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That that Bedivere is from the same timeline as the Lion King rather than a parallel one? That is the main difference I see between your description and his.
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Well, Bedivere is from a parallel timeline to the one that Grand Order takes place in, since Arturia isn't still alive in the present day.
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Oh I get his post now.
Well, yeah, both are from the same parallel timeline, but neither are from the Singularity. The Lion King goes there by herself and Bedivere is sent by Merlin from Avalon.
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Never intended to imply otherwise, even if I could have worded it better. Still, pinetree got my meaning so, eh, all's fine in the world, I suppose?
Was it properly explained how Goddess Rhongomyniad/Arturia materialized in the Camelot singularity? Did she summon herself or was it just an effect of the singularity itself?
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She did it herself to enact her plan. Holmes is the one who says it IIRC.
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She's right to worry; Skin Cancer is serious!Rin I don't think this is what Archer meant when he asked you to help Shirou avoid the same path
Archer's shift to brown skin and white hair were caused by overuse of Shirou's magic circuits, yeah?
Whatever happened to make Amakusa Shirou change that way?
Whatever happened to make Amakusa Shirou change that way?
Vanargand
So tired.....
Spent years on deserts and whatnot searching for Semiramis' catalysts
Would that bleach his hair?
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That'd be age I imagine.
I hadn't considered that, since he looks so youthful still, but fair enough.
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Amakusa Shirou looks the way he does purely for the misdirect as to his actual identity. The explanation is he spent way too long in the desert sun, which is obviously nonsensical but suffices as a handwave.
So inspired by an earlier notion of @ZerbanDaGreat 's here's a scenario for consideration, a cross Light Novel - Anime Servant Swap. What if the Servants summoned in Fate Zero were replaced by the most compatible fitting ones from Fate/Apocrypha?
It's the opening night of the Fourth Holy Grail War and everyone is summoning their Servants in a cool montage. Kiritsugu says the words and in the circle a figure from myth appears -
Only its not the Dragon King of Britain but the Dragon Slayer of Europe, Siegfried. Plus side this hero's even more of a living weapon/beat-stick than Arturia, downside he may decide to kill himself by shoving his heart into someone.
Kariya clenches his teeth through the pain of being eaten alive and calls forth a weapon to seize victory in the war, save Sakura and destroy Tokiomi Tohsaka. He gets an Catgirl Archer from the Age of the Gods who shares his passion for saving children and his inclination to self destruct in despair/rage.
Ryuunosuke does what a serial killer does and kills people with a side order of trying to summon a demon for kicks. He promptly starts screaming about COOL when he calls up his "senior/idol" Jack the Ripper who is literally a soul eating demon.
Kayneth El-Melloi has all his ducks in a row, his fiance will power the servant leaving him free to unleash his high quality magical might on the other Masters. His plans are somewhat derailed by summoning an India Demigod clad in gold with the wonderful combination of [Discernment of the Poor] and a razor sharp tongue.
Waver Velvet draws a circle of blood while thinking "I'll show them. I'll show them all!" probably getting on someones watch list in the process. Within the circle appears a nigh invincible green haired battle maniac who is ready to kick some folks teeth in.
Kirei Kotomine wonders what the hell is wrong with his life as normal. The situation is not helped by him having a dramatic dick for a Caster in Shakespeare who makes expansive hand gestures and quotes his own work constantly.
Tokiomi Tohsaka stands tall, his goatee groomed, his power gathered and his bearing the picture of noble authority. His eye starts twitching when a muscle bound madman appears before him and starts bellowing about oppressors.
How does the ensuing war unfold?
It's the opening night of the Fourth Holy Grail War and everyone is summoning their Servants in a cool montage. Kiritsugu says the words and in the circle a figure from myth appears -
Only its not the Dragon King of Britain but the Dragon Slayer of Europe, Siegfried. Plus side this hero's even more of a living weapon/beat-stick than Arturia, downside he may decide to kill himself by shoving his heart into someone.
Kariya clenches his teeth through the pain of being eaten alive and calls forth a weapon to seize victory in the war, save Sakura and destroy Tokiomi Tohsaka. He gets an Catgirl Archer from the Age of the Gods who shares his passion for saving children and his inclination to self destruct in despair/rage.
Ryuunosuke does what a serial killer does and kills people with a side order of trying to summon a demon for kicks. He promptly starts screaming about COOL when he calls up his "senior/idol" Jack the Ripper who is literally a soul eating demon.
Kayneth El-Melloi has all his ducks in a row, his fiance will power the servant leaving him free to unleash his high quality magical might on the other Masters. His plans are somewhat derailed by summoning an India Demigod clad in gold with the wonderful combination of [Discernment of the Poor] and a razor sharp tongue.
Waver Velvet draws a circle of blood while thinking "I'll show them. I'll show them all!" probably getting on someones watch list in the process. Within the circle appears a nigh invincible green haired battle maniac who is ready to kick some folks teeth in.
Kirei Kotomine wonders what the hell is wrong with his life as normal. The situation is not helped by him having a dramatic dick for a Caster in Shakespeare who makes expansive hand gestures and quotes his own work constantly.
Tokiomi Tohsaka stands tall, his goatee groomed, his power gathered and his bearing the picture of noble authority. His eye starts twitching when a muscle bound madman appears before him and starts bellowing about oppressors.
How does the ensuing war unfold?
GilliamYaeger
M'crazy.
There's actually fanart of this team and it's adorable. Honestly, without the big kaiju threat of Gilles' Noble Phantasm the two of them might actually win the war - if only by virtue of not really caring about it in favor of murdering muggles while the other six participants kill each other. If the last Servant standing is female, or if the last two Servants score a mutual kill, then that's it. Between Jack's presence concealment/information erasure wombo combo and their shared ignorance/apathy regarding the War, they probably won't be discovered until the very end, when either the Grail appears in front of them or the last man standing realizes that Assassin never showed up. And knowing Ryuunosuke, by that point he'd have connected with Jack enough that his wish would be for her to find her mommy instead of something horrific. Which would probably end with a lot of dead women.
...well, unless he realizes that they both get a wish. In which case, Jack probably gets to stick around and the body count will keep climbing forever. Angra Mainyu is pleased.
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Congratulations, Kayneth, you have won the war. All it cost you was your ego being torn to shreds and hung out to dry.
...is what I'd like to say but for my complete disbelief that there will ever be a single Grail War scenario where Karna appears and is not forced to job.
More seriously...
Starting with the obvious cases, Kiritsugu and Kayneth starts in pretty much the same circumstances as in canon, permitting the same initial strategies, and their Servants are not ones to show initiative and brow-beat their Masters onto a different course. Siegfried fighting Karna to a standstill unless he employs VS means that ultimately, this part of the conflict will have the same resolution as the books - KFC, aka Kayneth Fried Circuits. That said, Sola-Ui will probably act more responsible, and Karna's loyalty has a bit different flavour from Diarmuid's (far less romantic notions, for one) so this team still has a shot.
All others can go too many ways for me to comment on without further consideration. Though, from a narrative standpoint, another thing that makes a lot of sense is Siegfried giving his heart to Shirou during the climactic fire, thus providing the set up for an eventual sequel, saddling Shirou with a hero complex of a slightly different nature, and giving him an alternate method of surviving some suicidal decisions.
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Tokiomi definitely has little chance of making it to the end on account of being an opressor. Invincibility Trio are pretty much the frontrunners here; Jack is stymied by this being a sausagefest, Shakespeare doesn't have the firepower needed, and Atlanta's okay but not Invincibility Trio.
(This doesn't take into account varying situations in the inevitable cluster fuck)
(This doesn't take into account varying situations in the inevitable cluster fuck)
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So... Sieg 2: Electric Boogaloo, but actually good?
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That holds the implication of Shirou summoning Frankenstain's Monster in the Fifth War, which... might kinda actually work...? By that point, he is closer to something created by breathing a new life into the corpse of the boy who had burned in the fire 10 years ago than being that boy himself, which resonates with Fran a bit. Tendency to question their life's worth and insecurities about the meaning of their continued existence also help with establishing a common ground for the reasoning behind such a compatibility summoning.
Hmm? We have seen Raiga before, and the design I see here (first appearance on page 5) matches that. If you meant someone else, can you please specify?
Jack and Ryuunosoke are all set to be a problem yep. Interesting points to consider: in canon Apocrypha Assassin had to feed indiscriminately because her Master was a literal muggle with no ability to supply her with prana. I think that as coming from a Magus bloodline Ryuunsoke could provide Jack with more energy, so they be acting somewhat more subtle than Giles canon rampage.
Actually between Kirei not having a army of Assassin's to act as city wide scouts, Ryuunosoke being a serial killer whose killings have already been reported and Jack not likely to think Saber is her long lost love Team Assassin could fly under the radar for a bit longer than canon. Of course Jack's out of her depth the moment someone actually fights her.
The only Servant she would have a real shot at taking down one on one is Archer due to her being a woman and her having a soft spot towards children.
Karna ends up being Kayneth and Sola's marriage counselor. He forces Kayneth to confront the fact that Sola resents the arranged nature of their relationship and then forces Sola to acknowledge that Kayneth does love her and would give up anything to keep her safe.
I did think of the Shirou gets a Servant heart thing but well another idea occurs. Siegfried canonically donates his heart to give a doomed artificial human a shot at life, what happens if he after figures out that Irisviel's days are numbered he decides to help her out by giving her his heart.
The effect of the transplant on Sieg in canon reinforced his body and allowed it to potentially survive far beyond its built in expiration date. Would such a transfer allow Iri to survive beyond the Grail's manifestation?
Because if that's true then well a lot of domino's fall differently, Kiritsugu is confronted by an act of selfless heroism he can't mock or find fault in, Iri is now bluff and can transform into a Servant. That could throw things just slightly out of whack.
Honestly I'm wondering if Kariya and Waver could team up in this scenario. Archer isn't a mindless killing machine and can actually offer her master advice on how to proceed. Given that along with her and Achilles's compatibility in canon it won't be a stretch for her to go
"Hey Master, Rider's master is a novice in over his head, who already has Lancer's Master out for his blood and is an outsider so the Tohsaka and Einzbern are going to want him gone yes?"
"Sounds about right, where are you going with this?"
"Someone like that has to be desperate for allies and we could use the extra firepower. Perhaps we should consider an alliance."
And just like that Waver & Kariya become a major power in the war.
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I really doubt that. Iri is the Lesser Grail and is intended to be the channel through which the infinite magical energy of the Root is delivered to the wishmaker. I kinda doubt that having a dragon's constitution will help much with surviving that unless she completes Heaven's Feel in the process.
Also, the heart does nothing to protect either Fafnir or Siegfried himself from the curse of the Rhinegold. I highly doubt that he would bet on the third time being the charm. Of course, this assumes that he becomes aware of what the Grail is actually made of, which is unlikely. Still, even without that awareness, it would be thematically appropriate for the cycle to continue, with the dragon kinda getting his gold back but being doomed by it.
And finally, such a twist does not really make much sense from a character point of view. Iri has a purpose, and she believes in it. Her ideals and character are established (though admittedly still malleable), and they are even in line with Siegfried's own. So, her character arc does not get much out of inheriting Siegfried's heart. Shirou being in that role, meanwhile, would be thematically appropriate, I'd even say powerful as an "inheritance of a dying will" kind of scenario. Siegfried has the best compatibility with canon Shirou for good reason, after all.
Certainly. Achilles will be all for that the moment he recognizes Atalanta. And seeing as she is one of the Servants who actually have a decent shot at taking him down one-on-one, yeah, this alliance can be seen as reasonable from her point of view as well.
Good points, I cede to your argument. Dragon Heart! Shirou taking part in the Fifth Holy Grail then. That should be fun.
Once I've worked out what the Fourth War amounts to and what else changes from canon. I'll try and do a Fate Stay Night scenario using the same gimmick, swapping in the most fitting servants.
So if the Fourth War is primarily Servants of Red with a single Servant of Black mixed in then the Fifth War should be primarily Servants of Black with a Single Servant of Red mixed in.
This take on Shirou summoning Berserker of Black is an interesting notion, I'm all for it.
Hmm I wonder how that would end? My mind jumped to Waver smuggling Sakura out of the country under the cover of the war's final act as a way to honor a departed Kariya but that's just one scenario.