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Was trying to approval vote, but I'll edit it down then.
There Was A Different Idea: An MCU Producer Quest
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Was trying to approval vote, but I'll edit it down then.
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[X] Plan: Reshoot one more time then release
-[X] [Reshoot] Reshoot to improve a roll.
--[X] Reroll what result? (Vladimir Kulick's Screen Pressence, if this somehow rolls less than 30, take the 30 screen pressence stuff)
---[X] [Reshoot] No reshoot. Greenlight to release.
----[X] [Reshoot] When: November 5
-[X] [Reshoot] Reshoot to improve a roll.
--[X] Reroll what result? (Vladimir Kulick's Screen Pressence, if this somehow rolls less than 30, take the 30 screen pressence stuff)
---[X] [Reshoot] No reshoot. Greenlight to release.
----[X] [Reshoot] When: November 5
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[X] Plan: Reshoot one more time then release
-[X] [Reshoot] Reshoot to improve a roll.
--[X] Reroll what result? (Vladimir Kulick's Screen Pressence, if this somehow rolls less than 30, take the 30 screen pressence stuff)
---[X] [Reshoot] No reshoot. Greenlight to release.
----[X] [Reshoot] When: November 5
-[X] [Reshoot] Reshoot to improve a roll.
--[X] Reroll what result? (Vladimir Kulick's Screen Pressence, if this somehow rolls less than 30, take the 30 screen pressence stuff)
---[X] [Reshoot] No reshoot. Greenlight to release.
----[X] [Reshoot] When: November 5
StarSerpent
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Big movies that came out in Nov '09–
2012 (Nov 12)
Twilight (Nov 19)
Both of those had a Box Office of 800m+. Below that are:
Disney's A Christmas Carol (Nov 6)
The Blind Side (Nov 20)
The Princess and the Frog (Nov 25)
Which made 300m+ at the Box Office.
My criteria for release dates would be that we do so nearer to a weekend – Thursdays or Fridays. That means Nov 5/6, 12/13, 19/20, and 26/27.
Calendar here
The clear 'threat' to a blockbuster like Thor would be 2012 or Twilight (this was the 2nd Twilight movie, before everyone really started to hate the series).
So either Nov 5/6, or Nov 26/27 are the 'safe' dates.
Alternatively, we can play chicken and set it for Nov 12 or 19 to, ah, steal their thunder.
[X] [Reshoot] No reshoot. Greenlight to release.
- [X] [Reshoot] When: October 23rd
I like Nov 5, so I'm gonna go with Marlin's plan.
[X] Plan: Reshoot one more time then release
-[X] [Reshoot] Reshoot to improve a roll.
--[X] Reroll what result? (Vladimir Kulick's Screen Pressence, if this somehow rolls less than 30, take the 30 screen pressence stuff)
---[X] [Reshoot] No reshoot. Greenlight to release.
----[X] [Reshoot] When: November 5
2012 (Nov 12)
Twilight (Nov 19)
Both of those had a Box Office of 800m+. Below that are:
Disney's A Christmas Carol (Nov 6)
The Blind Side (Nov 20)
The Princess and the Frog (Nov 25)
Which made 300m+ at the Box Office.
My criteria for release dates would be that we do so nearer to a weekend – Thursdays or Fridays. That means Nov 5/6, 12/13, 19/20, and 26/27.
Calendar here
The clear 'threat' to a blockbuster like Thor would be 2012 or Twilight (this was the 2nd Twilight movie, before everyone really started to hate the series).
So either Nov 5/6, or Nov 26/27 are the 'safe' dates.
Alternatively, we can play chicken and set it for Nov 12 or 19 to, ah, steal their thunder.
[X] [Reshoot] No reshoot. Greenlight to release.
- [X] [Reshoot] When: October 23rd
[X] Plan: Reshoot one more time then release
-[X] [Reshoot] Reshoot to improve a roll.
--[X] Reroll what result? (Vladimir Kulick's Screen Pressence, if this somehow rolls less than 30, take the 30 screen pressence stuff)
---[X] [Reshoot] No reshoot. Greenlight to release.
----[X] [Reshoot] When: November 5
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[X] Plan: Reshoot one more time then release
-[X] [Reshoot] Reshoot to improve a roll.
--[X] Reroll what result? (Vladimir Kulick's Screen Pressence, if this somehow rolls less than 30, take the 30 screen pressence stuff)
---[X] [Reshoot] No reshoot. Greenlight to release.
----[X] [Reshoot] When: November 5
-[X] [Reshoot] Reshoot to improve a roll.
--[X] Reroll what result? (Vladimir Kulick's Screen Pressence, if this somehow rolls less than 30, take the 30 screen pressence stuff)
---[X] [Reshoot] No reshoot. Greenlight to release.
----[X] [Reshoot] When: November 5
StarSerpent
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(IF you're involved with the film industry, feel free to correct any misinterpretations that I've made)
TLDR, I summarize which months are good for releasing and suggest strategies for this Quest regarding release dates.
If 3 films and aiming to capture blockbuster status – 1 in late Apr/early May, 1 in late June/early July, and 1 in Nov-Dec.
If 4 films with intent to capture Blockbuster status – ^same as above, but add 1 in late Oct/early Nov, or 1 in June.
Alternative strategy, put the 4th one in 'dump months' – 1 in either Feb or August, plus (1 in late Apr/early May, 1 in late June/early July, and 1 in Nov-Dec)
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With regard to box offices and movie release dates in the US (presumably this applies for the rest of the Anglo world and the West to some extent):
Conventional wisdom says that blockbuster hits get released during the Summer (May-July) and in Nov-Dec.
'Bad' months for movie releases are referred to as dump months, which are Jan-Feb and Aug-Sept respectively.
March, April and October are considered decent but not particularly excellent, although Oct is probably good for horror films(?).
Assuming we're targeting 3 releases annually (like the MCU in most years OTL), we could release a film in late April/early May, another near the later half of July, and one more during November-December. That would be hitting all the blockbuster beats*.
If we're gonna aim for a 4th release, then one option is adding another release in Nov-Dec (one in late Oct/early Nov, one in Dec). Another option would be a February/March release – so Feb/Mar + the 3 'standard release dates' (see *)
It's also important to note that the conventional wisdom on dump months can be flipped on its head – Black Panther, for instance, had basically zero competition when it was released in February (it also coincided with black history month, so it's not just the MCU factor). The MCU actually has a history of winning big in dump months – Guardians for example released in an August, and Shang-chi in a September.
If we can establish a reputation for good MCU consistency, then releasing dump months become an advantage, since we'll be able to hoover up the box offices during those periods – all the competition will just be assumed by the general public to be dog shit or meh in quality.
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The second Box Office consideration is China – pre-2021, the Marvel movies seem to have been capable of getting approved of screening. The only months in China that were informally banned for foreign films were Jan-Feb (Spring festival, which is when a lot of domestic hits get released) – so if we're gonna pursue a February release date, make it late February, so we can line it up for China in March.
**While we're on the topic of China, I'd also like to note that we should under no circumstances play the pandering game. Chinese audiences watch foreign films because they're foreign – if they wanted to see something Chinese, their domestic industry already provides that. Chinese influences are a-okay, but pandering will bite us in the ass (see how live-action Mulan got thrashed by Chinese audiences, despite all the pandering Disney tried to fit in).
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Specific to release days, Fridays are the most popular days for releasing films (because people generally have weekends off).
Thursday release is also an interesting idea, if we think a movie will knock it out of the park – early viewers will spread the hype since our competition will presumably release on Fridays (if applicable and we share the same release weekend).
TLDR, I summarize which months are good for releasing and suggest strategies for this Quest regarding release dates.
If 3 films and aiming to capture blockbuster status – 1 in late Apr/early May, 1 in late June/early July, and 1 in Nov-Dec.
If 4 films with intent to capture Blockbuster status – ^same as above, but add 1 in late Oct/early Nov, or 1 in June.
Alternative strategy, put the 4th one in 'dump months' – 1 in either Feb or August, plus (1 in late Apr/early May, 1 in late June/early July, and 1 in Nov-Dec)
---
With regard to box offices and movie release dates in the US (presumably this applies for the rest of the Anglo world and the West to some extent):
Conventional wisdom says that blockbuster hits get released during the Summer (May-July) and in Nov-Dec.
'Bad' months for movie releases are referred to as dump months, which are Jan-Feb and Aug-Sept respectively.
March, April and October are considered decent but not particularly excellent, although Oct is probably good for horror films(?).
Assuming we're targeting 3 releases annually (like the MCU in most years OTL), we could release a film in late April/early May, another near the later half of July, and one more during November-December. That would be hitting all the blockbuster beats*.
If we're gonna aim for a 4th release, then one option is adding another release in Nov-Dec (one in late Oct/early Nov, one in Dec). Another option would be a February/March release – so Feb/Mar + the 3 'standard release dates' (see *)
It's also important to note that the conventional wisdom on dump months can be flipped on its head – Black Panther, for instance, had basically zero competition when it was released in February (it also coincided with black history month, so it's not just the MCU factor). The MCU actually has a history of winning big in dump months – Guardians for example released in an August, and Shang-chi in a September.
If we can establish a reputation for good MCU consistency, then releasing dump months become an advantage, since we'll be able to hoover up the box offices during those periods – all the competition will just be assumed by the general public to be dog shit or meh in quality.
---
The second Box Office consideration is China – pre-2021, the Marvel movies seem to have been capable of getting approved of screening. The only months in China that were informally banned for foreign films were Jan-Feb (Spring festival, which is when a lot of domestic hits get released) – so if we're gonna pursue a February release date, make it late February, so we can line it up for China in March.
**While we're on the topic of China, I'd also like to note that we should under no circumstances play the pandering game. Chinese audiences watch foreign films because they're foreign – if they wanted to see something Chinese, their domestic industry already provides that. Chinese influences are a-okay, but pandering will bite us in the ass (see how live-action Mulan got thrashed by Chinese audiences, despite all the pandering Disney tried to fit in).
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Specific to release days, Fridays are the most popular days for releasing films (because people generally have weekends off).
Thursday release is also an interesting idea, if we think a movie will knock it out of the park – early viewers will spread the hype since our competition will presumably release on Fridays (if applicable and we share the same release weekend).
Duke William of
I really need to finish my quests. :V
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[X] Plan: Reshoot one more time then release
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[X] Plan: Vladimir Kullick
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Also, I would like to point out that Jason Momoa has a better screen presence than RDJ.
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[X] [Reshoot] No reshoot. Greenlight to release.
- [X] [Reshoot] When: October 23rd
- [X] [Reshoot] When: October 23rd
overmind
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Hey guys, I think i need to explain the options a bit.
So, I'm sorry to say, the current winning vote is not allowed. Also, a movie usually plays for about a month before it's pulled out, sometimes it lasts longer if it's popular enough, but it usually follows that rule. It can be pulled earlier if it suffers from a sudden decrease in popularity (say, if another movie draws attention from it) which would hurt the profit.
Just something to think about.
These are pretty self-explanatory. You select one of the rolls to re-roll, or add an intense focus to increase the number.
This opttion kinda goes with the ones above. If you have an idea for a scene, or want to change an element in the story, then this is the option for it. You are also allowed 3 of these.
This option is separated from the others, as in if you select this then you can't select the other options.
Same as above, this options can't be taken with others.
So, I'm sorry to say, the current winning vote is not allowed. Also, a movie usually plays for about a month before it's pulled out, sometimes it lasts longer if it's popular enough, but it usually follows that rule. It can be pulled earlier if it suffers from a sudden decrease in popularity (say, if another movie draws attention from it) which would hurt the profit.
Just something to think about.
Duke William of
I really need to finish my quests. :V
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[X] Plan: Vladimir Kullick
Duke William of
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We're currently in 2009, my friend, I doubt we're gonna be releasing Thor anytime near 2012.
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[X] Plan: Vladimir Kullick
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Why are we spending so much additional effort on a minor character, when we have an otherwise excellent movie, releasing the movie sooner will make the Executives happy and I'm of the opinion we should just cut our losses with this Heimdall and recast them for the sequel. We do not need every single part of the movie perfect for it to succeed, in fact I really believe we're harming ourselves by not releasing this movie in October, Wan has crafted horror elements into the movie but not ones so scary that we'll push parents away from bringing their kids, its perfect for October and the threatening movies are those in November.
Its noble to want to release the best possible movie we can, but we can't just constantly be redefining everything, we have to cut our losses if we are trying to make the most money and the most successful cinematic universe. Heimdall isn't that important we can and should just accept they are not great but let the rest of our movie speak for our ability.
Its noble to want to release the best possible movie we can, but we can't just constantly be redefining everything, we have to cut our losses if we are trying to make the most money and the most successful cinematic universe. Heimdall isn't that important we can and should just accept they are not great but let the rest of our movie speak for our ability.
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[X] [Reshoot] No reshoot. Greenlight to release.
- [X] [Reshoot] When: October 23rd
Edit: After reading over @ComiTurtle's post, I've been convinced to switch. Although, I'm personally divided over recasting Kulich.
- [X] [Reshoot] When: October 23rd
Edit: After reading over @ComiTurtle's post, I've been convinced to switch. Although, I'm personally divided over recasting Kulich.
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Very fair, I'm sort of looking at it like a producer, this actor has cost us more money on this product than they individually will be making and their role isn't so central to the story that it harms everything else.
Reshoots cost money and movies being pushed back can harm our revenue as consumers grow wary of a movie that is being pushed back for more and more reshoots.
The recasting of the role is sort of the nuclear option, but I do expect it will be floated past us in game when we look towards Thor 2.