Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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The fact that anyone would have that geneology is surprising to the level of miraclous.
There probably were others, before the Hui burned down all the records, there might be fragments here and there, but the changes of anyone finding something like this are remote to non existent.
Where we not only know there are records of Leiäs works, we even know who has them.
I have no idea why you would think that. We know at least the Meng survived since the time of the Weilu for example, and I think we know of another ES clan that also did? We know Lei's work is a Meng-only available secret (and only the best of the Meng), and likely things like Tsu Geneaologies are also "high end secret of a count clan". There is absolutely no reason to abscribe it a "completely lost" status except for the sake of making an argument to vote for it.

If anything, the only reason to ascribe real rarity to the Tsu genealogy, imo, is that it is a choice of it or Lei's work, which means that it is at least as rare/precious. It would be like if someone in five thousands years were getting "Complete stitching Techniques from Grandmistress Shenhua" and "Genealogy of the house of Guo" choice, imo.
 
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I think it's fairly clear that Grandmistress Lei married into the Meng and thus bequeathed her works to the Meng. So we know for a fact that at least one additional compilation of her works exists. We have no such guarantee with respect to the Tsu genealogy. It is also extremely unlikely that we'd gain access to another remotely useful Tsu genealogy in time to assist us with the current mission if we don't take advantage of it now. And make no mistake, after her impassioned public speech before the Court, Ling Qi's credibility in the eyes of both Duchess Cai Shenhua and the Emerald Seas nobility is riding on the success of this mission. OTOH, if Grandmistress Lei's works should ever become important to Ling Qi's success at some point in the future, even if the Meng refuse to trade for them, she could always invoke her patron Grinning Moon and steal them from the Meng, which would make for an intriguing adventure all on its own.
 
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I have no idea why you would think that. We know at least the Meng survived since the time of the Weilu for example, and I think we know of another ES clan that also did? We know Lei's work is a Meng-only available secret (and only the best of the Meng), and likely things like Tsu Geneaologies are also "high end secret of a count clan". There is absolutely no reason to abscribe it a "completely lost" status except for the sake of making an argument to vote for it.

If anything, the only reason to ascribe real rarity to the Tsu genealogy, imo, is that it is a choice of it or Lei's work, which means that it is at least as rare/precious. It would be like if someone in five thousands years were getting "Complete stitching Techniques from Grandmistress Shenhua" and "Genealogy of the house of Guo" choice, imo.
We know who has Lei's works, we have no information on who, if anyone, would have the Tsu geneology.
Tsu were Weilu predecessors, i think, that means old as fuck, way beyond Lei's works, lot more time for thingsto get lost, and less reason to keep them secret (just a list of who married, or gave birth to, whom is not a major secret the same way arts are).

Also, just because we have pick between two things does not mean both are equally valuable, or valuable in the same way, rarity does not necessarily add to the value.
 
I think it's fairly clear that Grandmistress Lei married into the Meng and thus bequeathed her works to the Meng. So we know for a fact that at least one additional compilation of her works exists. We have no such guarantee with respect to the Tsu genealogy. It is also extremely unlikely that we'd gain access to another remotely useful Tsu genealogy in time to assist us with the current mission if we don't take advantage of it now. And make no mistake, after her impassioned public speech before the Court, Ling Qi's credibility in the eyes of both Duchess Cai Shenhua and the Emerald Seas nobility is riding on the success of this mission. OTOH, if Grandmistress Lei's works should ever become important to Ling Qi's success at some point in the future, even if the Meng refuse to trade for them, she could always invoke her patron Grinning Moon and steal them from the Meng, which would make for an intriguing adventure all on its own.

The Meng archives would almost certainly crush us like a bug. They would have Violet/Prism level formations guarding them. Additionally there's no particular reason to think that the Ice Ladies care in the least about the Weilu (we look Weilu as all get out when fighting, including using Weilu Arts and Elsa didn't care in the least about that). The genealogies would be useful for convincing the empire to go along with our idea but we already did that.

Both of these treasures would be utterly fascinating to look at but neither seems particularly immediately applicable.
 
If there were recounting's on the shelve's about the ice boy they might know him and give the meeting a shot holding more weight to it.
I don't believe theres history for Lei other than the music which i'd imagine would be uncanny to them, I believe it'd smell like something fishy happened to her from them if we don't provide info on her besides hearsay.
 
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The Meng archives would almost certainly crush us like a bug. They would have Violet/Prism level formations guarding them. Additionally there's no particular reason to think that the Ice Ladies care in the least about the Weilu (we look Weilu as all get out when fighting, including using Weilu Arts and Elsa didn't care in the least about that). The genealogies would be useful for convincing the empire to go along with our idea but we already did that.

Both of these treasures would be utterly fascinating to look at but neither seems particularly immediately applicable.
Seems unlikely that they have prism level formations. They are a count clan, which means their elder is at least violet, and prism is very unlikely. The formations are usually done by the patriach which is usually a realm below the elder, by one of his peers in the clan, or by lower level cultivator. This means they ae most likely indigo, violet at most and possibly even high cyan. Still not something we can breach(for now) but not that far either


Also, Lei is likely be connected to the ice ladies in music as well as she seems connected to Zeqing. This similiarity, especially with cultivators for which music is more than art, is another powerful connection to use
 
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i am kinda sad that exquisite hairpin got lost in dreaming zone.

Random cultivator with messy hair dozing off in class: Zzzzz... *hairpin goes bonk!* huh?! whuh?!

Other classmates stare at the priceless artifact, proceeds to nap en mass.

Cultivator teacher proceeds to headbang the podium.
 
The Meng archives would almost certainly crush us like a bug. They would have Violet/Prism level formations guarding them.

There is always a way in. When a direct approach isn't possible, an indirect approach must be utilized. If you can't pick the lock, steal or "borrow" a key. The Grinning Moon smiles on tricksters.

Additionally there's no particular reason to think that the Ice Ladies care in the least about the Weilu (we look Weilu as all get out when fighting, including using Weilu Arts and Elsa didn't care in the least about that). The genealogies would be useful for convincing the empire to go along with our idea but we already did that.

Convincing the Duchess to give Ling Qi a shot is not the same thing as establishing a durable foundation upon which to build an alliance. Those naysayers are still there, ready to tear Ling Qi and her goal down at first opportunity.

And it's not just the "Weilu" we're talking about, it's Tsu the Diviner himself, one of the Empire's legendary ancestors. Given the power level he achieved, his presence in a lineage would certainly be a big deal to White Sky too. There's the story of Tsu's granddaughter marrying the son of the Queen of the Frozen Sky. And then there's the odd reaction of the peak 3rd realm woman to Ling Qi's introduction, something about lineage and loss, and the woman being very angry, that Ling Qi didn't understand. When a representative of the group you want to form an alliance with gets angry and starts talking about lineage and loss that's a big tipoff that lineage may be highly relevant to the mission.

Heck, a complete enough Accounting of the Tsu would likely even include a copy of the ancient Compact between Tsu the Diviner and the Mountain Folk, and that would be a very big deal, as that agreement formed the basis of their alliance against the Cloud Tribes.

Both of these treasures would be utterly fascinating to look at but neither seems particularly immediately applicable.

I firmly disagree. The Tsu Geneaology and Accounting is most definitely applicable to the current mission for the reasons given above.
 
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They are a count clan, which means their elder is at least violet, and prism is very unlikely. The formations are usually done by the patriach which is usually a realm below the elder, by one of his peers in the clan, or by lower level cultivator. This means they ae most likely indigo, violet at most and possibly even high cyan. Still not something we can breach(for now) but not that far either
You are mixing terms here. Matriarch/Patriarch is the person with the highest cultivation in the clan. Their peers are called Ancestors and the generation below them are the Elders. The one who runs the show is the clan head.
 
[X] A corner of the room which rings with phantom song, instruments lay strewn across the floor in disarray, and on its side is a fallen shelf, from which spill folios of pages marked with archaic musical notation and scattered strips of carved green jade. One title catches your eye. Collected Works of the Grandmistress Lei.
 
[X] A corner of the room which rings with phantom song, instruments lay strewn across the floor in disarray, and on its side is a fallen shelf, from which spill folios of pages marked with archaic musical notation and scattered strips of carved green jade. One title catches your eye. Collected Works of the Grandmistress Lei.
 
Sect Promotional: Somnolent Seas Sect
Introduction:
The Somnolent Seas Sect offers welcome to all young scholars who wish to ponder the mysteries of the world within its halls. Located in the high mountains at the center of the Living Isle, just below the great peak which holds the House of the Sleeping Serpent, the Sect has every amenity which the Savage Seas province can provide. The Sect is a place of contemplation, meditation and learning where experts of many fields come together to discuss their theories and craft new works.

However, a Sect must have its specialties, and the Somnolent Seas is most well known for its advances in Astronomy and related fields of formationcraft and navigation. There is no ship whose journey is safer and more secure than one which has a Somnolent Seas navigator. Similarly our ship builders are without match in the empire and beyond, regardless of the frivolous claims made by certain parties.

The Somnolent Seas Sect focuses upon that which is the most important, the mind. The Sect's lessons are primarily in teaching disciples to how to think and contemplate well, before delving into practical pursuits without proper preparation. All disciples are required to complete courses on natural philosophy and rhetoric, to ground their theories and convince others of their validity.

Graduates of the Somnolent Seas Sect will easily find positions in whichever field they choose, and those who achieve the highest standards may earn dispensation from Duke Xu to enter the House of the Sleeping Serpent, the right to join the greatest researchers of the Empire in contemplation of the world's secrets amidst the Sublime dreams of the Living Isle.

History:
The Somnolent Seas Sect has existed in one form or another since the early days of the empire. A number of the Hermit King's line were gathered upon the peaks shortly after the Isle passed into slumber and were took of roles as caretakers of the slumbering serpent resting on the highest peak. The highest peaks of the isle are not stone or soil, but the shell of an Ancestor, carved only with the coaxing and consent of their descendants. So mighty a fortress as this could not help but become important.

In time the Xuan moved their most precious artifacts and libraries into its halls, one clutch hold at a time, this was the origin of the House of the Sleeping Serpent. With so much knowledge gathered in one place, scholars soon followed, and the Dukes of the time formed traditions, ceremonies and tests for entry as learned men and women from across the empire trickled in, seeking to immerse themselves in the sublime library.

Over time, many important grandmasters arose here, bringing prestige and honor to the Savage Seas when they chose to remain often adopted or married into the Xuan clan, but still the tests were strict, and the applicants remained relatively few. Under Duke Xu in alignment with the policies of Emperor An the Somnolent Seas Sect was organized from among those who lived in the shadow of the House, scholars and students who had not yet earned their place, and headed by members of the House in good standing, graciously sacrificing their own research time to teach and guide newer generations.

This policy has been a great success, as the less strict preliminary Sect program draws new talent from even the furthest flung isles as well as the more discerning individuals from the south. By expanding the pool of applicants and providing guidance from within the House, much prosperity has been brought to the shore of the Isle.

Enrollment:
The Somnolent Seas Sect seeks to make enrollment as simple and accessible as possible. In the first week of each year, the Sect opens its testing locations and accepts all comers, entrance tests are six hours in length and are held twice daily during the testing week. Examinees are graded by the three members of the House selected to perform testing in that year. Those in the top ten percentile of grades are accepted into the Sect at no cost, paid for by the Duke Xu. Those in the twentieth and thirtieth percentile are allowed to join so long as tuition is paid. Tuition fees may be defrayed by a contract of service to the Xuan clan, to be paid upon graduation.

For those who score lower they may attempt the test again in a year's time. In addition, to remain in compliance with the Imperial decrees, the Sect offers talented students of disadvantaged backgrounds a thorough pre Sect program, funded by the Duke. Graduates of this program may choose to take the Sect Exam between the ages of sixteen and eighteen. If they have not completed the exam by their eighteenth year, their enrollment in the program ends.

Careers:
Member of the House of the Sleeping Serpent:
Working directly at the behest of Duke Xu and the Xuan clan, in one of the most complete libraries in the empire is naturally the highest prize to be sought by those attending the Somnolent Seas Sect.

Ship Navigator: With the creation of the Imperial Navy and the expansion of the xuan escort fleets, many lucrative positions have opened requiring skilled navigators who know the stars and winds as well as their own bodies

Natural Philosopher: A counterpart to priests and priestesses, the natural philosopher studies the world and its spirits and seeks to come to an understanding for how and why they behave as they do, and in doing forge agreements more advantageous to both parties. Many courts are beginning to adopt such individuals as court philosophers.

Prominent Sect Members:

The youth of the current organization has not allowed any truly prominent individuals to yet come to the fore, however, among the House, many such individuals, such as Grandmaster Wu, Grandmistress Lei, Grandmaster Song, Medicine Saint Hou, and even the Sword Saint Fong have arisen.

Each one is a legend in their field and a credit to the institution which gave them what they required to achieve their heights.
 
Is it just me, or do a lot of these sect promotonals seem more academic than Ling Qi's experience at the Argent Sect provides?

Not just this last one - the others as well. They talk about courses in this and that, whereas the only courses Qi got in the Outer Sect were Spiritual and Physical Cultivation 101.
 
Is it just me, or do a lot of these sect promotonals seem more academic than Ling Qi's experience at the Argent Sect provides?

Not just this last one - the others as well. They talk about courses in this and that, whereas the only courses Qi got in the Outer Sect were Spiritual and Physical Cultivation 101.
Different origins, different reputations. Most of these Great Sects were formed around existing institutions because Mu An was looking for places to set up Great Sects, but Argent Peak was made a Great Sect because a bunch of dudes beat Ogodei. As such, Argent Peak doesn't really have a specialty beyond "producing awesome cultivators".
 
Is it just me, or do a lot of these sect promotonals seem more academic than Ling Qi's experience at the Argent Sect provides?

Not just this last one - the others as well. They talk about courses in this and that, whereas the only courses Qi got in the Outer Sect were Spiritual and Physical Cultivation 101.
Argent Sect is a poly sci/ football college, i think, with a decent STEM department by proxy funding?

Everything else is juliard or MIT
 
Yep, Argent is relatively new, being founded by Yuan after he and his buddies killed Ogdei, and it's explicitly part of the Empire's defense against Barbarians (it's right up against the Wall). This latest sect revealed is built between the halves of one of the oldest Ancestors, there is virtually no external threat to be found here.

Argent Sect is a poly sci/ football college, i think, with a decent STEM department by proxy funding?
I'd say it's closer to West point, but the President's daughter is attending this semester.
 
Maybe it's just me but this sect stands out for being...
Arrogant, but like the kind of arrogant where they can back up their boasts. Like they DON'T shill for funding or sound like they're hungry for applicants even- while in THEORY they don't have much prestige from their students and whatnot I suspect all those Grandmasters and the strict testing requirements says to me that they've plenty of applicants, and are respected enough to claim the cream of the crop- an advantage they've leveraged to STAY as elitist as they've been throughout the ages.
 
Couple things to remember:

Ling Qi's Outer Sect experience was very much abnormal. Her year was explicitly handled differently from prior years due to all the political meddling and Duchess Cai tests and all that. I don't know whether prior years would have had all that much more in the way of courses and education, but the Elders certainly would have been more hands on.

When most of these other sects are talking about large offerings of courses and learning, they're talking about their equivalent to the Argent's Inner Sect - often also called an Inner Sect. It seems like the Somnolent Seas' corollary to the Argent's Outer Sect is their 'pre Sect program', different in that it caters only to the disadvantaged, instead of all the new disciples, but still a similar concept as far as I can tell.

And finally LQ's experience in Argent's Inner Sect has been pretty severely colored by the Sect's war footing. So her Inner Sect experience has been anomalous as well. I believe it's safe to assume that a standard Argent Inner Sect experience is much more academic than LQ's has been.
 
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The Argent Sect's mission statement is in many ways "defend the wall" imo.

Like, the amount of ES's southern defenses that are focused on the Argent Sect should not be underestimated. They could probably take both Blue Mountain and Rushing Cloud *and* thd Wang and Jia at the same time.
 
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Yep, Argent is relatively new, being founded by Yuan after he and his buddies killed Ogdei, and it's explicitly part of the Empire's defense against Barbarians (it's right up against the Wall). This latest sect revealed is built between the halves of one of the oldest Ancestors, there is virtually no external threat to be found here.


I'd say it's closer to West point, but the President's daughter is attending this semester.
yeah but i remember how varied their forces were when the duchess forces showed up and my mind switch sect from army to ragtag bunch of heroes
 
yeah but i remember how varied their forces were when the duchess forces showed up and my mind switch sect from army to ragtag bunch of heroes
They have to train the province full of weirdos and still let them keep their family styles so at the officer level where most are nobles are at it's gonna be varied. Probably more uniform at the rank and file and those who mustang up from those into the officer corps
 
yeah but i remember how varied their forces were when the duchess forces showed up and my mind switch sect from army to ragtag bunch of heroes

The Sect welcoming party was made up of Core Disciples, who are following their own Ways. In fact, following my West Point analogy, the Argent Sect isn't trying to create foot soldiers, they're trying to create powerful officers. Those who are still in the outer sect after graduation will likely become part of the actual army.
 
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