For -0102 I'm against taking their resources and turning them into a client; the system rightfully belongs to them - they just haven't managed advanced space flight. That's not an invitation for us to move in on them.
[ ] To aim to establish a fleet base to support civillian mining operations.
[ ] To conduct long duration studies of the populated planet - to work out what is going on there.
I'd also like to survey the various anomalies, honestly.
I'm also not in favor of just moving into the system with (apparent) pre-space age folks and taking it over just because we can. No faster way to make a bunch of people resent us for denying them the stars. They have some orbital structures which might be simple/primitive spacesations and satellites a la the ISS and GPS but we can't be sure without a closer survey.
MongTrav core rulebook, I actually don't know which version you're using or what splats you're bringing in so I could easily be off base. I suppose at a minimum you're using High Guard but I don't think it added new weapons.
We're using 1ed mongoose core, high guard and trillion credit squadron. It says in uhhh the opening post I think? (and a few bits backported from 2ed mongoose).
High guard added barbettes as a concept, torpedoes, large bays, new missile variants, railguns, meson flickers, black globe generators, spinal weapons and a whole bunch of other stuff. TCS added mass driver spinal weapons, plasma guns and... I think that's it?
I'm also not in favor of just moving into the system with (apparent) pre-space age folks and taking it over just because we can. No faster way to make a bunch of people resent us for denying them the stars. They have some orbital structures which might be simple/primitive spacesations and satellites a la the ISS and GPS but we can't be sure without a closer survey.
If they were recent, surely the locals would have been contactable or at least have evidence of launch infrastructure?
It sounds more like leftovers from initial colonisation and that anyone left is no longer capable of spaceflight or maybe even radio communication.
For -0102 I'm against taking their resources and turning them into a client; the system rightfully belongs to them - they just haven't managed advanced space flight. That's not an invitation for us to move in on them.
My bet is that they suffered some kind of apocalyptic catastrophe. Hence the "limited evidence of orbital infrastructure", which they can no longer access.
EDIT: Also, self-interested it may be, I want to offer the people in Nova Refugio a hand. As it stands they're going to die out within a few generations. We should see if they'd like to be evacuated as refugees to Home, or if they'd accept integration into our state.
[X] Plan: A Step Outward
-[X] To aim to establish a fleet base to support civillian mining operations.
-[X] To conduct long duration studies of the populated planet - to work out what is going on there.
-[X] To gain refuelling rights in the system.
Both HSWS Aditi and HSWS Tishtaya are off course upon arrival in -0202, scattered seemingly at random around the inner system, although both arrive within minutes of each other. […] HSWS Aditi and HSWS Tishtaya arrive in -0102, again both scattered.
I wonder what happened there? It might be the quirk inherent to multiple ships jumping with drop tanks. If so, we'll need to remember that when we operate in hostile territories.
OK, if I read that right it means more than 90% water with dense atmosphere that's not breathable at lower altitudes, this means there might be not as much real estate and population over there. Of course, more detailed surveys should follow.
EDIT: Also, self-interested it may be, I want to offer the people in Nova Refugio a hand. As it stands they're going to die out within a few generations.
Oh, that's an interesting approach. It makes sense to move them Home (pun intended) and build-up their system. There are asteroid belts there for mining, so I assume repeating the design from Deep Home works fine?
As for the unknown oceanic planet, I wonder whether it would be desirable to observe it whilst remaining hiding? On that note, do we know what is needed to survey the anomalies? Are our current Interstellar Surveyors up to the task? If not, we might be thinking of refitting them for more specialized 'follow-up surveys' tasks.
I'll note that I want to approach the unknown oceanic planet differently than S'taxu and Xyri. The latter are in our direct core, we want them folded within our empire. The former, I'm content with us just cutting a deal to build those guys a starport, for those sweet tariffs, and yards, to expand our shipbuilding potential.
In terms of priorities, I think Nova Refugio is currently the most pressing.
Imperialism is a cult, and I already belong to one, thanks
[X] OPLAN: Dawn Patrol
-[X] To aim to establish a fueling operation for outgoing Naval missions. (in 02:02)
-[X] To aim to support a civilian outpost in the sector. (in 02:02)
-[X] To survey and assess the anomalous body in the system. (In 01:02 and Nova Refugio)
-[X] To survey and assess the anomalous body in the system. (In 01:02 and Nova Refugio)
-[X] Write-in: Establish long-term "hands off" studies of the unknown populations on 01:02's inhabited world, with an absolute bar on any kind of contact-once they establish space flight, leave a first contact beacon and retreat until we receive a response.
-[X] Write-in: Establish a diplomatic presence on Nova Refugio, but make no aims or demands at this time; we must build trust. With the success of Operation Southern View, we at the Multispectrum Warfare Office have noted a worrying trend from within our fellows of the Service and the representatives of the Citizen's Council: a drive for Empire. Already, ideas of descending on the pre-spaceflight world in sector 01:02 and the frightened enclave at Nova Refugio and enfolding them in the fist of imperialism have caught on; the upper crust of Home already speak joyously of wealth to be gained, with no regard for the cost to us or to these new and distant worlds. Is this what we are to become? Have we learned nothing from the losses in S'taxu? The purpose of the Space Warfare Service is to guard Home and its People while expanding our knowledge of the universe that surrounds us-not to conquer the galaxy. The program we propose is inspired primarily by our initial first contact operations in Xyri and S'taxu, before the loss of the Heimdall. We must begin with establishing a naval port and civilian colonies in the uninhabited but resource-rich sector 02:02, both for the expansion of our spacefleet operations and the promise that should some unknown foe strike Home, or the conflict in S'taxu spread "eastward", the People will endure. Secondly, we must examine the anomalous bodies present in both Nova Refugio and sector 01:02-we must be sure that neither system contains a hidden threat. Finally, we must approach both the pre-space planet in 01:02-hereafter Site Roanoke-and Nova Refugio with extreme care. The Novans' extreme paranoia and fear of enemies from outside the system could be crucial human intelligence of some threat still beyond the Service's patrol borders, which we must be prepared for at all possible speed. As for Site Roanoke, we must not play the "spacer's burden", or worse, gods come down from the stars. Rather, all of our observations of their world must be as hands-off and stealthy as possible, and abandoned as soon as the Roanoke population achieves functional space flight, marked only by a first contact beacon akin to the one which sparked our Xyrian alliance. To do otherwise violates all the high moral standards of military and exploratory conduct to which we hold our officers and spacers. As an advanced civilization, it falls to us to repudiate the mistakes and outrages of past societies, and forge something entirely new.
-0202?
[X] To aim to establish a fuelling operation for outgoing Naval missions. -0102?
[X] To conduct long duration studies of the populated planet - to work out what is going on there.
[X] To survey and assess the anomalous body in the system. Nova Refugio?
[X] To survey and assess the anomalous body in the system.
[X] To gain refuelling rights in the system.
-[X] In the long term offer these people relocation to Home and/or bargain for the right to establish a station in their system.
This time around OPLAN: Dawn Patrol is alright, except for doing nothing on Nova Refugio. Remember that we can't reach -0102 without our tanker. If he had refuelling rights in Nova Refugio we could earmark it for another expedition on the northern borders instead.
[X] Operation Southern Reach
-[X] What would the Navy like from -0202?
--[X] To aim to establish a fuelling operation for outgoing Naval missions.
--[X] To scan the surrounding skies at range, looking for the radio emissions given off by settled worlds.
-[X] What would the Navy like from -0102?
--[X] To conduct long duration studies of the populated planet - to work out what is going on there.
--[X] To survey and assess the anomalous body in the system.
-[X] What would the Navy like from Nova Refugio?
--[X] To survey and assess the anomalous body in the system.
--[X] To determine the origin of the settlers there, and the reason for their presence in the system.
--[X] To provide a shipment of humanitarian aid items that their industrial base is too small to produce natively.
This is basically a lot of what Dawn Patrol is saying, but I wanna gather information about the systems immediately surrounding the southern cluster before we send civilians there. A base in (-02, 02) is long way from Home for our civilian shipping industry, and it might be dangerous for mining if, say, the people on Nova Refugio were running from something in that direction.
This is basically a lot of what Dawn Patrol is saying, but I wanna gather information about the systems immediately surrounding the southern cluster before we send civilians there.
That observation data should be available to us already, but the map in the update doesn't show it. Unless you mean staging another scouting mission in Nova Refugio and scouting their nearby hexes?
-0201 isn't very interesting but we didn't want it to be. -0102 looks like asteroid miner heaven, possibly with a dead or regressed colony. Nova Refugio seems.. sad, but promising. Are they just paranoid or do they have good reason to worry about attack?
My bet is that they suffered some kind of apocalyptic catastrophe. Hence the "limited evidence of orbital infrastructure", which they can no longer access.
Something to keep in mind: it may be that Nova Refugio and the -1020 civilization were connected, and were both attacked by some hostile party. It would explain why Nova Refugio was immediately hostile/fearful during first contact.
If a hostile part was involved, they may still be around. We should tread carefully here.
This time around OPLAN: Dawn Patrol is alright, except for doing nothing on Nova Refugio. Remember that we can't reach -0102 without our tanker. If he had refuelling rights in Nova Refugio we could earmark it for another expedition on the northern borders instead.
Fair point, but I feel like we can get refueling rights after we make sure the Novans don't think we're gonna blast them for not doing so. I feel like they need time to get used to us?
Yeah, pretty much. I just wanna peek over the horizon with our scanners to see if there's anything around before giving the okay for civilian commerce.
How were the Interstellar Cruisers crews handling the extended operation?
We weren't informed of the results of the survey?
Do we have observation data from neighbouring hexes to those that we explored? What does "D" above Nova Refugio mean?
On that note, do we know what is needed to survey the anomalies? Are our current Interstellar Surveyors up to the task?
1) It sucked, it stank, and it's gross. But they did it.
2) Lots of yummy minerals that the navy doesn't care about except that they can fund business which are taxed.
3) No, everyone was looking down, not up. The D is the capabilities of their 'space port', or what passes for them.
4) The IS will do fine, but they could use a minor refit generally speaking.
Something to keep in mind: it may be that Nova Refugio and the -1020 civilization were connected, and were both attacked by some hostile party. It would explain why Nova Refugio was immediately hostile/fearful during first contact.
Fair point, but I feel like we can get refueling rights after we make sure the Novans don't think we're gonna blast them for not doing so. I feel like they need time to get used to us?
Let's use the language of trade. We're got an entire planet worth of stuff, including medicines, luxuries, entertaiment, offers to resettle to Home. We can afford to be generous. Especially since Nova Refugio is of strategic importance to us and we won't be allowed to just leave these guys alone and not put our station over there at some point.
Yeah, pretty much. I just wanna peek over the horizon with our scanners to see if there's anything around before giving the okay for civilian commerce.
That will extend the tour significantly. I think TFSV got a good look around the local cluster, but spending a month looking out will add literal months to the operations.
That will extend the tour significantly. I think TFSV got a good look around the local cluster, but spending a month looking out will add literal months to the operations.
Could we perhaps include information such as "mineral survey of one hex takes this much time", "gathering astronomic data from nearby hex takes this much time" to the ship profiles? It would make it easier to write out detailed mission plans without guessing the durations.
Could we perhaps include information such as "mineral survey of one hex takes this much time", "gathering astronomic data from nearby hex takes this much time" to the ship profiles? It would make it easier to write out detailed mission plans without guessing the durations.
Worth considering doing some refits to make our ships more suitable for long-haul missions like this, if we're going to be doing more of them (and I think we will, if we're operating a couple jumps from home). Mianly in making the crew conditions more livable/comfortable.
Unfortunately that might mean the Lancer has to drop the marine complement to something smaller just to avoid overcrowding...
[X] Plan: A Step Outward
-[X] To aim to establish a fleet base to support civillian mining operations.
-[X] To conduct long duration studies of the populated planet - to work out what is going on there.
-[X] To gain refuelling rights in the system.
