King crimson
Confusion Will Be My Epitaph
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So I'll give my thoughts on things.
I really do not want the Maggia to play a big part in this movie. Having them be behind everything kind of isn't interesting in my opinion. I don't want three whole movies of "the Maggia is a secret mastermind". I'd rather go with an option that keeps them in and name drops them rather than try to set them up as a big bad and give them a reveal. I personally like "[] [Maggia] Accept but reduce the impact. The Maggia is considered a small threat and is used as a red herring." as it sets them up and it doesn't reduce the amount of shady stuff SHIELD is doing.
I don't have strong feelings on the Jacques stuff. I do want to make him a former agent and have the first fight between him and Hawkeye but I think this is the cleanest choice for that "[ ] [Duquesne] Jacques Duquesne is a former SHIELD agent who mentored Barton in the past. He uses his former clearance to get the Index and it works for long enough for him to escape."
As for the identity thing I think keeping him as Swordsman works best meaning that this option "[] [Identity] He will be known as "Swordsman" until the identity reveal later in the movie." is best.
As for Black Widow the whole point of how she was written in my pitch was to make it difficult for audiences to trust her so that when she ultimately lands on the side of the heroes it feels more impactful and we can see her as the scary individual she was before she became a full fledged hero. "[ ] [Black Widow] Black Widow is a free agent acting on her own behalf. Unknown to Clint she has been hired by SHIELD to aid him, no matter what she has to do in order to recover the Index." is the only viable option in my opinion that doesn't radically alter how we'd use Black Widow going forward.
I personally think no more antagonists are needed but if the directors really want another one I think having Silencer act as a throwaway antagonist mook is a good way to go about it. It's the best choice in my opinion. As such my plan would look something like this:
[X] Plan Focused Film
-[X] [Maggia] Accept but reduce the impact. The Maggia is considered a small threat and is used as a red herring.
-[X] [Duquesne] Jacques Duquesne is a former SHIELD agent who mentored Barton in the past. He uses his former clearance to get the Index and it works for long enough for him to escape.
-[X] [Identity] He will be known as "Swordsman" until the identity reveal later in the movie.
-[X] [Black Widow] Black Widow is a free agent acting on her own behalf. Unknown to Clint she has been hired by SHIELD to aid him, no matter what she has to do in order to recover the Index.
-[X] [Number] One more aside from Jacques should be enough.
-[X] [Antagonists] The Silencer, or Dean Helm as you'd have to call it, is a mercenary who was killed in its first appearance. He could show more of him this time around.
I personally do not want to have the Maggia take center stage as antagonists in this film. They've already got the next two films to build them up and this is a story that should focus primarily on SHIELD first and foremost. If Plan Threading the Compromise Needle changes that element to not have the Maggia be a poorly executed twist villain I'd be fine voting for it but as is I cannot vote for it. Making the Maggia be revealed as "the real antagonists all along" is cheap lazy twist villain writing and not something I think we ought to try and do.
Edit: Having the Maggia be the ones behind the events of the film completely undoes the twist at the end that SHIELD is technically the people responsible for how things played out. I think making the alteration significantly weakens it and I'd rather they just be a red herring and a name that gets tossed out so that when they start showing up in the next few movies they can actually be impressive and do stuff to show why they're on SHIELD's list of enemies.
I really do not want the Maggia to play a big part in this movie. Having them be behind everything kind of isn't interesting in my opinion. I don't want three whole movies of "the Maggia is a secret mastermind". I'd rather go with an option that keeps them in and name drops them rather than try to set them up as a big bad and give them a reveal. I personally like "[] [Maggia] Accept but reduce the impact. The Maggia is considered a small threat and is used as a red herring." as it sets them up and it doesn't reduce the amount of shady stuff SHIELD is doing.
I don't have strong feelings on the Jacques stuff. I do want to make him a former agent and have the first fight between him and Hawkeye but I think this is the cleanest choice for that "[ ] [Duquesne] Jacques Duquesne is a former SHIELD agent who mentored Barton in the past. He uses his former clearance to get the Index and it works for long enough for him to escape."
As for the identity thing I think keeping him as Swordsman works best meaning that this option "[] [Identity] He will be known as "Swordsman" until the identity reveal later in the movie." is best.
As for Black Widow the whole point of how she was written in my pitch was to make it difficult for audiences to trust her so that when she ultimately lands on the side of the heroes it feels more impactful and we can see her as the scary individual she was before she became a full fledged hero. "[ ] [Black Widow] Black Widow is a free agent acting on her own behalf. Unknown to Clint she has been hired by SHIELD to aid him, no matter what she has to do in order to recover the Index." is the only viable option in my opinion that doesn't radically alter how we'd use Black Widow going forward.
I personally think no more antagonists are needed but if the directors really want another one I think having Silencer act as a throwaway antagonist mook is a good way to go about it. It's the best choice in my opinion. As such my plan would look something like this:
[X] Plan Focused Film
-[X] [Maggia] Accept but reduce the impact. The Maggia is considered a small threat and is used as a red herring.
-[X] [Duquesne] Jacques Duquesne is a former SHIELD agent who mentored Barton in the past. He uses his former clearance to get the Index and it works for long enough for him to escape.
-[X] [Identity] He will be known as "Swordsman" until the identity reveal later in the movie.
-[X] [Black Widow] Black Widow is a free agent acting on her own behalf. Unknown to Clint she has been hired by SHIELD to aid him, no matter what she has to do in order to recover the Index.
-[X] [Number] One more aside from Jacques should be enough.
-[X] [Antagonists] The Silencer, or Dean Helm as you'd have to call it, is a mercenary who was killed in its first appearance. He could show more of him this time around.
I personally do not want to have the Maggia take center stage as antagonists in this film. They've already got the next two films to build them up and this is a story that should focus primarily on SHIELD first and foremost. If Plan Threading the Compromise Needle changes that element to not have the Maggia be a poorly executed twist villain I'd be fine voting for it but as is I cannot vote for it. Making the Maggia be revealed as "the real antagonists all along" is cheap lazy twist villain writing and not something I think we ought to try and do.
Edit: Having the Maggia be the ones behind the events of the film completely undoes the twist at the end that SHIELD is technically the people responsible for how things played out. I think making the alteration significantly weakens it and I'd rather they just be a red herring and a name that gets tossed out so that when they start showing up in the next few movies they can actually be impressive and do stuff to show why they're on SHIELD's list of enemies.
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