 ship construction slots (use existing hull to save 900 BP)
    --[X] 1x Lénárt Sphere Physics Science Frigate, 15 CP, 4175 BP, 2 ship construction slots (use existing hull to save 900 BP)
    --[X] 1x Searchlight-class Sensor Frigate (3075 BP, 15 CP, 2 ship construction slots)
    --[X] 1x Medium Shipyard (3000 void BP, 100 CP) 16 Ship construction slots
    --[x] Scrap 2 incomplete destroyer hulls if necessary
    --[X] 2x Specter (100 BP, 20 CP) (200 BP)
    --[X] 2x Medium Humanized Machine-spirit Infantry Bots (100 BP, 20 CP) (200 BP)
    --[X] 2x Heavy Machine-spirit Infantry Bots (150 BP, 20 CP) (300 BP)
    --[X] 3x Seeker Bot (80 BP, 20 CP) (240 BP)
    --[X] 1x Basic Machine-spirit Artillery (450 BP, 5 CP)
    --[X] 42x Psyker hoods for our Crew and crew (210 BP)
    --[X] TOTAL: 33,694 BP; 638 CP; 34 ship construction slots
    -[X] [Anexa] Research - assists a research action you take, granting +5xLevel RP to the action. Will level on a successful roll, scaled by the importance of the tech.
    -[X] [Victan] Counterespionage & Alliance-building - Defends against hostile covert action and improves relations with existing allies, as well as gathering information for making new allies. Will only level if something interesting happens.
    -[X] [Cia] Aggressive training - Cia will actively attempt to practice her powers. Roll two d100s. Take the higher roll for determining level-up, but take the lower for perils of the warp. (DCs are unknown but context-dependent. They will get less favorable as she levels.)
    -[X] [Gwen] Write-in: Devote full attention together with her staff to make Gameified OMC as useful as possible. Try to include fake-simulated versions of Psyker powers and other weirder stuff like that.
    -[X] [Aurora] Rest - Aurora will relax and focus on finishing out her mundane education.
    [X][Victan] Lord of Whispers
    [X] Victan: Keeper of the Covenant
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-[] Collaborative Strategic R&D (200 RP) You've built tools to enable multiple teams to work together, but it's still hard to communicate discoveries to people in adjacent fields. Fixing that would enable the integration of an entire research ecosystem. (Further increases size of research team before RP/turn limit is reached, especially for many teams working on different topics. Will significantly boost research organizations comprised entirely of organics.)
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-[] Machine Spirit Hallucinations (150 RP) Your new machine spirits are capable of incredible creativity when you push them to solve impossible problems. A lot of it is silly and impossible, but buried within the morass are occasional nuggets of gold. Every good idea starts as a bad idea, so let's generate more ideas. (Improves the number of RP you get per action, though not by a huge amount. May unlock more research to further improve this number).
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My read of this is that Collaborative Strategic R&D will have a significantly large boost to Denvan research and our RP, while Machine Spirit Hallucinations will only give us a decent amount of additional RP. And even if I'm wrong and both give us the same amount of RP, the former will have a far larger boost to Devnan research, while the latter might not boost their research much or at all.

I very much believe that between these two, Anexa will have the largest impact on the former.
 
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My read of this is that Collaborative Strategic R&D will have a significantly large boost to Denvan research and our RP, while Machine Spirit Hallucinations will only give us a decent amount of additional RP. And even if I'm wrong and both give us the same amount of RP, the former will have a far larger boost to Devnan research, while the latter might not boost their research much or at all.

I very much believe that between these two, Anexa will have the largest impact on the former.
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IIRC MSH is the end of the line for what it does, however, and the ballparked yield on crit Neablis gave us way back was 30-50 RP/action; something that indicates to me that how hard it crits matters.

CSR&D meanwhile will have more stuff of its ilk after we get companion cogitators - what we roll there isn't what we're left with.

Anyways, MSH is... well, an idea generator? Kinda? I don't see why humans wouldn't also be able to use it, it just functions mechanically on a per action basis for Vita. That's my reasoning, anyways.
 
Prime 2.0 said:
Anyways, MSH is... well, an idea generator? Kinda? I don't see why humans wouldn't also be able to use it, it just functions mechanically on a per action basis for Vita. That's my reasoning, anyways.
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Most of our RP comes from Vita directly, or from people working with Vita and her massive research abilities. Unless explicitly stated to help 'normal' research, my assumption is that MSH is another research-boosting option that relies on Vita to work.

Besides, the whole point of the Prometheus plan is to boost Devna's R&D, and only CSR&D outright states that it does that.
 
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Most of our RP comes from Vita directly, or from people working with Vita and her massive research abilities. Unless explicitly stated to help 'normal' research, my assumption is that MSH is another research-boosting option that relies on Vita to work.

Besides, the whole point of the Prometheus plan is to boost Devna's R&D, and only CSR&D outright states that it does that.
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Ehhh. Just because there aren't stated mechanics for MSH that scale off of Cogitare staff doesn't mean it requires Vita to work, and its predecessors were used by Cogitare during their development, but we could always ask?

Hey @Neablis, is MSH something that Denva and others can use, or can only Vita use it?
 
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Hey @Neablis, is MSH something that Denva and others can use, or can only Vita use it?
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Hmmm. My read on things is that CCRnD is more powerful if we want to spend less research actions, as well as being at least slightly more powerful due to having a limitation. That is, having trained researchers/Cogitare working for you instead of just plugging in a Machine Spirit into an Artificial Intelligence. Or having researchers/Cogitare use the MS for research.

One you can (probably) make very cheaply from a factory line, the other requires tens of years of dedicated training. And for us at least, for upwards of hundreds of people. For the Ascendancy, even more.

@Neablis am I right or even about-ish right on MS Hallucinations vs Colllaborative CRnD benefits?
 
meianmaru said:
Hmmm. My read on things is that CCRnD is more powerful if we want to spend less research actions, as well as being at least slightly more powerful due to having a limitation. That is, having trained researchers/Cogitare working for you instead of just plugging in a Machine Spirit into an Artificial Intelligence. Or having researchers/Cogitare use the MS for research.

One you can (probably) make very cheaply from a factory line, the other requires tens of years of dedicated training. And for us at least, for upwards of hundreds of people. For the Ascendancy, even more.

@Neablis am I right or even about-ish right on MS Hallucinations vs Colllaborative CRnD benefits?
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Oh, by all means, I do expect SCR&D to be more valuable to Denva than MSH. I just... you know, expect us to be able to continue iterating on SCR&D, while IIRC Neablis said we won't get to keep iterating on MSH, so I want to get the best version of it.

As for "more powerful if we spend less actions", yeah, that is the essential implication of their mechanics. One scales on staff, the other on AP. Just how it is.
 
[X] Plan: Meat, Metal, and the Soul
[X] Plan: Prometheus Ascendant
[X] Plan: Prometheus: Juvenat edition

Have to say I really like the Boon for the Vellkar as it's permanent…
Edit: I get the reasoning… so last minute change….
 
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[X] Plan: Meat, Metal, and the Soul
[X] Plan: Prometheus: Juvenat edition

Have to say I really like the Boon for the Vellkar as it's permanent…
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Can I still convince you to approval vote for my plan in that case? We can complete the juvenat later (and its follow-ups) with the increased RP generation and drop it by with the greater movement speed.
 
meianmaru said:
Can I still convince you to approval vote for my plan in that case? We can complete the juvenat later (and its follow-ups) with the increased RP generation and drop it by with the greater movement speed.
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I maintain that we should finish Juvenat before we leave. We'll have the opportunity to do it if we don't have to do a diplo action prior to departure, but still.

That said, I still really want that RP...
 
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Fast enough for what? It's not like there's a cutoff.
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Fast enough for them to be at all relevant in the Ascendancy. Growth is going to be exponential. If the Denvans wait for a century or two the Velkar are going to be little more than a oddity in a mostly human polity since they cannot expand as fast and they do not have the economic power to matter in the grand scheme of things.
 
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Fast enough for them to be at all relevant in the Ascendancy. Growth is going to be exponential. If the Denvans wait for a century or two the Velkar are going to be little more than a oddity in a mostly human polity since they cannot expand as fast and they do not have the economic power to matter in the grand scheme of things.
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If this stopped at OMC, you'd have a point, but it doesn't - that very same SA is going to keep investing in them with this boon, per Neablis.

Not that OMC on its own would have bridged that gap anyways.
 
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My point is it doesn't matter where they stop if they drag their feet starting and then do it slowly.
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It will do what the quest master says it will do.
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A permanent one will be constant investment - it won't be a big priority of the Stellar Ascendency to help out, but it will be a sustained one. It might take them three times longer to finish Vellkar OMC, but once that's done they'll keep going.

The one that will shift the relationship the most is the permanent one, but it'll tame time.
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There is nothing to debate. Getting rid of that "drag their feet to keep them down" attitude is the explicit, direct point, and that is what it shall do. The help which follows from this goes beyond OMC - it is a permanent shift to the relationship, which is the actual thing we should be after. I mean, Unless you're up for constantly evening the playing field ourselves with our RP while the SA continues business as usual.

I'm not.
 
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[X] Plan: Prometheus Ascendant
[X] Plan: Prometheus: Juvenat edition

I've been an advocate of RP boosters for a while now, so I'm very happy we are finally going for it. Hopefully with the expanded budget we will be able to get more research done.
 
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There is nothing to debate. Getting rid of that "drag their feet to keep them down" attitude is the explicit, direct point, and that is what it shall do. The help which follows from this goes beyond OMC - it is a permanent shift to the relationship, which is the actual thing we should be after. I mean, Unless you're up for constantly evening the playing field ourselves with our RP while the SA continues business as usual.

I'm not.
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See I'm less optimistic than you. I think the current state vis a vis researching for the Velkar is 'do nothing' and the favor will advance them to feet dragging. That is still a permanent shift even if it doesn't go as far as I'd like and I'm hoping that starting them off at a higher baseline with Velkar OMC will change that by making more studies into the matter broadly profitable.
 
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See I'm less optimistic than you. I think the current state vis a vis researching for the Velkar is 'do nothing' and the favor will advance them to feet dragging. That is still a permanent shift even if it doesn't go as far as I'd like and I'm hoping that starting them off at a higher baseline with Velkar OMC will change that by making more studies into the matter broadly profitable.
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Ultimately, the fundamental inequity is from population - fewer people to become researchers, fewer people to become OMC operators even once they have it. The Vellkar were pre-industrial tribals a century ago, and no tech short of alien cloning + cradle facilities is going to change that, and that comes with its own host of issues.

Making the relationship with their sister planet more of a "rising tides raise all boats" equitable one is the next best thing. Them not having OMC is just a symptom of the relationship having fell short of that.

Well, that and the fucking chaos warband, as usual, but that goes without saying really. Point is, to keep the Vellkar from being left behind we'd need to do a social intervention boon like this regardless of what research we directly do for their benefit - we can judge if more intervention is necessary once we see the immediate effects.
 
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Hey @Neablis, is MSH something that Denva and others can use, or can only Vita use it?
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@Neablis am I right or even about-ish right on MS Hallucinations vs Colllaborative CRnD benefits?
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Both of these are asking the question of what these techs do, and if others can use them. MS hallucinations is using machine spirits to spit out creative solutions to problems. That's a useful part of the scientific process, but it's certainly not the whole thing. Similarly, Collaborative R&D is about letting more people work together more efficiently on a problem. You know what this means in terms of mechanics for Vita, the question is if they'll work for anybody else.

And of course, the answer is yes, and the details are below abstraction because I'm not giving you mechanics for other people's research. There's some stuff under the hood that you could probably guess at - MS hallucinations boosts diverse research projects more, collaborative R&D will boost focused research more, but those are not really that important to you.

If you want a metric for about how much in aggregate, it's pretty correlated with the research cost, though rolls are probably a bigger player.

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See I'm less optimistic than you. I think the current state vis a vis researching for the Velkar is 'do nothing' and the favor will advance them to feet dragging. That is still a permanent shift even if it doesn't go as far as I'd like and I'm hoping that starting them off at a higher baseline with Velkar OMC will change that by making more studies into the matter broadly profitable.
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Making the relationship with their sister planet more of a "rising tides raise all boats" equitable one is the next best thing. Them not having OMC is just a symptom of the relationship having fell short of that.
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As with many things, there's going to be a roll to determine how well such a boon goes. On the worse end there's a Denvan research NGO that's billed as a charity and is like "We must help these poor backwards aliens aspire to the heights of civilization we have reached," and then is paternalistic and inefficient in a way that the Vellkar accept but resent. On the higher end, it'll be more of a societal shift in Denva where various organizations realize how much benefit it would be to have the Vellkar as equal partners and work to get them there.
 
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As with many things, there's going to be a roll to determine how well such a boon goes. On the worse end there's a Denvan research NGO that's billed as a charity and is like "We must help these poor backwards aliens aspire to the heights of civilization we have reached," and then is paternalistic and inefficient in a way that the Vellkar accept but resent. On the higher end, it'll be more of a societal shift in Denva where various organizations realize how much benefit it would be to have the Vellkar as equal partners and work to get them there.
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@Neablis, is this a roll Victan can be directly assigned to or is he automatically covering for it with his passive? Meian seemed to think it was the latter, but I figured I'd check.
 
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And Improved Reasoning Capacity seems very tasty for a next target for ever larger RP gains.
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-[] Superhuman Uppers (75 RP) Pushing beyond the realm of what's normally possible for the human body is a recipie for disaster - unless you design the drugs right. (Unlocks drugs to boost human mental and physical characterstics beyond norms. Includes basic psytech drugs. Half of unlocking further psytech drugs).

This also seems like a tech that should help and synergize amazingly with superhuman enhancement on top of giving a boost to our psykers. It's relatively cheap for what it does and it being so good makes sense considering it was a bonus tech unlocked by a crit early on that we never got around too.
 
Sara said:
-[] Superhuman Uppers (75 RP) Pushing beyond the realm of what's normally possible for the human body is a recipie for disaster - unless you design the drugs right. (Unlocks drugs to boost human mental and physical characterstics beyond norms. Includes basic psytech drugs. Half of unlocking further psytech drugs).

This also seems like a tech that should help and synergize amazingly with superhuman enhancement on top of giving a boost to our psykers. It's relatively cheap for what it does and it being so good makes sense considering it was a bonus tech unlocked by a crit early on that we never got around too.
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I've been considering it for later, probably together with some cybernetic implants (organ replacement techs) that might synergize by the organ producing the drugs, maybe?
 
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