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There Was A Different Idea: An MCU Producer Quest

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[X] [Pitch] Don't use Stahelski and Leitch's Pitch; you have other ideas that can be used.
- [X] [Pitch] Clint Barton is an agent of SHIELD sent on a mission to retrieve SHIELD information stolen by a mysterious figure. This quest sends near around the world to the city of Madripoor where he will face the Black Widow herself, as well as his former mentor: Jacques Duquesne. (King crimson's Pitch)
 
[X] [Pitch] Don't use Stahelski and Leitch's Pitch; you have other ideas that can be used.
- [X] [Pitch] Clint Barton is an agent of SHIELD sent on a mission to retrieve SHIELD information stolen by a mysterious figure. This quest sends near around the world to the city of Madripoor where he will face the Black Widow herself, as well as his former mentor: Jacques Duquesne. (King crimson's Pitch)
 
[X] [Pitch] Don't use Stahelski and Leitch's Pitch; you have other ideas that can be used.
- [X] [Pitch] Clint Barton is an agent of SHIELD sent on a mission to retrieve SHIELD information stolen by a mysterious figure. This quest sends near around the world to the city of Madripoorwhere he will face the Black Widow herself, as well as his former mentor: Jacques Duquesne. (King crimson's Pitch)
 
So some questions/thoughts on the Hawkeye pitch if we do go with my version.
  1. Do we want to work Janet Van Dyne and Hank Pym into a cameo role in this film? I think the most logical section to potentially include them is here
    King crimson said:
    He arrives at that base and informs the people of what might be happening and that they need to be on guard. He talks with someone about what the swordsman might be looking for but is utterly unable to narrow it down.
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    or here
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    He gets a tour of the facilities and informs Phil of what he's learned.
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    as these are points in the film that naturally leave room to at least introduce characters even if it likely would give them very little characterization.
  2. Additionally what post-credits scene's do we want to have? I think if we have the Janet and Hank cameo then a post-credits scene of Hawkeye talking to Janet about whether or not she and Hank would be attending the Stark Expo would work (it could also work without giving them a cameo in the movie itself but then they need to cameo in Iron Man 2). Alternatively a cameo of Coulson and Fury discussing "the Avengers initiative" might work for this movie if we want to show off Hank and Janet somewhere else.
  3. I think the hardest casting for this is Black Widow as the actress needs to be capable of action, moral ambiguity, pull off manipulation and be capable of making Black Widow difficult for the audience to read her motivations but not her behaviors. It's really tricky stuff and so I'm curious about potential castings. People have any thoughts?
  4. I know that it was floated that we might want to have the villain die in this movie. I think the simplest way to accomplish this if we want it to happen is to have Black Widow shoot and kill the downed Swordsman. It would obviously need to be censored heavily if we want it to fly past ratings boards and it might require a little rewriting of the final confrontation between Widow and Hawkeye in order to work but it is possible. Do people want to try and do this stuff or do we want to leave it as is?
  5. Any thoughts on the Stan Lee cameo? I think having him as a background SHIELD agent or in the crowd of criminals bidding on the index in Madripoor (even if that's a little more villainous than Stan Lee cameos are usually implied to be) are the two most natural places for him to appear.
 
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King crimson said:
Any thoughts on the Stan Lee cameo? I think having him as a background SHIELD agent or in the crowd of criminals bidding on the index in Madripoor (even if that's a little more villainous than Stan Lee cameos are usually implied to be) are the two most natural places for him to appear.
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Street food vendor in Madripoor.

Edit: We definitely want to establish Madripoor as a setting by showing and not just telling if we're setting it up for the location of Nefaria's future Kingdom.
 
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King crimson said:
Any thoughts on the Stan Lee cameo? I think having him as a background SHIELD agent or in the crowd of criminals bidding on the index in Madripoor (even if that's a little more villainous than Stan Lee cameos are usually implied to be) are the two most natural places for him to appear.
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I like the auction cameo better. It just seems more likely someone as old as Stan would be at an illegal auction rather than be a still-active SHIELD agent.

Also, for some reason, I want Jean Reno as Swordsman.
 
[X] [Pitch] Don't use Stahelski and Leitch's Pitch; you have other ideas that can be used.
- [X] [Pitch] Clint Barton is an Agent of SHIELD who is sent on a dangerous mission against Leviathan, an organization opposing SHIELD. In this he's accompanied by fellow Agent Bobbi Morse as they deal with the deadly Black Widows, agents trained since birth to follow orders, and their leader: Natasha Romanoff.
 
Richard Madden as Eric Williams, with Hayden Christensen as his brother, Simon Williams, a.k.a. Wonder Man.



Edit: They look like literal twins.
 
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[X] [Pitch] Don't use Stahelski and Leitch's Pitch; you have other ideas that can be used.
- [x] [Pitch] Clint Barton is an Agent of SHIELD who is sent on a dangerous mission against Leviathan, an organization opposing SHIELD. In this he's accompanied by fellow Agent Bobbi Morse as they deal with the deadly Black Widows, agents trained since birth to follow orders, and their leader: Natasha Romanoff.

I like the Madripore pitch, but figure having a token different vote. Mostly, I like having a ongoing secondary character for the film for Hawkeye to interact with, and give him more chance to be hawk-guy and not just Hawkeye.
 
[X] [Pitch] Don't use Stahelski and Leitch's Pitch; you have other ideas that can be used.
- [X] [Pitch] Clint Barton is an agent of SHIELD sent on a mission to retrieve SHIELD information stolen by a mysterious figure. This quest sends near around the world to the city of Madripoorwhere he will face the Black Widow herself, as well as his former mentor: Jacques Duquesne. (King crimson's Pitch)
 
JustGazzer said:
hey so Hawkeye is deaf.

Should we lean on that?
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Because comics are weird it's more accurate to say that Hawkeye is "sometimes deaf" (if I remember right he lost his hearing in a fight with Crossfire, got it back because of Franklin Richards, got stabbed in the ears by a clown and then got his deafness cured again and then lost his hearing yet again and it was only at that point that it was cemented in modern comics that he's deaf).

The iconic Matt Fraction comic run that cemented Hawkeye as an actually deaf character occurred in 2014 which is five years ahead of this movie's creation and before that point Hawkeye has more or less been functionally not deaf at all.

I don't think it's something we should heavily lean on for this movie especially because at this point in time deafness was not something integral to Hawkeye's character. I think having Hawkeye lose his hearing in a big fight in an Avengers movie or something and then growing to deal with it is probably the better way to handle the character if we want to explore Hawkeye's deafness.

Edit: For comparison Barbara Gordon, the first Batgirl, has been in a wheelchair longer and more consistently than Hawkeye has been deaf. In both cases neither character started off this way as compared to say Daredevil who is almost always blind throughout the entirety of his history. With Hawkeye in this specific case it would probably be a bit weird to make him deaf and play into that heavily because that's not an important element of the character up until 2014, 5 years after this movie gets made and it has nothing to do with who he is as a baseline (Hawkeye was not born deaf).
 
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Do people think that now's a good time to begin cameoing in the movies? Like, for me, it would be a Where's Waldo situation where viewers could try to find Miller in the crowd.
 
Duke William of said:
Do people think that now's a good time to begin cameoing in the movies? Like, for me, it would be a Where's Waldo situation where viewers could try to find Miller in the crowd.
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I mean we could but I don't suddenly see people caring about a Miller cameo that starts in Hawkeye of all places. I personally think the ideal time period would be in like Avengers or something where his name has become a much bigger deal.
 
I'm coming up with a mid-credits scene for Iron Man 2, but I can't seem to figure out what would work. I would sorely appreciate any ideas y'all could give me.

Feed me those brainstorming foods!
 
Duke William of said:
I'm coming up with a mid-credits scene for Iron Man 2, but I can't seem to figure out what would work. I would sorely appreciate any ideas y'all could give me.

Feed me those brainstorming foods!
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I mean the easy angle I see would be to name drop the Avengers somehow or mention "the Avengers initiative". Something along those lines I think would be best.

Edit: It's admittedly not much but I think just having Coulson definitively bring in Tony Stark as "a consultant" would be a good way to go about this conclusion. Maybe tease Howard's connections with the group as well? I don't know if this has been at all helpful
 
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Duke William of said:
That was already done in the first Iron Man movie, unfortunately. d: I'm thinking something related to Captain America.
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I mean not really. What we've got in the first Iron Man movie is Nick Fury showing up at Tony's house and telling him there's a much bigger world out there. What I meant to suggest is something more along the lines of Nick Fury just out and out putting the Avengers initiative in front of Tony and getting him somewhat on board with it. I personally think it's fine even if it is arguably a little samey

Additionally I think that the post credits scene is going to be dependent on what comes before it. Like if we decide not to have a bit of Wasp setup in the Hawkeye credits then we probably should do it in Iron Man 2. I don't think we need to get to Captain America teasing unless we've got everything else lined up before it.
 
King crimson said:
I mean not really. What we've got in the first Iron Man movie is Nick Fury showing up at Tony's house and telling him there's a much bigger world out there. What I meant to suggest is something more along the lines of Nick Fury just out and out putting the Avengers initiative in front of Tony and getting him somewhat on board with it. I personally think it's fine even if it is arguably a little samey

Additionally I think that the post credits scene is going to be dependent on what comes before it. Like if we decide not to have a bit of Wasp setup in the Hawkeye credits then we probably should do it in Iron Man 2. I don't think we need to get to Captain America teasing unless we've got everything else lined up before it.
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Ah, got ya. I'll save my fully revised version of the pitch until we figure out Hawkeye and Thor.

Edit: Then again, what Overmind said.
 
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So this is more just to help get the brain-juices flowing but I thought I could toss out a list of lesser known villains for people so that we could potentially write a movie with a very different antagonist than what came before/in the OTL. A lot of these characters are admittedly probably best saved for television only but I do think at least discussing them is worthwhile in and of itself. The list is organized by hero they'd potentially oppose.

Captain America
  • Diamondback: A member of the Serpent Society as well as the much cheesier named group BAD Girls (BAD apparently stands for Black Mamba, Asp, Diamondback), Diamondback is a sometimes villain, sometimes love interest for Captain America but their almost always at odds with one another to some degree or another. Diamondback has got no powers but she is often part of a team of some kind, and her skills in martial arts and of throwing various "diamonds" does give her a somewhat unique skillset to work with.
  • Aleksander Lukin: The man initially behind the Winter Soldier plot in the comics who also shared a body with the Red Skull for a time. He was loosely adapted into Alexander Pierce by the OTL MCU but I feel the character of Lukin is still obscure amd could be done wildly differently
  • Porcupine: A man who designed weapons for the US military who felt cheated by them and decided to get rich using his armored battlesuit to commit crimes. He almost certainly needs a design overhaul but he could work as a twisted mirror to Tony Stark if we want to really set up the potential Civil War fight later on down the line. There's also a mutant version if we get the rights to using mutants and we could cheat and make him an Inhuman if we want to.
  • Baron Blood: A British vampire transformed by Dracula himself who goes on to ally with the Nazi's during WW2. Probably could be toned down a bit but he's a wildly out there Captain America villain and one who is very much an outside context problem for what Captain America usually goes up against. I do think he's tricky to place in a movie because of how he warps themes radically but he is a fun character.
  • Americop: A former police officer turned ruthless, murderous vigilante. A lot of the time Captain America is fighting authoritarian villains but Americop and the much more well known Flagsmasher take on the opposite side of the spectrum of foes Captain America fights. I think the name almost certainly needs to change and as a villain he's topical and political as all get out but it is worth potentially considering him or someone like him.
  • Cutthroat: Diamondback's brother and a costumed crook with ties to the Red Skull and various groups like him. Unlike the more recognizable Crossbones Cutthroat has not made a huge media appearance but if we do something involving Diamondback, he suddenly becomes a lot more interesting to explore. I think there's a really neat dynamic potentially of both of the siblings not being great people but Cutthroat being worse because he's more "idealistic" in some sense.
  • Sin: The daughter of the Red Skull. Some of the more out there elements like her getting aged into adulthood by a high-tech device probably need to be dropped but if we want to continue things with the Red Skull she's an option we have. In fact an interesting option we can have is have her become a present day "Red Skull" putting on a costume to pretend to be her father resurrected from the dead to get back at Captain America. There's a lot that can be done with her but she's almost certainly going to be heavily affected by what we choose to do with Red Skull.
  • Sleepers: The Sleepers are five robots who were secret Nazi doomsday devices designed to activate after a set amount of time has been passed. They're probably the most malleable Captain America threat out there and they can be easily repurposed so long as their basic premise of lying dormant for a massive amount of time only to come awake when a certain number of conditions is triggered remains.
Iron Man
  • Arsenal: A killer robot created by Howard Stark as a potential last resort that eventually went rogue and required Iron Man to stop it. If we want a movie very centered on Howard, this might be the villain to go with. Alternatively it might be interesting to include Arsenal in side material of this MCU
  • Blizzard: Either an employee fired from Stark Industries due to stealing from Tony or a criminal given a cryonic suit by someone else to act as an enforcer who's somewhat of a bumbling doofus. I think he'd be a neat side villain in other material and I like the guy but his powerset is kind of one where DC has us solidly beat. Not saying we can't have cryokinetics but it's hard to do Blizzard without coming off as a poor man's Captain Cold or Mister Freeze.
  • Living Laser: A guy made out of energy who really hates Tony Stark. Again not something we ought to use for an Iron Man movie on its own but I think he can easily be retooled to be a pseudo-Wonder Man villain. Heck I think there is room for a "Living Laser" as one of Nefaria's test subjects on perfecting the Ionic energy process but it might be too much. He's neat and he slices into a lot of stuff conceptually though
  • Unicorn: He's a little goofy and his name is not one I take super seriously but he's basically a Russian super-soldier attempt with a laser horn who sometimes wears powered armor. He's goofy and fun and I think he might make for an interesting Maggia minion if we make his "horn" an offshoot of the arc reactor/ionic tech.
  • Chemistro: Chemistro is a guy who made a gun that can basically transmute substances into other substances. The thing I remember him best for is accidentally transmuting his foot into steel and crippling himself that way and dying horribly in the Earth's Mightiest Heroes cartoon. His tech probably needs to be toned down and we probably need to transplant him into someone else's rogues gallery but he's a fun opponent with a different powerset. Plus if we want to use Paste Pot Pete/Trapster then Chemistro is the logical character to blend the two together into.
  • Sunset Bain: Tony Stark's ex who lacks any sort of powers but instead acts as a weapons dealer to supervillains. I have no specific role in mind for her but I do think she's a nice classic corporate Iron Man villain with unique connection to Tony. I think her name ought to be tossed around if we want an evil CEO for a company supplying supervillains but we don't want to use Hammer for.
  • Controller: Control freak who mind controls others. In some versions of the character he was fired from Stark Enterprises for his research being too unethical for them to touch it. He might be fun to bring in and act as an enemy although no one storyline particularly stands out as exemplary to me. Still if anyone's got a killer mind control story they want to tell he might be the guy to act as antagonist in that story
  • Melter: The guy used to be a bigger player but he's not really anymore. Still the name is cool and the fire/melting based powerset is fun and I think he could act as an interesting side villain in a piece of ancillary media. He doesn't have what it takes to dominate the big screen but he is a lot of fun to play around with and craft fight scenes for. He's generally a competitor of Stark's who failed and now wants revenge but his backstory isn't exactly unique or interesting.
  • Technovore: So if you want another outside context crazy monster, the Technovore is that. It's generally been depicted as a semi-coherent swarm of nanites that devours technology and then incorporates it into an amalgam body. I love this thing and while it is admittedly lacking in personality it's a freaky creepy animalistic antagonist that turns a lot of the usual conflicts on its head. It can't carry a movie on its own but its got spectacle and style to spare and if we want to go with an AI villain of some stripe we can have their endgoal be to take control of the Technovore or something along those lines
Thor
  • Fafnir: Fafnir is pretty much just a play on the mythological Fafnir. I didn't want to just fill this list with lesser known one offs but Fafnir's kind of emblematic of entities like the Midgard Serpent and Surtr and Ymir. If they're in Norse mythology they or some variation of them like with Skadi has shown up in Marvel comics at some point or another. There's enough to explore here to make a tv show on its own but they are generally good to keep in the back of your mind
  • Ulik: The strongest and fiercest of all the trolls and a traditional enemy of Asgard. The man has Uru metal knuckle dusters and if there has been a plot to somehow disarm or kill Thor Ulik has probably been a part of it at some point or another. Most impressive of his feats (in my opinion) was the time he exploited magic given to him by Karnilla to retroactively make himself a Thor equivalent without most people being any wiser for it. There's a fun story there to be written and I think he'd make a great sleeper pick for a villain
  • Mangog: Mangog's name and design bely just how metal the character actually is. Mangog is the sum total of the hatred of "a billion billion" (1 times 10^1,000,000,000) beings imprisoned beneath Asgard that seeks to end the universe out of its hate for everything in existence. It's a really cool final threat and while its power needs to probably be toned down, if we want to do a "sins of Asgard" story I think Mangog is the villain for it.
  • Titania: Super strong lady who got her powers from Dr. Doom and proceeded to eventually marry Absorbing Man. I don't find her particularly deep or engaging but she's got a solid relationship with Carl, she can be spun into a lot of different rogues galleries and she's generally a lot of fun to play around with even if nothing about her sticks out to me as compelling for a lead villain.
  • Enchanters Three: A group of non-Asgardian sorcerers who aren't in anyway tied to a specific realm but who want to conquer Asgard. They potentially make a fun parallel to the Warriors Three although the comics haven't really done that
  • Sigyn/Angroboda: Loki's wife and sometimes the mother of his children. Sigyn is generally portrayed more positively while Angroboda is generally portrayed more negatively. Depending on where we want to go with Loki this amalgamated character might make a very interesting Thor villain.
Hulk
  • Flux: An attempt at recreating the Hulk by General Ryker that ultimately proved unstable and died. If we want a one off gamma villain for something that isn't important we can give them Flux's name and appearance.
  • Gremlin: Probably should be an Iron Man villain but he fights the Hulk. Gremlin is a Russian man with dwarfism who pilots a modified Titanium Man armor suit and battles the Hulk. There are a whole bunch of alterations we can and probably should make to the character but he is a solid option for a more tech based villain or for a crossover between Iron Man and Hulk stuff.
  • Madman: Did you know that the Leader had a brother? Madman is the Leader's brother. His gamma transformation gave him multiple personality disorder and made him act psychotic and gave him super strength as well as size and density alteration powers. He also went on to work with the Red Skull. Madman's got a powerset that probably needs tweaking to make work just right but he's go interesting connections and I think he's a lot of fun to potentially explore. I do think his origin probably needs some tweaking but I can see him being a lot of fun in either a sequel or in side material.
  • Grey Gargoyle: French thief whose touch turns things to stone. Not the most exciting personality or motivation wise but he is different and might be fun to play around with and try to get to work.
  • Tyrannus: A Roman emperor defeated by King Arthur and forced underground where he conquered a race called the Tyrannoids and drank from a fountain of youth. Now wants to conquer the world and has fought the hulk multiple times. His origin almost certainly needs some tweaking to be a little more focused but he could be a lot of fun and he's also functional as a sort of pseudo-Mole Man if we want that.
  • High Evolutionary: A mad scientist obsessed with uplifting and perfecting living things. I'm simplifying a lot with him but his status as Marvel's Dr. Moreau gives him a lot of leeway and naturally leads him into a good number of potential Hulk storylines.
Hawkeye
  • Crossfire: So I think it's fair to say straight up that I took six of the most iconic potential Hawkeye villains (Circus of Crime, Black Widow, Swordsman, Trickshot, Taskmaster and Bullseye) off the table as being too well known or involved in another pitch or better used as someone else's rogues. Crossfire earned seventh place on the recognizable Hawkeye villain list but that doesn't make him bad. He's an evil cyborg who uses a lot of guns and the guy who made Hawkeye lose his hearing the first time around in the comics. He is ex-CIA which could easily be tweaked to ex-SHIELD or something but he's generally a solid villain. He lacks a personal element inherent to him but that doesn't necessarily make him bad as a character.
  • Bombshell: An explosives expert who has consistently shown up in various villain teams and has decent hand to hand fighting skills. She needs a personality and motivation overhaul to be really interesting but she's not bad and because she's such a blank slate you can wind up doing a lot with her.
  • Oddball: A criminal juggler who took on Hawkeye. His skillset can be tweaked and he can probably be reinvented into a sort of discount Bullseye if we want to. I'm not especially fond of doing so as I find the idea of a criminal juggler hilarious but it is an option we have on the table.
Wonder Man
  • Black Talon: A different supervillain sharing the same supervillain name as Brother Voodoo's brother revived Wonder Man and used him as a zombie. He should probably be syncretized with the other Black Talon but he is an option on the table.
  • Goliath: Originally called Power Man (he later changed it after getting flattened by the other Marvel Power Man), he's a guy who underwent an ionic energy treatment to get the same powers as Simon Williams though he ended up with less due to things not being calibrated for him. Another deal with the Maggia later and he gained some size changing powers. He's someone who could work as a villain if we absolutely must give Wonder Man a dedicated sequel but I don't feel confident in his ability to carry a movie on his own and his name and powers probably need a bit of changing up.
Ant-Man/Wasp
  • Dragonfly: Was mutated by Count Nefaria as one of his Ani-Men and then later gained further mutations that Hank Pym went on to cure. She's a flying bug lady and just a decently interesting minion to throw around even if her personal arc probably isn't the most interesting.
  • Goliath: Goliath will probably be the only character mentioned twice because multiple characters have used the name and so depending on what elements we want to keep he is also functionally a good Ant-Man/Wasp villain
  • Hijacker: A fun villain who uses technology gimmicks and steals tech to then sell to other people. Not a lot of depth to the character but he's fun enough and we could come up with something creative using this character.
  • Mitchell Carson: If we want to go with a rogue SHIELD agent trying to take Hank's stuff, Mitch is probably our best bet. I believe he did technically make a brief MCU appearance in the very first Ant-Man movie but if he was, it was so minor he wasn't even focused on to any meaningful degree. I think he could be a fun villain in his own right especially considering how he attempted to get his own Ant-Man suit at times.
Black Panther
  • King Cadaver: Despite having been a fairly big part of the character's history and a long running foe, King Cadaver is just obscure enough that he counts for this list. King Cadaver is a gamma mutate who gained psychic powers and a corpse like appearance and wants to take over Wakanda. A bit simplistic and lacking in depth but that's not bad per se and he easily transfers over to a lot of other settings if we want him to.
  • Achebe: Achebe is also really iconic and a massive part of the Christopher Priest run on Black Panther. Achebe is often described as Marvel's answer to the Joker, he's a man who had one bad day and ended up selling his soul to Mephisto and now just lives to spread fear and terror and misery wherever he goes. He's also completely batshit insane to the point where he talks to a hand puppet fairly regularly. He could be a really interesting and dark antagonist but he's probably one of the hardest villains to pull off well and not come off poorly so he's a tricky balancing act.
  • Sekhmet: Sekhmet's not really a villain and not one I'm interested in using personally but if we go with the Panther Goddess being Bast and want to explore that Sekhmet has appeared in an antagonistic role opposing her
  • Carnivore: Discount villainous Wolverine who's fought Black Panther before. Probably not going to carry a movie by himself but might be fun to see regardless
  • Hate Monger: Hate Monger is a mess of a character. From what I can tell he only joined Black Panther's rogues gallery relatively recently but he's always been on the peripheral as he's been a long time Fantastic Four villain. Sometimes he's the psychic clone of Hitler, sometimes he's just a racist asshole but consistently Hate Monger's goal has been to "racially purify the world" in some way shape or form and generally uses some degree of mind control to achieve this. There's an obvious temptation to use him to set up a fairly obvious "racism is bad" storyline but because of what he does and how he somewhat takes the onus off of people for being racist he's probably not someone we want to touch without heavy consideration and potentially a good number of adjustments to make sure he works properly.
Dr. Strange
  • Silver Dagger: Originally a priest, Silver Dagger read the Darkhold and went insane, becoming a zealous criminal who was convinced that he needed to kill all other magic users for they were an affront to god. He's completely insane and hypocritical but it's primarily because reading the Darkhold broke him. I think he'd make a fantastic villain to any magic user and he sets up the Darkhold incredibly well and makes it scarier even if it's not central to his plans.
  • Nightmare: Really any of the Fear Lords work. Big incomprehensibly monstrous psychic/magical entities that feed on fear. They don't have deep motivations most of the time but the plots involving them are generally more there to let characters traverse the realm of dreams/each others dreams so they don't need to be particularly deep to work
  • Satannish: Satannish is a powerful Satan-like demon. Sometimes he's Daimon Hellstrom and Satanna's dad. He's a fun demon to mess around with and could be a different way of setting up individuals like the Hood without having Dormammu be behind everything. Plus he's good for getting in those hero crossovers if you want them.
  • Kaluu: Kaluu is a lot of fun and I would like to use him in some way shape or form. Kaluu is a fellow student of the Ancient One who worked with him to create a magical utopia. Eventually he met with the first vampire from whom he learned the secrets of the Darkhold. He then went crazy and tried to mind control everyone but was eventually beaten back. Dr. Strange then fought him a few times and for reasons I do not understand Marvel decided to make him a hero who wants nothing more than to live a quiet life after making millions playing the stock market. Naturally I think that the twist of making him into a hero isn't really interesting or well deserved but I think he could be absolutely fantastic as a Dr. Strange villain. He's the Ancient One's Mordo and that's a fun potential dynamic to explore.
Daredevil
We probably don't have the rights to any of these characters yet but if the Daredevil stuff reverts back to us as has been previously suggested then we will get to use them later.
  • Blackwing: Blackwing is Silvermane's son who sometimes uses bats to commit crimes. Now there is the easy Batman jokes to crack but I think that the characters value lies more in the fact that he potentially lets us use a stand-in of sorts for Silvermane. Blackwing isn't really a Spiderman villain as far as I know and so I think he could fill in as a son in a criminal organization taking over for his father.
  • Death's Head: Death's Head is Karen Page's father who decided to become a supervillain for reasons that I don't really remember. Could be interesting to explore but I'm not sure.
  • Mr. Fear: Basically Marvel's answer to the Scarecrow. I think he's just fun to include and stick in the mix of any potential tv show
  • Alexander Bont: Alexander Bont is the Kingpin of Crime before Wilson Fisk. Daredevil shut him down and Matt Murdock refused to defend him. Eventually though Alexander Bont gets out and desires revenge. He's not necessary at all but I think he might be interesting
  • Jester: I love Jester as a concept. Wholeheartedly I think he's great and while I don't think he can carry a movie or even be a central antagonist, I think he's just a lot of fun. Jester is basically a guy who was hypercompetent at a whole bunch of stuff except for acting. He of course decides he wants to be an actor. He obsessively studies everything but acting, convinced he has more raw acting talent than anyone else, and continues to fail. As such he eventually snaps and decides to become a supervillain to get back at people. I think Jester's a ton of fun and while he's probably not fit for a more serious series I think if a show needs a more lighthearted villain he could be great. Like I remember someone proposed a Great Lakes Avengers show and if we go with that or something similar in tone to that, I think Jester is absolutely fantastic as a villain.
 
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