Well America seemed to have downtoned Li Shuwen's INVICIBLE BAJIQUAN BEST PUNCHING EVER

Since he draws with Mashu and with Beowulf whose fighting is sheer instinct

Then again its not like you need a 'Detect' skill to block his blows given Nero Tamamo and Emiya could do it
 
Well America seemed to have downtoned Li Shuwen's INVICIBLE BAJIQUAN BEST PUNCHING EVER

Since he draws with Mashu and with Beowulf whose fighting is sheer instinct

Then again its not like you need a 'Detect' skill to block his blows given Nero Tamamo and Emiya could do it
You can't no-second-strike a shield.
 
Well America seemed to have downtoned Li Shuwen's INVICIBLE BAJIQUAN BEST PUNCHING EVER

Since he draws with Mashu and with Beowulf whose fighting is sheer instinct

Then again its not like you need a 'Detect' skill to block his blows given Nero Tamamo and Emiya could do it
Honestly I was shocked he beat beowulf considering their stat differentials and Beowulf being someone experienced in hand to hand, albeit against monsters. Even then, it's extremely impressive a 19th century Chinaman can out fist an age of gods king.

Also worth nothing that Li didn't use no second strike against Mashu.
He also didn't use it against Beowulf. He used his tiger style which is what he uses as Zerker ala he used pure smashing blows and he still came out on top.
 
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Honestly I was shocked he beat beowulf considering their stat differentials and Beowulf being someone experienced in hand to hand, albeit against monsters. Even then, it's extremely impressive a 19th century Chinaman can out fist an age of gods king.

Also worth nothing that Li didn't use no second strike against Mashu.
He also didn't use it against Beowulf. He used his tiger style which is what he uses as Zerker ala he used pure smashing blows and he still came out on top.
Ahem

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It's weird, but I feel not even the slightest hint of pity or disappointment when a Grand Order Servant gets its ass kicked in its area of specialty by a non-Grand Order Servant. It feels like the universe coming back into balance.
 
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It's weird, but I feel not even the slightest hint of pity or disappointment when a Grand Order Servant gets its ass kicked in its area of specialty by a non-Grand Order Servant. It feels like the universe coming back into balance.

Point Li Shuwen's Martial Art is strictly Anti Human so it makes sense in a Conceptual Level sorta?
 
Honestly I was shocked he beat beowulf considering their stat differentials and Beowulf being someone experienced in hand to hand, albeit against monsters. Even then, it's extremely impressive a 19th century Chinaman can out fist an age of gods king.

Also worth nothing that Li didn't use no second strike against Mashu.
He also didn't use it against Beowulf. He used his tiger style which is what he uses as Zerker ala he used pure smashing blows and he still came out on top.
P sure Shuwen talks about it. Even though Beo is physically superior, he knows how to fight beasts, not men. And doesn't use much technique either.
Meanwhile Shuwen is the grand master of martial arts meant to fight humans.
It was a terrible matchup.

Medb's wish just twisted Cu, it didn't make one from thin air. Where did Cu come from who knows, but you could ask the same about every other Servant. It's a Grail War, Servants just happen.

In other words, stats are complete and utter bullshit.
No that's you being dumb. This is not DBZ.
 
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It's weird, but I feel not even the slightest hint of pity or disappointment when a Grand Order Servant gets its ass kicked in its area of specialty by a non-Grand Order Servant. It feels like the universe coming back into balance.
Normally I'd agree, but Li Shuwen is so absurdly fucking overwanked its really no longer even remotely amusing.
 
I dunno, the guy who completely mastered "Fuck-your-shit-up Fu" vs the guy who bearhugs bears, I can see the martial arts guy winning pretty easily.
 
I dunno, the guy who completely mastered "Fuck-your-shit-up Fu" vs the guy who bearhugs bears, I can see the martial arts guy winning pretty easily.
Thats the thing, though. Saying he mastered kung fu verses the hubdreds of guys more worthy of the title is rediculous.

Which, ya know, means King Fu is apparently one of the most terrifying forces on the planet, if Li Shuwen is our benchmark of mastery. Reminder he's actually famous for his rediculous skills with a spear. He's not a legend amongst legends with his fists, just quite good.
 
And yet somehow, I can't bring myself to care.
Which is actually kinda funny, since Fate/Extra really isnt that much better then Grand Order, at the end of the day.

Well, suppose its a pity we dont have Lu Bu in another class. Id love to know if Chibese Martial Arts are just universally the same power or if older is, in fact, better.
 
Which is actually kinda funny, since Fate/Extra really isnt that much better then Grand Order, at the end of the day.

Well, suppose its a pity we dont have Lu Bu in another class. Id love to know if Chibese Martial Arts are just universally the same power or if older is, in fact, better.
Considering Li Shuwen has an A+++ on liuhe Quan, and A+++ is supposedly an "unseen of" tier rank, I don't imagine Lu Bu or most anyone would have as much skill as Li in Chinese martial arts.
 
I don't think I properly appreciated how fucking huge Darius is before now. Judging by the in-game sprite, he's taller than Herc.
 
Considering Li Shuwen has an A+++ on liuhe Quan, and A+++ is supposedly an "unseen of" tier rank, I don't imagine Lu Bu or most anyone would have as much skill as Li in Chinese martial arts.
... It honestly should be immediately apparent why that shouldnt be the case, given how derivitive Li Shuwen's work actually was. Lu Bu was one of the martial artists of the age, to the point where his other abilities are outright glossed over.

As I said, Li Shuwen is given a hilarious amount of credit. At first it was kinda funny and given who the pcs in extra were, made sense. Now its starting to get annoying.
 
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